From nordmark-request Thu Dec 1 17:44:08 1994 Return-Path: bronia@ca.sunet.se Received: from decnet.sunet.se (decnet.sunet.se [192.36.125.5]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06415 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:44:08 +0100 From: bronia@ca.sunet.se Received: from CA.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by decnet.sunet.se (5.57/2.01) id AA29605; Thu, 1 Dec 94 17:42:03 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 17:42:03 +0100 Message-Id: <9412011642.AA29605@decnet.sunet.se> To: "nordmark@ludd.luth.se"@kth.sunet.se Subject: Janna, hoer av dig!!! Status: RO Hejsan alla paa prathoegen och Lady Catrin speciellt. Jag hade inte din privata adress saa jag skickar mailet till NML istaellet. Jag skulle bli glad om du kunde hoera av dig till mig angaaende musik- och danshelgen. Min adress aer: Bronia@chemstud.kth.se Tel: 08/689 70 35 Ha det saa bra! Haelsn. Bronia From nordmark-request Fri Dec 2 02:57:47 1994 Return-Path: unicorn@csd.uu.se Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA29824 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 02:57:47 +0100 Received: (from unicorn@localhost) by meryl.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA28821; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 02:57:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 02:57:36 +0100 From: Vicki Schalin Message-Id: <199412020157.CAA28821@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: duvslaget@csd.uu.se, nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se, monika@csd.uu.se Subject: Celsiusm{ssan i Uppsala Status: RO (Till er som inte bor i n{rheten av Uppsala ber jag om urs{kt i f|rv{g) * * * * * * * * * Celsiusm{ssan 1994 * * * * * * * * * REKLAM TILL HANTVERKSINTRESSERADE I UPPSALA MED OMNEJD I helgen intr{ffar }rets julmarknad p} Celsiusskolan, den k{nda Celsiusm{ssan d{r hantverkare fr}n Uppsala och trakterna h{romkring s{ljer sina alster och visar upp sitt hantverk. Mat i olika former finns ocks} till salu, b}de att {ta d{r och att ta hem till julbordet. M{ssan brukar h}lla h|g kvalitet och {r v{l v{rd ett bes|k, b}de f|r den som vill handla vackra och handgjorda jul- klappar och den som s|ker n}got extra till sig sj{lv. V{lkomna! Plats: Celsiusskolan i Uppsala, h|rnet E4 - Hjalmar Brantingsgatan - Bj|rkgatan Tid: l|rdag 3:e och s|ndag 4: december, kl 10 - 16 b{gge dagarna. Intr{de: 35 kronor (PS: Jag s{ljer (som vanligt) mina smycken i silver, sten och andra material. Medeltidsinspirerade och moderna smycken. V{lkomna till mitt bord!!!) * * * * * * * * * Celsiusm{ssan 1994 * * * * * * * * * avs: Vicki Schalin/Unicorn Craft (SCA: Deirdre ni Bheirne) (V{verskan) From nordmark-request Mon Dec 5 13:54:55 1994 Return-Path: bronia@link.sunet.se Received: from decnet.sunet.se ([192.36.125.5]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA24584 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:54:54 +0100 From: bronia@link.sunet.se Received: from LINK.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by decnet.sunet.se (5.57/2.01) id AA11764; Mon, 5 Dec 94 13:54:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 13:54:30 +0100 Message-Id: <9412051254.AA11764@decnet.sunet.se> To: "Nordmark@ludd.luth.se"@kth.sunet.se Subject: Musik- och danshelg III Status: RO MUSIK- OCH DANSHELG III Nu boerjar det dra ihop sig infoer Musik- och danshelgen som gaar av stapeln foer tredje aaret i rad. Datumet aer 3-5 februari 1995 och platsen aer liksom foerra aaret Fyrisskolan pe Goetg. 17-21 i Uppsala. Evenemanget kommer att boerja paa fredagskvaellen daa platsen oeppnar kl.19.00 och avslutas paa soendagen kl.17.00. Kursverksamheten kommer att vara indelad i fyra tretimmarspass, tvaa paa loerdagen och tvaa paa soendagen med paus foer lunch emellan. Paa loerdagskvaellen har vi fest med massor av mat, musik och dans och det finns moejlighet att oevernatta paa skolan baada naetterna. Som ni ser har ni faatt med en anmaelningsblankett och ett schema oever helgens kurser i den haer annonsen och mao aer det dags att anmaela sig nu och det goer man dels skriftligen till mig pe naemnda anmaelningsblankett och dels genom betala in pengar pe SKA-Nordmarks postgiro 340 700-4 senast den 16 januari 1995. Paa anmaelningsblanketten aer det taenkt att man ska fylla i vilka kurser man vill gaa paa. Obligatorisk foeranmaelan (=ifylld anmaelningsblankett) kraevs dock bara till de avancerade kurserna eftersom kursmaterialet till dem kommer att skickas ut i foervaeg. Anmaelan till B- och C-kurser aer inte bindande och man behoever inte bestaemma sig foerraen daer och daa vilka kurser man vill vara med paa, men det underlaettar ju sjaelvklart foer oss autokrater om alla skickar in anmaelningsblanketter. Observera att man aendaa maaste skicka in en skriftlig anmaelan. Alla i tid anmaelda kommer att faa en skriftlig bekraeftelse med schema och vaegbeskrivning. Jag dr glad om ni som anmaeler er via email undviker skandinaviska tecken. Kostnader fvr helgen: (finns aeven pe anmaelningsblanketten) Anmaelningsavgift (kurser & lokal) 85:-, Feorseningsavgift (Efter 16/1) 50:- Fest med mat 80:-, Fest utan mat 10:-, Lunch 30:-/st, Frukost 15:-/st OEvernattning 20:-/natt Liksom foerra aaret kommer det att finnas kurser av olika svaarighetsgrader och sjaelvklart aer det man sjaelv som avgoer hur bra man aer. Dessutom kan man alltid delta pe de mest avancerade kurserna som passiv aaskaadare om man inte anser sig vara tillraeckligt bra. Vi kommer i aar att ha tre erfarna matokrater i Vanna, Eibhlin och Camille (Kristina Rudbjer, AAsa Kumlin och Ulla Andersson) som kommer att goera saavael festmat som luncher och frukostar. Alla fraagor har ett svar! (naestan) Underar du oever naagot saa tveka inte att hoera av dig till naagon av nedan staaende autokrater. Missa inte denna unika chans att faa foerkovra dig i de skoena konsterna! Vaelkomna oenskar Fru Bronia och Fru Tora Huvudautokrat: Fru Bronia Maansdotter Horn c/o Susanne Graeslund, Terapiv. 16C, 4tr 141 56 Huddinge, 08/689 70 35, email: Bronia@Chemstud.kth.se Medautokrat: Fru Tora Adilsdotter Od c/o Anna Frimodig, Sagov. 9, 175 70 Jaerfaella, 08/583 582 30, fax samma nr. paa kontorstid Evenemanget sponsras av Nordmark SCHEMA OEVER MUSIK- OCH DANSHELG III OBS!!! Saelgfloejtstillverkningen som utannonserats tidigare i Sparren har utgaatt pga att instruktoeren har faatt foerhinder. LOERDAG kl 10-13 SAL 1: Ensemblesaang med Blanzeflor (B/A) SAL 2: Musikverkstad med Nick McCugan (C) SAL 3: Danskurs med Lady Catrin Jehana Gwynystlum (C) kl 14-17 SAL 1: Solosaang med Blanzeflor (A) SAL 2: Instrumentalspel med Per AAberg (C,F) SAL 3: Kontradans m. 1600-talstekniker, Fru Fioruisce of Avalon (B) SAL 4: Ev. extra danskurs (C) SOENDAG kl 10-13 SAL 1: Kulning med Fru Vimia Valivansdotter (C,F) SAL 2: Musikverkstad med Per AAberg (B) SAL 3: Danskurs med Sir Geoffrey Mathias (A) SAL 4: Jonglering med Martin Brunnkvist & Fru Bronia (C) kl 14-17 SAL 1: Gregoriansk saang med Fru Tora Adilsdotter Od (C,F) SAL 2: Instrumentalspel med Per AAberg (A) SAL 3: Danskurs med Lady Celemon o Gwynedd (B) SAL 4: Jonglering och andra gycklerier med Martin Brunnkvist (B/C) A=avancerad, B=naagra foerkunskaper, C=nyboerjare, F=foeredrag Observera att svaarighetsgraderna bara aer riktmaerken! Lunchpaus varje dag kl 13-14. ANMAELNINGSBLANKETT till musik- och danshelgen i Aros 3-5 februari 1995 SCA-namn: Mundant namn: Adress: Tel. dagtid: tel. kvaellstid: Jag spelar foeljande instrument: Jag sjunger i roestlaeget: Jag vill gaa foeljande kurser: (se schemat) Loerdag fm: em: Soendag fm: em: Jag betalar foljande: Anm. avgift (obligatorisk): 85:- Foerseningsavgift (efter 16/1, 50:-): ____ OEvernattning (20:-/st): ____ Frukost (15:-/st): ____ Lunch (30:-/st): ____ Fest med mat (80:-): ____ Fest utan mat (10:-): ____ Summa: ____ Jag anlaender ca: OEvrigt du vill att vi ska veta: SKICKA ANMAELAN TILL: Bronia@chemstud.kth.se Snail-mail: Susanne Graeslund, Terapiv. 