From nordmark-request Wed May 25 09:32:05 1994 Received: from sdav01.seinf.abb.se (sdav01.seinf.abb.se [138.221.200.99]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA12993 for ; Wed, 25 May 1994 09:31:57 +0200 Received: from iris.ato.abb.se by sdav01.seinf.abb.se with SMTP; Wed, 25 May 1994 9:30:59 +0200 (WET-DST) Received: by iris.ato.abb.se (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03308; Sat, 25 Jun 94 08:36:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 08:36:45 -0500 From: tmprohe@iris.ato.abb.se (Robert Hedstrom) Message-Id: <9406251336.AA03308@iris.ato.abb.se> To: Sven.Noren@Kemi.UU.SE, nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Badsch foer naetskvallrare! Cc: tmprohe@iris.ato.abb.se Status: RO Det aer roligt naer saker aer period.. sven g From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 09:13:59 1994 Received: from sics.se (sics.se [192.16.123.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA17761 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:13:58 +0200 Received: from edjo.sics.se by sics.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/SICS-1.4) with SMTP id AA14497; Wed, 1 Jun 94 09:13:56 +0200 Message-Id: <9406010713.AA14497@sics.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Separata korporationer. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 31 May 1994 15:22:41 +0200." <199405311322.AA17884@akka.kemi.uu.se> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 09:13:55 +0200 From: Annika Waern Status: RO Utan att ha lagt mig i diskussionen tidigare vill jag komma med en kort kommentar. Vivat Anestorra! Drachenwald har mycket st|rre sk{l att bryta sig ur BoDs grepp, men {nd} var de f|rst! Problemet {r v{l, att det {r sv}rt att se hur det ska g} till p} b{sta s{tt i Drachenwald, med alla olika l{nder och lagar. Fritiof skrev: >Jag tror det blir enklast med en korporation i varje land, som kan anpassa >sinorganisation till lokala f|rh}llanden. Medh}ll. > "Drachenwald" kan bli en >intereuropeisk paraplyorganisation med uppgift att samordna de olika >nationella organisationerna, gemensamma regler f|r k{mpalekar >till exempel. Jag tror att det {r viktigt att se till att denna organisation administrativt verkligen blir ett paraply, dvs att den best}r av ett antal landsorganisationer, och inte av individer. Legalt blir allts} varje lands organisation ansvarig f|r sina egna g|randen och l}tanden. Rent praktiskt b|r nog Drachenwald F|RST utforma ett paraply, som sedan de individuella l{nderna kan ansluta sig till. De landsgrupper som inte har n}gon motsvarighet till SCA-Nordmark m}ste ges n}gon m|jlighet att delta i samarbetet ("leken") under en |verg}ngsperiod, utan att ha en lokal organisation. Vilka {r riskerna med att bryta sig ur SCA p} det h{r s{ttet? F|rs{kringarna kan vi l{mna d{rh{n, de har vad jag vet aldrig utnyttjats i Nordmark och s{kert mycket s{llan p} denna sida Atlanten. Jag tror att den st|rre faran {r att vi isolerar oss fr}n "leken" i (det forna) SCA. Vad h{nder till exempel om det finns lokalgrupper som inte vill bryta sig ur SCA inc.? T{nk om de forts{tter vara anslutna till SCA och g}r in i t.ex. \stra Konungariket? Det viktiga {r att "leken" kan fort{tta som f|rut, och d{r finns det v{l ngt dokument fr}n Estrella som ska garantera det? Eller? Katrina/Annika From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 09:13:48 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA17756 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:13:47 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA01507; Wed, 1 Jun 94 09:18:04 +0200 Subject: Mera utlandsnytt To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Wed, 1 Jun 94 09:14:20 +0200 Message-Id: <940601.091420.73370@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO Utrikesrapporteringen forts{tter. S} h{r g|r V{stra Kungariket. /Catrin >Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 10:27:06 -0800 (PST) >From: "Flieg Hollander" > The West will not be complying. Our Royalty and the populace have been >asked to test the waiver text thoroughly, but it is the opinion of several >people whom I know and trust that the NEW, NEW waiver text is dangerous to >your health insurance and to your pocketbook. You should not sign it if you >value either of those commodities. > The West is continuing with the old system, with the Old, New Waiver Text >(which is pretty godawful as it is), but we will be collecting the waivers >to a central location. The surcharge is being dealt with by having all >events have voluntary donations, rather than site fees. If anyonw wants to >donate money to the BoD, there will be a bucket available, and the money >will be sent in. (Fat chance, these days.) > This is the case as I know it. Your milage may vary. > >=Frederick > > * * * Frederick of Holland, MSCA, OP, etc. > *** *** *** flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu > _|___|___|_ > |===========| > (((Flieg Hollander, Chem. Dept., U.C. Berkeley))) > ================== Old Used Duke ================= > [All subjects of the Crown are equal under its protection > and no Corporation is going to convince me otherwise.] From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 09:41:17 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA17938 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:41:17 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA03078; Wed, 1 Jun 94 09:45:35 +0200 Subject: Re: Breaking News.... To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Wed, 1 Jun 94 09:41:51 +0200 Message-Id: <940601.094151.73395@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO Ett klarg|rande om Ansteorras f|rh}llande till SCA. /Catrin >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 01:58:04 -0400 >