16C, 4tr, 141 56 Huddinge From nordmark-request Tue Dec 6 09:15:08 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04837 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 09:15:07 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA10688; Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:17:00 +0100 Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 09:16:54 +0100 Message-Id: <941206.091654.55624@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Date: 05 Dec 94 15:03:27 EST >From: Martin & Mary Hickey <100040.134@compuserve.com> >Subject: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > >Hi Folks, I thought that I would pass this news on. Please let folks >you corresponde with know as well. Thanks - Wulfhere. > >-------- Forwarded Message -------- > >FROM: Emily Epstein, INTERNET:epsteine@spot.Colorado.EDU >TO: Martin & Mary Hickey, 100040,134 >DATE: 12/04/94 at 22:34 >SUBJECT: +Postage Due+VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > > > A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message >with the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT. Delete immediately or your >disk will require treatment by a virus-scanner. I have had two >copies of this message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned >by an early morning phone call from a friend who got hit. > >******************************************************************************* >Germaine Warkentin >warkent@epas.utoronto.ca >English, Victoria College, University of Toronto >******************************************************************************* > From nordmark-request Tue Dec 6 12:43:28 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA08863 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:43:27 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14129 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:43:25 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA27864; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:43:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:43:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199412061143.MAA27864@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se CC: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <941206.091654.55624@macpost.lu.se> (Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se) Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) From: Status: RO Problemet med virusvarningen {r att den inte s{ger n}nting om vilken sorts virus det {r. De allra flesta virus funkar bara p} en viss maskinvara eller ett visst operativsystem. Att skicka ett virus som brev via Internet (?) torde d{rf|r endast drabba dem som har just denna sorts dator. Allts} kan jag inte veta om varningen g{ller mig. William From nordmark-request Wed Dec 7 08:59:07 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA19997 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:59:04 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA06417 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:57:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:57:06 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199412070757.AA06417@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Internetvirus Status: RO Mottog nyss detta via n{tet: >Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:38:27 -0800 (PST) >From: "Flieg Hollander" >Subject: RE: VIRUS ALERT (fwd) > >>> A virus is circulating on the Internet. If you receive a message >>> with the header "xxx-1" DO NOT READ IT. Delete immediately or your >>> disk will require treatment by a virus-scanner. I have had two >>> copies of this message this morning (Sunday) already, but was warned >>> by an early morning phone call from a friend who got hit. > > Just talked to my sysadmin -- this is a hoax. There is no such virus. >Not that there couldn't be, but in this case there isn't. > >Just for your information > > * * * Frederick of Holland, MSCA, OP, etc. > *** *** *** flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu > _|___|___|_ > |===========| > (((Flieg Hollander, Chem. Dept., U.C. Berkeley))) > ================== Old Used Duke ================= > [All subjects of the Crown are equal under its protection > and no Corporation is going to convince me otherwise.] S} var det med det! SvenN From nordmark-request Wed Dec 7 22:19:48 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA26548 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:19:47 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA18100 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:19:46 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA09748; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:19:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:19:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199412072119.WAA09748@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: waiver From: Status: RO Fr}ga: Jag sitter och ska betala medlemskap i SCA f|r 1995. M}ste man skriva under den l{skiga waivern? Kan man betala f|r 2 }r samtidigt? William From nordmark-request Wed Dec 7 23:49:07 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from skynet.ludd.luth.se (skynet.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.6]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA27029 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:49:06 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by skynet.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA03201 for nordmark; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:49:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199412072249.XAA03201@skynet.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: waiver To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:49:02 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199412072119.WAA09748@groucho.csd.uu.se> from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Dec 7, 94 10:19:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1038 Status: RO > > Fr}ga: > > Jag sitter och ska betala medlemskap i SCA f|r 1995. > > M}ste man skriva under den l{skiga waivern? Nej. Jag skulle inte r}da n}n att g|ra det... > > Kan man betala f|r 2 }r samtidigt? Det vet jag inte, synd att jag inte t{nkt p} det n{r jag betalade. :-) > > William > /Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* | *) (* Lord Styrbj|rn Halte | L. J|rgen /hman *) (* Canton of Frostheim | Ludd Computer Club *) (* Barony of Nordmark | University of Lule} *) (* Kingdom of Drachenwald | E-mail: *) (* | xordph@ludd.luth.se *) (* Vert, in pale a | Snail-mail: *) (* crescent inverted | K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* and a Thor's | 97754 Lule} *) (* hammer or. | Sweden *) (* | Telephone: *) (* This divide dream and reality -----> | +46-920 11637 *) (* | *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Thu Dec 8 00:24:09 1994 Return-Path: ERA.ERAAINA@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA27231 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:24:07 +0100 From: ERA.ERAAINA@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from eds05.ericsson.se (eds05.ericsson.se [136.225.9.2]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.9/1.0) with ESMTP id AAA29886 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:24:05 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HKDQNK1A289CKZG4@eds.ericsson.se>; Thu, 08 Dec 1994 00:25:24 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:25:16 +100 MR-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Thu, 08 Dec 1994 00:25:16 +0100 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 00:24:00 +0100 Subject: Medlemsskap To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-id: <"3xNPquUF 30OtePM*"@MHS> X-Envelope-to: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE UA-content-id: 3xNPquUF 30OtePM X400-MTS-identifier: [;61520080214991/414494@EDS] Hop-count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAAINA 08-757 3505 94-12-08 00.24 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET Hejsan! Eftersom lady Isobel inte har E-mail och det kanske dr=F6jer en stund innan denna f=F6rfr=E5gan n=E5r henne (hon =E4r ny registrator sedan decembernumret av Silversparren) s=E5 tar jag mig friheten att svara. Waivern =E4r "valfri", ingen m=E5ste skriva p=E5 den f=F6r att bli accepterad som medlem i SCA, Inc. G=F6r som ditt samvete och omst=E4ndigheterna bjuder dig. Det d=E4r med tv=E5 =E5r =E4r en bra fr=E5ga som jag inte kan svara p= =E5 rakt av. Man kan ju alltid testa men jag v=E5gar inte svara p=E5 vad som h=E4nder....upplysande i kvadrat =E4r jag r=E4dd! Tyv=E4rr f=E5r registratorn s=E4llan n=E5gon feed back p=E5 om ett me= dlem- skapsans=F6kan har fungerat. Responsen kommer mest om det blir fel. Fr=E5gan =E4r om n=E5gon p=E5 n=E4tet under senaste =E5ret betalt f= =F6r tv=E5 =E5r och f=E5tt sitt medlemsskap per tv=E5 =E5r. Den som besitter informa- tionen f=E5r g=E4rna svara, det =E4r som sagt en intressant fr=E5ga o= ch testa kan man ju alltid g=F6ra.... M V H Heloise From nordmark-request Thu Dec 8 08:29:54 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00945 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:29:52 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA09822 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:27:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:27:59 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199412080727.AA09822@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: medlemskap iSCA,inc. Status: RO Hej, Frithiof haer. Nej, man maaste inte skriva under waivern paa blanketten. Vad som haender om man laater bli aer bara att man faar ett vitt medlemskort i staellet foer ett blaatt. Nej, det gaar inte att betala foer tvaa aar, det finns ingen ruta foer det paa blanketten. (Jag foernyade mitt medlemskap foer ett paar maanader sedan, och daa tog jag reda paa detta.) From nordmark-request Thu Dec 8 09:27:39 1994 Return-Path: xordph Received: from father.ludd.luth.se.ludd (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01232 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:27:39 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Message-Id: <199412080827.JAA01232@zed.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: medlemskap iSCA,inc. To: nordmark Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:27:33 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199412080727.AA09822@akka.kemi.uu.se> from "Sven Noren" at Dec 8, 94 08:27:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1223 Status: RO > > Hej, Frithiof haer. > > Nej, man maaste inte skriva under waivern paa blanketten. > Vad som haender om man laater bli aer bara att man faar > ett vitt medlemskort i staellet foer ett blaatt. Det {r inte s} s{kert. Jag skrev inte under waivern men fick ett bl}tt medlemskort {nd}. > > Nej, det gaar inte att betala foer tvaa aar, det finns > ingen ruta foer det paa blanketten. > > (Jag foernyade mitt medlemskap foer ett paar maanader sedan, > och daa tog jag reda paa detta.) > (***************************************************************************) (* | *) (* Lord Styrbj|rn Halte | L. J|rgen /hman *) (* Canton of Frostheim | Ludd Computer Club *) (* Barony of Nordmark | University of Lule} *) (* Kingdom of Drachenwald | E-mail: *) (* | xordph@ludd.luth.se *) (* Vert, in pale a | Snail-mail: *) (* crescent inverted | K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* and a Thor's | 97754 Lule} *) (* hammer or. | Sweden *) (* | Telephone: *) (* This divide dream and reality -----> | +46-920 11637 *) (* | *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Thu Dec 8 12:42:32 1994 Return-Path: bronia@link.sunet.se Received: from decnet.sunet.se ([192.36.125.5]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02349 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:42:31 +0100 From: bronia@link.sunet.se Received: from LINK.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by decnet.sunet.se (5.57/2.01) id AA25635; Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:42:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 94 12:42:24 +0100 Message-Id: <9412081142.AA25635@decnet.sunet.se> To: "Nordmark@ludd.luth.se"@kth.sunet.se Subject: Musik- och danshelgen Status: RO Hejsan alla! Bronia paa prathoegen. Jag fick decembersparren idag och upptaeckte daa lite fel i annonsen foer musik- och danshelgen. Om ni kaenner naagon som taenker aaka paa den saa kan ni vael vidarebefordra detta till dem. *Frukostarna kommer att kosta 15:-/st och inget annat. *Det aer Blanzeflor som haaller baade ensemblesaangen (B/A) och solosangen (A). Saelgfloejtstillverkningen som hon skulle ha haallit utgaar pga att hon har faatt foerhinder att vara med baada dagarna. Lite extra information som tillkommit sedan sparrens deadline: *Danskurs (C), Pavaneverkstaden, kommer att ledas av Lady Catrin Jehana Gwynystlum *Kulningskursen (C) kommer att ledas av Fru Vimia Valivansdotter I naemnda sparre fick vi dessutom veta att en avgift motsvarande $3 ska tas ut foer varje icke-SCAmedlem. Eftersom det haer evenemanget inte skulle ha gaatt att genomfoera utan mundan hjaelp ifraan fraemst Per AAberg (SKA-medlem!!!) och andra professionella instruktoerer som staeller upp ideellt saa kaenns det lite lumpet att deras mundana vaenner som kommer dit ska faa betala mer aen SCA-medlemmarna. Daerfoer kommer de tre dollarna att betalas med den vinst som vi foerhoppningsvis faar. Hur stor vinsten blir och om den blir ser man mycket tydligt innan evenemanget paa hur maanga anmaelningar som kommit in. Om vi ser att vi inte kommer att gaa med naagon naemnvaerd vinst kommer vi att arrangera en insamling under evenemanget foer att taecka kostnaden istaellet. Om naagon har naagot att invaenda mot ovanstaaende saa aer jag tacksam om ni hoer av er till mig. Har ni andra fraagor faar ni ocksaa gaerna hoera av er. Ett saadant haer evenemang har ju en ganska kraanglig organisation och jag skulle bli foervaanad om det inte finns naagon som inte har fattat allt.(Jag fattar knappt sjaelv ibland kaenns det som.) Ha det saa bra i vintermoerkret och ta er ton! Haelsningar fraan Bronia Reply to: Bronia@Chemstud.kth.se From nordmark-request Thu Dec 8 13:44:46 1994 Return-Path: jannis@sth.carta.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02721 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:44:46 +0100 From: jannis@sth.carta.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id NAA01184; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:46:09 +0100 Message-ID: <199412081246.NAA01184@mail.swip.net> Date: Thur, 8 Dec 1994 9:25 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Receipt-Requested-To: jannis@sth.carta.se Subject: Prenumeration pa mailing-listan, etc Status: RO Var hälsad! Jag skulle mycket gärna vilja prenumerera på Nordmarks mailingslista. Dessutom blir jag mycket glad och tacksam om det finns en möjlighet att ladda ner backlog, så att jag kan läsa ikapp mig om de diskussioner som funnits de senaste halvåret, (eller kanske mer?). Finns det något smidigt sätt att lösa detta? Jag skulle kunna ringa upp en BBS och downloada materialet t.ex. En annan fråga, finns det fler mailinglistor inom SCA. Vilka då? Så sant som det var skrivet, Petrc Monomachos aka Jannis Koukoutsas From nordmark-request Fri Dec 9 12:49:17 1994 Return-Path: morbro@norell.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA11566 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:49:16 +0100 From: morbro@norell.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id MAA24769; Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <199412091150.MAA24769@mail.swip.net> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:30 +0100 To: , nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: SV: waiver Status: RO ---------- Fr}n: Till: nordmark@ludd.luth.se; NORELL/NORELLMS/MORBRO Ang}ende: waiver Datum: den 8 december 1994 07.01 <> >Fr}ga: >Jag sitter och ska betala medlemskap i SCA f|r 1995. >M}ste man skriva under den l{skiga waivern? Nej....men isr{llet kan man tvingas att skriva under en separat waiver vid varje enskild SCA-tillst{llning (h{nder n{stan aldrig). >Kan man betala f|r 2 }r samtidigt? Ja, jag har alltid gjort det. Fungerar bra. Ciao Morgan// From nordmark-request Sat Dec 10 23:23:51 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA27246 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 23:23:51 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA28243 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 23:23:49 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA07277; Sat, 10 Dec 1994 23:23:48 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 23:23:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199412102223.XAA07277@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: kr|ning From: Status: RO M|jlighet till sam}kning finns: Jag }ker fr}n Link|ping till kr|ningen i Holmrike tidigt om morgonen den 7 januari, |vervarar festligheterna och forts{tter mot Uppsala sent om kv{llen. William de Corbie From nordmark-request Mon Dec 12 08:56:19 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA07284 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 08:56:17 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA00342 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 08:54:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 08:54:22 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199412120754.AA00342@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Julkort till BoD Status: RO Ett tips s} h{r i juletider, fr}n reformlistan: From: "Flieg Hollander" Subject: Wishlist for letter writers. (BoD Stuff-Long) Frederick J. Hollander (Memb. #09310) 3334 California Street Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-653-3652 4 December, 1994 To the people of the Known World, greetings: It's the Feast of St. Nicholas (more or less). It's time to think about sending the Board of Directors some presents. Here's my opinion of what you should be writing to the Board about. You may not agree with my stands on these issues, but they are up for consideration and they should be addressed. [This message has been sent to antir,sca-west,sca-caid, e5 and the Rialto. Forwarding to other listservers, BBS's, etc. and printout and circulation in hardcopy is not only permitted but encouraged. This is my forwarding to reform] 1) The non-member surcharge: This was put in last April as a "temporary measure" to get us past the "financial emergency". The Crowns agreed to it because they thought it was supposed to be implemented instead of the membership rate increase and the "pay to play" ruling. The rate increase stayed, as did the surcharge. In my mind at any rate, this is just a re-labeling of "pay to play". This policy is up for review at the January Meeting. The surcharge must go! It has not raised a lot of money, (only $15,000 in the first four months, including Pennsic). It is widely resented in several Kingdoms. (Notably the East, Drachenwald, the West and AnTir. Paradoxically, two of those Kingdoms are in the top three in reported revenues from the surcharge.) The collection is not related to costs. Non-members have not been the cause of any financial problems. As we have been discovering over time, the "financial emergency" in January was an imaginary one, a difference between predicted revenues and intended expenditures. What did not exist in January has really developed over the last six to nine months as the Board of Directors poured money heedlessly down one rat-hole or another. The board needs to return us to the openness of pre-January 1994 policies on membership and participation. The Board needs to be able to assure us that they will not be wasting our money again by establishing a solid fiscal policy with idependent review. Then the Board needs to _ask_ for help in alleviating the now-real financial emergency, not attempt to enforce it on the membership. 2) Institution of fiscal oversight: One of the things that the Board should do is institute outside fiscal oversight, preferably by the membership. This idea was brought up at the Board meeting in October, but it was a late item and the Board let the Treasurer talk them into accepting the idea that the Financial Committee could act as the Audit Committee. This is not acceptable. The Financial Committee is appointed by the Treasurer who is currently A.J. Riviezzo, a Board member; it cannot be expected to act as a watchdog as well. Its job should be planning and budget work. The Audit Committee should be independent and should act as a critic and governor on the fiscal policies of the Board and as reviewer of actual expenditures. It needs to be appointed independently and does not need to consist of fiscal wizards, just of commonsense people who can read numbers. The Board should be urged to 1) set up an independent Audit Committee, to report quarterly, and 2) separate the office of Treasurer from the Board of Directors. 3) Separation of all Officers of the Corporation from the Board of Directors: The Officers of the Corporation are defined in the By-Laws as the "...Executive Director, President, a Vice- President, a Treasurer, a Secretary, a Registrar, and such others as the Board may from time to time designate. The office of President shall be held by the Chairman of the Board of Directors." The Registrar and Executive Director are currently separate from the Board of Directors but currently all the other Offices are held by Board Members. There is no legal reason for this, although it is traditional in Corporations like the SCA, Inc. for the Chairman of the Board to hold the position of President. The Board should separate the Offices of Secretary, Treasurer and Vice-President permanently from the Board. This will act to increase the number of people involved in the decision making process and spread the workload. 4) End to Secrecy on the part of the Board: _All_ meetings should be open to the public, not just the formal quarterly meetings. This is especially true of the "Committee of the Whole" meetings (now called "Working Sessions"). If the city government of Berkeley and every other small town in America can do it, the SCA, Inc. can do it. The argument that Board members need informal time together is true but its application is false; they are talking all the time on the phone. If the working meeting is public it doesn't mean that it has to be formal. Even if the public can watch the discussions, knowing that there are no formal motions on the floor, the discussions can be as free and frank as they can be in private, and the publich will know that the chances of "secret deals" are much the less. The business of the SCA, Inc. should not be secret, most especially not the budget process. In addition, this openness must extend to new ventures in policy, allowing the membership an opportunity to comment on them. We were promised a resumption of Board Minutes. Policy on availability and costs for access to them should be a priority item at the January meeting. 5) Establishment of Accountability: The Grand Council is in the process of being set up as a Board Committee with a very vague madate. The Board should be urged to tell the Grand Council that any plans for re-organization of the SCA must include accountability of the Board of Directors to the membership. This item should be a priority and should not be limited by the current two-year plan for the Grand Council, but should be made a priority which could be discussed and implemented before any general reorganization of the SCA, Inc. There must be a mechanism by which the membership can remove members of the Board and oversee and veto the policies of the SCA, Inc. This mechanism must be one that can help preserve the rights of minority views as to the purpose and activities of the SCA as a whole. Not every Kingdom does things the same way, even while remaining clearly part of the SCA as a whole. This freedom must be preserved. You should copy all correspondence on this matter to the Grand Council through either your Kingdom representative or through the current Coordinator, Caroline Smith. The Directors can be reached by writing to them individually, or by writing to the Corporate office, which will duplicate your letter and send it to the various Directors. SCA, Inc.: Corporate Offices. P.O. Box 360789 Milpitas, CA, 95036-0789 Grand Council: Carol L. Smith 14713 Mill Spring Dr. Chesterfield, MO 63017-5654 Thank you for your attention: * * * Frederick of Holland, MSCA, OP, etc. *** *** *** flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu _|___|___|_ |===========| (((Flieg Hollander, Chem. Dept., U.C. Berkeley))) ================== Old Used Duke ================= [All subjects of the Crown are equal under its protection and no Corporation is going to convince me otherwise.] From nordmark-request Mon Dec 19 23:50:05 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA12667 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:50:04 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA00391; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:50:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 23:50:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199412192250.XAA00391@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: marknad From: Status: RO Vid kr|ningen i Holmrike den 7 januari kommer jag att s{lja en del saker. H{r {r en f|rvarning. Den som {r intresserad men inte kan komma till kr|ningen, kan kontakta mig. 1. Silversparren, gamla nummer. Tournaments Illuminated, gamla nummer. Gamla censusar, Known World Handbook, Fighter's Handbook, The Hammer, andra nyttiga beskriv- ningar och handledningar, slumpas bort f|r symboliska summor. 2. Tv} dryckesb{gare i gemensamt etui fr}n Maiden Mongolia. Praktiskt taget obegagnade. 200 kr. 3. Armb}gskoppar av st}l, 2 st f|r 200 kr. 4. Sv{rd. Museum Replicas (Del Tin), normandiskt. Med sammetskl{dd tr{skida och b{lte, nytt. 1500 kr. 5. Hj{lm av anglosaxisk typ, 2mm st}l i |verdelen, dekorerar med m{ssingsdetaljer, mycket snygg. Aldrig anv{nd i strid, nypris 2000 kr, s{ljes pga problem att f} plats med glas|gon, 1500 kr. 6. Godk{nd polearm, lite anv{nd, drygt 2 meter, h|gstbjudande dock ej under 200 kr. William de Corbie From nordmark-request Sat Dec 24 10:21:30 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA03119 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 10:21:29 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA21029 for nordmark; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 10:21:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199412240921.KAA21029@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: God jul & gott nytt }r ! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 10:21:16 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 190 Status: RO * *** ***** ******* ********* * * ------------------ GOD JUL ! & GOTT NYTT ]R ! ------------------ \nskar Styrbj|rn & Ingrid From nordmark-request Sat Dec 24 11:16:01 1994 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03196; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 11:16:00 +0100 Received: by ki.se id AA25868 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 11:17:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 11:17:53 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Re: Grod Hjul & Grott nytt H}r ! To: "L. J|rgen hman" Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: <199412240921.KAA21029@father.ludd.luth.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO On Sat, 24 Dec 1994, L. J|rgen hman wrote: God Jul och Gott Nytt ]r |nskar UlfR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud Oh, *practice*. I don=B4t mind=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se *practising*. So long as we Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 don=B4t have to do it for real... From nordmark-request Sat Dec 24 16:58:38 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA03701 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:58:37 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA13286; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:58:36 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:58:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199412241558.QAA13286@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: [vader@emil.csd.uu.se: Board decisions] From: Status: RO H{lsningar till alla fr}n William de Corbie. Jag skickar h{r ett ganska maffigt brev till prath|gen. Det inneh}ller en korrespondens mellan mig och BoDs ombudsman f|r Drachenwald. Jag tycker att saken har allm{nt intresse; det r|r fr}gan om f|rk{mpar i furstetorneringar. ------- Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:42:52 +0100 To: eilis@haas.berkeley.edu CC: vader@csd.uu.se Subject: Board decisions From: Greetings from William de Corbie! I have been told that you are the Board ombudsman for Drachenwald, hence this letter. Recently, someone posted a report from a Board meeting, which reached me via Internet. One point was a decision, apparently made by the chairman or some other official, to the effect that "using champions in Crown tournaments is against Corpora". I have been active in Drachenwald for 10 years, and have watched the "native European" branches grow. It began with Nordmark, today we are getting more and more non-Americans over here, as you are no doubt aware. In my experience, most of these people have joined the SCA, *not* because they met the Society and fell in love with it, but because they were looking for a way to play the middle ages. They already had a lot of knowledge about the middle ages, and a medieval dream. They joined the SCA because they hoped it would provide a forum for making these dreams come true. There are serious cultural differences between America and Europe; I would love to write a 10-page treatise on this from the point of view of sociology and religion but shall refrain from burdening you with such material, even though I myself find it fascinating. What it all boils down to is, that most of the people I talk to over here find some faults with the SCA as it is today. Not as in "morally wrong" but as in "not the way we want it". Chief among the complaints is the focus on sports, i.e. fighting. To us, it is hard to accept that there is no way to reach the throne if you are not a fighter, or the girlfriend of one. This results in the usual discussion about different ways to select rulers, which both of us have probably heard ad nauseam. The bottom line is: okay, there is no perfect way to select rulers. But we would at least want to try something different. Champions in Crown/Coronet tournaments is the compromise which most people can agree upon over here. Nordmark is now preparing a petition for advancement to Princi- pality. The law proposal as it is today, and which I know has the firm support of a large majority in the Barony, contains the provision that champions may be used in Coronet tournaments. We are asking that this be allowed on a trial basis, e.g. for 3 reigns, after which we would stop and evaluate the results. Note that I am not arguing the merits of risks of champions here. My question is: Do you think that there is any chance that the Board may allow such a thing? This is no official request on behalf of the Barony, merely a sound-you-out from one of those who wrote the law proposal and to whom the idea of non-fighters with coronets is dear. Pax et bonum! William de Corbie (OP) aka Ake Eldberg ------ Nedan f|ljer Eilis svar: ------- (Detta {r en f|rkortad version av det svar jag fick fr}n Eilis; f|rkortandet best}r i att jag raderat en del av det hon citerar ur mitt brev till henne.) To William de Corbie fom Eilis O'Boirne, Greetings: I am finally able to answer your letter in a real way, since this is the last day of work before the long holiday break. I have taken the liberty of sending a copy of your letter, and of my answer, to Duchess Sedalia, the Society Seneschal, so that she will be fully informed. > One point was a decision, apparently made by the > chairman or some other official, to the effect that "using champions > in Crown tournaments is against Corpora". This policy decision was made by Duchess Sedalia and confirmed by the Board. > There are serious cultural differences between America and Europe; There are serious cultural differences between Americans from different parts of the country -- there are even serious cultural differences between people living in the same town. If people chose to play the same game, they agree, whatever their differences, to abide by the rules of that game. > Chief among the complaints is the focus on sports, i.e. fighting. > To us, it is hard to accept that there is no way to reach the throne > if you are not a fighter, or the girlfriend of one. There are people here with the same attitude. This is not a European vs. American thing -- it has deep roots in the SCA. > Champions in Crown/Coronet tournaments is the compromise which > most people can agree upon over here. > > Note that I am not arguing the merits of risks of champions > here. My question is: Do you think that there is any chance > that the Board may allow such a thing? Not at this time. Possibly not ever. There are many problems inherent in the Champion system, and workable solutions to many of them have not been proposed. There are several alternatives that you might consider, if this idea really has widespread support. 1. If Nordmark goes Principality, create a new position which ranks just below the Prince. Make it a real position, with real rank and real duties. Have that position available through the Champion system. 2. Consider becoming a Palatine Barony, rather than a Principality. A Palatine Barony is not restricted in the way it chooses it's Ruler, so the Champion system could be used. Either of these methods will give the system a working trial, and allow the problems to appear and be solved. Another thing -- if you go with the Palatine Barony, you could choose the Baron/ess without fighting being involved at all. Both the Barony of the Western Seas (Hawaii) and the Barony of the Far West (Japan, etc.) alternate between martial and arts tournies to select the Baron/ess. Remember that any system must have the support of the populace -- not just the vocal members of the populace, but all the populace. Best of luck and happy seasonal-holiday-of-your-choice. --- Lee Forgue, Director, SCA Inc. ------- H{r f|ljer till sist mitt svar till Eilis: ------- Dear Lady Eilis! Thank you for the full and elaborate reply to my query. It is most valuable to get a first-hand reaction from a Board member in this electronic way. I did not intend to start a debate with you about these things, (hence I avoided setting forth any arguments in my previous message) but in the interest of mutual understanding I wish to give you some feedback. >If people chose to play the same game, they agree, whatever their >differences, to abide by the rules of that game. Absolutely. But any set of rules will allow for some variations, and when there are special reasons, most organizations will make dispensations for things outside the standard rules. At the same time, there are usually some fundamental things which are seen as necessary, and will be the same everywhere. My question was if the "fight to rule" system is part of the indispensable and unalterable necessities, or if a variation, in your view, is possible. >There are people here with the same attitude. This is not a >European vs. American thing -- it has deep roots in the SCA. Two comments: 1. You show no willingness to understand when you dismiss the cultural aspects by referring to differences between people living in the same American town. Now *that* is an American phenomenon of which we have very little over here. Sweden, at least, is not a melting pot of many different immigrant cultures, but a nation consisting, basically, of a single people. The existence of Americans with a certain opinion says nothing about the background, depth or function of the same opinion in Europe. (You have e.g. the occasional Shintoist in the USA; that does not mean that Shinto permeates the American nation as it does Japan.) Anthropological studies have shown clear differences in attitudes and ways of thinking between Europe and America (with Italy, Spain and Scandinavia having the least "American" cultural patterns here). The bottom line is that if the SCA wants to be an international society with foreign members, it cannot dismiss the cultural differences or put them down to individual opinions only. Rather, it should be flexible and try to understand foreign ideas. I see no valid reason against such flexibility as long as our systems remain "compatible" so that we understand each other and can interact at events without harmful confusion. 2. We both know that the desire for a different method of ruler selection has been present among a sizeable minority in the Society for a long time. Yet, no other method than "fight- to-rule" has ever been seriously tried, as far as I know. You speak of problems inherent in the Champion system; I put it to you that 90% of the problems attributed to it are sheer fantasies; since it has not been tried, nobody really knows. You should also be aware that something which does not work in the USA could very well work over here; values and patterns of thinking and social interaction are different. In Nordmark, there is a unique opportunity to try new ideas. Since this part of the Known World is far away from the States and very few people move between them, an experiment here could hardly have any negative effects on the rest of the Society -- whether the outcome was good or bad. In short, I can see no other reason for a blanket refusal to even try this out, than that the fight-to-rule system is a dogma. I thank you for the alternatives which you suggest; none of them is relevant because they do not solve the problem. They do not open a path for all members to become crowned royalty, regardless of what activities they pursue in the Society. Nor do they give them access to the authentic feudal titles of Count, Earl, Duke. Having said all this, I thank you once again for replying to my question. Knowing that "not at this time, possibly not ever" is likely to be the Board's response, helps me and others decide what directions to work in. Knowledge, even if disappointing, is better than uncertainty. William de Corbie ------- slut p} inkluderade meddelanden ------- From nordmark-request Tue Dec 27 23:49:17 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA10696 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:49:16 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA07754 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:49:15 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA18578; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:49:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 23:49:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199412272249.XAA18578@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: spridande av text From: Status: RO Jag blev mycket |verraskad |ver ett brev jag fick idag fr}n en person i USA. Vederb|rande s{ger att korrespondensen mellan mig och ombudsmannen f|r Drachenwald hade vidare- befordrats till en mailing-lista i An Tir. Detta var ABSOLUT INTE MENINGEN. Jag protesterar och k{nner mig kr{nkt av att jag inte blev tillfr}gad. Jag ville INTE att det h{r materialet skulle spridas till Rialto eller andra delar av SCA, eftersom det r|rde Nordmarks interna aff{rer. Jag vill inte att det ska se ut som om jag driver n}gon sorts kampanj, vilket {r det intryck man kan f}. Nordmarks prath|g h|r till oss, inte till hela den k{nda v{rlden. Om en s}dan h{r text l{ses av personer utan k{nnedom om kontexten, leder det ofelbart till missf|rst}nd. Men nu har jag l{rt mig min l{xa. Jag kommer aldrig mer att skicka den h{r typen av priviligierad information till prath|gen. William de Corbie From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 09:37:54 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from box.ludd.luth.se (box.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.26]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA15666 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 09:37:53 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by box.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA14720 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 09:37:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199412290837.JAA14720@box.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: spridande av text To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 09:37:39 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199412272249.XAA18578@groucho.csd.uu.se> from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Dec 27, 94 11:49:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3420 Status: RO Salve allihopa... William skrev detta och jag f|rst}r att h{ndelser av beskriven natur kan uppr|ra en hel del m{nniskor. Vad jag skriver riktar sig till ALLA och inte endast till William..... > > Jag blev mycket |verraskad |ver ett brev jag fick idag > fr}n en person i USA. Vederb|rande s{ger att korrespondensen > mellan mig och ombudsmannen f|r Drachenwald hade vidare- > befordrats till en mailing-lista i An Tir. > Detta {r s}dant som kan h{nmda och faktiskt h{nder v{ldigt ofta... Internet {r ju en anarki av stora m}tt. Nu finns det ju olika inst{llningar till vidarebefordring och spridning av brev, artiklar och andra dokument. En {r att det {r fritt att sprida det man hittar/l{ser p} n{tet oavsett vad "f|rfattaren" har skrivit eller medgivit. Den {r dock inte s{rskilt vanlig enligt min uppfattning. En annan {r att det {r fritt att sprida det man l{ser/hittar s}vida "f|rfattaren" inte skrivit att han/hon inte vill att det sprids. Det h{r {r nog en vanligare modell, i alla fall i Sverige, Europa och andra delar av v{rlden d{r man inte kan st{mma varandra f|r vad- som-helst. En tredje {r att man f}r sprida information bara om "f|rfattaren" i artikeln, inl{gget givit sitt medgivande till att det sprids.... Detta hittas i saker/texter/dokument som har sitt ursprung i de delar av v{rlden d{r det g}r att st{mma varandra f|r vad-som-helst. > Detta var ABSOLUT INTE MENINGEN. Jag protesterar och k{nner > mig kr{nkt av att jag inte blev tillfr}gad. Jag ville INTE > att det h{r materialet skulle spridas till Rialto eller > andra delar av SCA, eftersom det r|rde Nordmarks interna > aff{rer. Jag vill inte att det ska se ut som om jag driver > n}gon sorts kampanj, vilket {r det intryck man kan f}. [r det inte en kampanj d}??? (fast en Nordmarkisk och inte en Williamsk) > Nordmarks prath|g h|r till oss, inte till hela den k{nda > v{rlden. Om en s}dan h{r text l{ses av personer utan k{nnedom > om kontexten, leder det ofelbart till missf|rst}nd. Men nu > har jag l{rt mig min l{xa. Jag kommer aldrig mer att skicka > den h{r typen av priviligierad information till prath|gen. > > William de Corbie > Forts{tt f|r (valfri)guds skull att skicka information till prath|gen. Vill ni att det inte skall spridas s} skriv det i b|rjan av dokumentet. Det g}r ju inte att intyga till 100% att det inte skickas vidare d} men de allra flesta verkar respektera en dylik |nskan. Man beh|ver inte k{nna till kontexten f|r att missf|rst}... se bara p} f|rst}elsen fr}n Drachenwalds ombud... H|r till oss??? vilka {r det??? Vilka {r oss??? [r det vi??? Alla i Nordmark??? Alla med intressen i Nordmark??? Alla som {r upptagna av SCA-relaterade intriger och SCA-politik??? Alla som pratar svenska??? Alla som {r nyfikna p} vad so mh{nder och sker i Nordmark??? Ska vi sl{nga ut alla utl{nningar??? eller bara amerikaner??? Ska vi ha med v}ra grannar i |ster??? Vilka ska vi sl{nga ut??? Och vem ska sl{nga ut dem??? /Ulf - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert,in pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PS. ]ter vill jag p]peka att detta {r ett brev som r|r alla...... From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 10:05:00 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from box.ludd.luth.se (box.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.26]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA15706 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:04:59 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by box.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA14744 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:04:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199412290904.KAA14744@box.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Heraldikfr}ga.... To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (sca) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:04:45 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 931 Status: RO Salve allihopsens.... Mitt vapen blazoneras s} h{r........(har jag f|r mig) Vert, in pale a crescent inverted and a Thor's hammer argent. eller P} gr|n botten, stolpvis en inverterad(?) m}nsk{ra och en torshammare, allt i silver. Nu undrar jag om hammarens "naturliga" position {r att st} p} huvudet med skaftet pekandes upp}t??? Om det inte {r det vad heter det i s} fall d} hammaren st}r med skaftet upp}t?? inverterad hammare???? :) va? eller?? Ulf, blazonerad.....inte?? jaha...konfunderad menar jag... :) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert,in pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 15:27:58 1994 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA16464 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:27:57 +0100 Received: by ki.se id AA03552 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for Prath|gen ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:29:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:29:53 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Senaste CA To: Prath|gen Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO Fick senaste Compleate Anachronist h{romdagen. Den hittils mest l{sv{rda=20 av alla CA som jag l{st. Inte f|r att den {r full av hantverkstips (som=20 jag i alla fall ine har tid att g|ra n}got av), utan f|r att den |ppnar=20 |gonen ang}ende en hel del olater som vi v{l alla lite till mans=20 praktiserar. Bara ett problem; den borde helst spridas lite l{ngre {n till bara det=20 f}tal som l{ser CA. Eller vad tycker ni? F|r de som inte l{gger ut extra pengar p} denna tidskrift s} {r detta=20 nummer en allegori (av Ioseph of Locksley) om SCA och Dr|mmen.=20 /UlfR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud Oh, *practice*. I don=B4t mind=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se *practising*. So long as we Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 don=B4t have to do it for real... From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 15:47:55 1994 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16511 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:47:55 +0100 Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.1.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA10375 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:47:53 +0100 Received: (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.9/8.6.4) id PAA21439 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:47:49 +0100 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199412291447.PAA21439@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Senaste CA To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List (Prath|gen)) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:47:47 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 840 Status: RO UlfR skriver: > Fick senaste Compleate Anachronist h{romdagen: en allegori (av > Ioseph of Locksley) om SCA och Dr|mmen. Den hittils mest l{sv{rda av > alla CA som jag l{st. ... den borde helst spridas lite l{ngre {n > till bara det f}tal som l{ser CA. Det borde inte vara s} sv}rt. F|r n}got }r sedan skickade Ioseph ut denna historia p} Rialto, med en not om att det var fritt att kopiera den, och {ven trycka den om man skickade ett ex av tryckalstret till Ioseph. Jag tog vara p} den, och den finns nu p} min dator, vacket formaterad i FrameMaker. Sanningen att s{ga, orkade jag inte l{sa den d}, n{r jag fick den, men nu har jag b|rjat, och den {r fakstisk ganska underh}llande. /Peder Peder Klingrode | Leif Euren Stockholm, Sweden Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald | leeu@celsiustech.se From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 18:57:16 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA16873; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:57:15 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA22308; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:57:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:57:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199412291757.SAA22308@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: bubba@ludd.luth.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <199412290837.JAA14720@box.ludd.luth.se> (bubba@ludd.luth.se) Subject: Re: spridande av text From: Status: RO Jo, allts}. Jag blev en aning putt |ver att min korrespondens skickats vidare, men samtidigt f|rst}r jag mycket v{l hur det kommer sig att s}nt h{nder. Vi har ju aldrig lagt fast n}gra regler f|r hur man ska behandla information p} prath|gen, och det finns v{l heller ingen begr{nsning r|rande vem som f}r prenumerera. Allts} kan jag inte s{ga att n}gon har gjort n}t direkt fel. I normala fall beh|ver man knappast fundera |ver "risken" att material fr}n Prath|gen skickas ut |ver v{rlden, eftersom det mesta {r p} svenska. Det var en miss av mig att inte t{nka p} den m|jligheten i det h{|r fallet, n{r nu texten var engelsk. Summan av kardemumman {r att jag borde ha skrivit uttryckligen i texten, att jag inte ville f} den vidarebefordrad. Allts}, vem det nu {n var som skickade det hela vidare: du beh|ver inte ha d}ligt samvete. Kampanj? Nja. Jag menade att det ser fult ut om jag skriver till en BoD-medlem och sedan publicerar vederb|randes svar till hela v{rlden, som "titta h{r vad BoD s{ger", implicit "blir ni inte ocks} arga?" eller "h}ller ni inte med om att jag har r{tt och BoD har fel?" Det kan tolkas som att jag s|ker st|d f|r mina uppfattningar, vilket inte var avsikten med att skicka texten till Prath|gen. Min avsikt var bara att l}ta folk i Nordmark veta att BoD best{mt sig f|r ett absolut, icke f|rhandlingsbart nej till f|rk{mpar, {ven till ett tillf{lligt prov med s}dana. F|r |vrigt har jag f}tt ett par intressanta reaktioner fr}n folk i An Tir. En person erbj|d sig att f|rmedla kontakter med Kingdom of Acre och andra grupper som brutit sig ur SCA, vederb|rande tycktes helt |vertygad om att vi stod p} randen att be BoD fara och flyga... En annan person p}pekar att det {r "d}lig tajming" att beg{ra en s}dan h{r traditionsstridig grej just nu, med tanke p} det senaste }rets h{ndelser; det nya BoD som tilltr{dde efter BoD-krisen, best}r av ett g{ng gamla hertigar och andra med synnerligen reaktion{ra }sikter. De ser just nu som sin uppgift att }terst{lla SCA till den Gamla Goda Tiden och rensa bort alla dumma nymodigheter... William From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 18:59:22 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA16884 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:59:22 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA10573 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:59:21 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA22311; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:59:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 18:59:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199412291759.SAA22311@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: (message from Par Leijonhufvud labtek on Thu, 29 Dec 1994 15:29:53 +0200 (METDST)) Subject: Re: Senaste CA From: Status: RO Den d{r allegorin -- {r det inte den som publicerades p} Rialto f|r ett tag sedan? En l}ng saga om en ny SCAit som leds genom olika aspekter av SCA och f}r se s}v{l goda som d}liga saker. Om det {r den, kanske jag har den kvar i elektronisk form. William From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 19:34:02 1994 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA17082 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:34:01 +0100 Received: by ki.se id AA19653 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:35:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:35:56 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Re: spridande av text Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: <199412291757.SAA22308@groucho.csd.uu.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO On Thu, 29 Dec 1994 vader@emil.csd.uu.se wrote: > Jo, allts}. Jag blev en aning putt |ver att min korrespondens > skickats vidare, men samtidigt f|rst}r jag mycket v{l hur det > kommer sig att s}nt h{nder. Vi har ju aldrig lagt fast n}gra > regler f|r hur man ska behandla information p} prath|gen, och > det finns v{l heller ingen begr{nsning r|rande vem som f}r > prenumerera. Allts} kan jag inte s{ga att n}gon har gjort n}t > direkt fel. Bara en fr}ga; bad du BoB-medlemmen om tillst}nd att publicera=20 hans/hennes svar p} Prath|gen, eller f|rutsatte du att det var "offentlig= =20 handling" och d{rmed ok att publicera? D{rtill kan man argumentera att allt som skrivs i allm{nna medier (t.ex.=20 tidningar, news-grupper, etc) {r offentliga och d{rmed citerbara (med=20 vederb|rligt angivande av k{lla, etc). Fr}gan om Prath|gen {r en s}dan=20 offentlig k{lla {r intressant. Hur "sv}rt" {r det att komma med p} den? Fr}gan om citat som genom att sammanhanget _inte_ framg}r inbjuder till=20 missf|rst}nd {r iofs {ven den intressant. >=20 > I normala fall beh|ver man knappast fundera |ver "risken" att > material fr}n Prath|gen skickas ut |ver v{rlden, eftersom det > mesta {r p} svenska. Det var en miss av mig att inte t{nka p} > den m|jligheten i det h{|r fallet, n{r nu texten var engelsk. Nyhet; det finns svenskspr}kiga m{nniskor {ven utanf|r Sveriges gr{nser.=20 Vissa av dom kanske t.o.m. inte h}ller med dig. >=20 > Summan av kardemumman {r att jag borde ha skrivit uttryckligen > i texten, att jag inte ville f} den vidarebefordrad. Allts}, > vem det nu {n var som skickade det hela vidare: du beh|ver inte > ha d}ligt samvete. >=20 > Kampanj? Nja. Jag menade att det ser fult ut om jag skriver > till en BoD-medlem och sedan publicerar vederb|randes svar > till hela v{rlden, som "titta h{r vad BoD s{ger", implicit > "blir ni inte ocks} arga?" eller "h}ller ni inte med om att > jag har r{tt och BoD har fel?" Det kan tolkas som att jag > s|ker st|d f|r mina uppfattningar, vilket inte var avsikten > med att skicka texten till Prath|gen. Min avsikt var bara > att l}ta folk i Nordmark veta att BoD best{mt sig f|r ett > absolut, icke f|rhandlingsbart nej till f|rk{mpar, {ven till > ett tillf{lligt prov med s}dana. Jo, lite fult ser det onekligen ut. Varf|r gjorde du det? F|r att f}=20 andra att h}lla med dig, eller...? >=20 > F|r |vrigt har jag f}tt ett par intressanta reaktioner fr}n > folk i An Tir. En person erbj|d sig att f|rmedla kontakter > med Kingdom of Acre och andra grupper som brutit sig ur SCA, > vederb|rande tycktes helt |vertygad om att vi stod p} randen > att be BoD fara och flyga... En annan person p}pekar att det > {r "d}lig tajming" att beg{ra en s}dan h{r traditionsstridig > grej just nu, med tanke p} det senaste }rets h{ndelser; det > nya BoD som tilltr{dde efter BoD-krisen, best}r av ett g{ng > gamla hertigar och andra med synnerligen reaktion{ra }sikter. > De ser just nu som sin uppgift att }terst{lla SCA till den > Gamla Goda Tiden och rensa bort alla dumma nymodigheter... Mer eller mindre seri|sa diskutioner om utbrytning har nog f|rekommit=20 sedan vi f|rst blev med i SCA. Fr}gan {r (som alltid) vad vi skulle vinna= =20 respektive f|rlora p} ett s}dant beslut. D{rtill har nog BoD lite annat f|r sig f|r n{rvarande {n "{ventyrliga=20 nymodigheter", p} gott s}v{l som ont. >=20 > William >=20 >=20 /UlfR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud Oh, *practice*. I don=B4t mind=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se *practising*. So long as we Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 don=B4t have to do it for real... From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 19:36:04 1994 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA17097 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:36:03 +0100 Received: by ki.se id AA19859 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:37:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:37:59 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Re: Senaste CA Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: <199412291759.SAA22311@groucho.csd.uu.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO On Thu, 29 Dec 1994 vader@emil.csd.uu.se wrote: > Den d{r allegorin -- {r det inte den som publicerades > p} Rialto f|r ett tag sedan? En l}ng saga om en ny SCAit > som leds genom olika aspekter av SCA och f}r se s}v{l > goda som d}liga saker. Om det {r den, kanske jag har > den kvar i elektronisk form. >=20 > William >=20 Enligt Herr Peder {r det samma; jag vet inte eftersom jag inte orkar med=20 Rialto (citat av citat av citat av citat, allt in extensio). /UlfR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud Oh, *practice*. I don=B4t mind=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se *practising*. So long as we Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 don=B4t have to do it for real... From nordmark-request Thu Dec 29 22:11:37 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA17677 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 22:11:36 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA23329; Thu, 29 Dec 1994 22:11:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 1994 22:11:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199412292111.WAA23329@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: (message from Par Leijonhufvud labtek on Thu, 29 Dec 1994 19:35:56 +0200 (METDST)) Subject: Re: spridande av text From: Status: RO Ulfr, det som r|r mitt inl{gg av min korrespondens med BoDs ombudsman f|r Drachenwald och vidarebefordrandet av det, {r f|r min del en utagerad fr}ga. Jag konstaterar sammanfatt- ningsvis att jag |verreagerade mot vidarebefordringen och att felet var mitt: jag borde ha skrivit ut att jag inte ville ha texten distribuerad utanf|r Nordmark. William From nordmark-request Fri Dec 30 22:27:41 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from box.ludd.luth.se (box.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.26]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA20910 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 22:27:40 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by box.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA16587 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Fri, 30 Dec 1994 22:27:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199412302127.WAA16587@box.ludd.luth.se> Subject: hur sv}rt det {r att f} vara med.... To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (sca) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 22:27:25 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 946 Status: RO Salve igen allihopsens.... Det undrades |ver hur sv}rt det {r att "f} vara med" p} Prath|gen..... I egenskap av inofficiell Vice-Nordmarks-magiker (prath|gs-adm) s} svarar jag i Styrbj|rns st{lle..... Det {r inte sv}rt att f} vara med, det som kr{vs {r att man skickar ett litet e-mail till nordmark-request@ludd.luth.se d{r man skriver sin e-mail adress. D{refter tar Huvudmagikern(Styrbj|rn) och l{gger till vederb|rande i listan och d} {r man helt enkelt med..... S} sv}rt(?) {r det att f} vara med.... /Ulf, vice magiker - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert,in pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Sat Dec 31 15:01:05 1994 Return-Path: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA23113; Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:01:04 +0100 Received: from vipunen.hut.fi (vipunen.hut.fi [130.233.224.20]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA12941; Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:01:02 +0100 Received: (from tsahib@localhost) by vipunen.hut.fi (8.6.9/8.6.7) id QAA101361; Sat, 31 Dec 1994 16:01:13 +0200 From: The Merconomicon Adept Message-Id: <199412311401.QAA101361@vipunen.hut.fi> Subject: Re: Heraldikfr}ga.... To: bubba@ludd.luth.se (U.J|rgen \hman) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 16:01:12 +0200 (GMT) Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmarks Prath|g) In-Reply-To: <199412290904.KAA14744@box.ludd.luth.se> from "U.J|rgen \hman" at Dec 29, 94 10:04:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1130 Status: RO Salve omnes in generale & herr Ulf in particolare! > Salve allihopsens.... > Mitt vapen blazoneras s} h{r........(har jag f|r mig) > Vert, in pale a crescent inverted and a Thor's hammer argent. > eller > P} gr|n botten, stolpvis en inverterad(?) m}nsk{ra och en > torshammare, allt i silver. > Nu undrar jag om hammarens "naturliga" position {r att st} p} > huvudet med skaftet pekandes upp}t??? > Om det inte {r det vad heter det i s} fall d} hammaren st}r med > skaftet upp}t?? inverterad hammare???? :) va? eller?? Jag har f|rst}tt att en vanilj hammare har huvudet upp}t om ej annat angivits, s} att den ser naturlig ut n{r man g}r och hamrar fienden. Torshammaren } andra sidan skall ritas s} som den vanligtvis b{rs, dvs med huvudet h{ngande ned}t. Tyv{rr kan jag inte hj{lpa mera med svenska blasonering. Bara att det heter f{lt, inte botten :-) Hoppas det hj{lper, Iohan Magnusson Chiuisoo Susi Persevant, Aarnimets{ > Ulf, blazonerad.....inte?? jaha...konfunderad menar jag... :) -- *** Tero.J.Heikkinen@hut.fi *********** Disclaimer wanted: Apply within *** "Dammit Jim, I'm an accountant, not a doctor!"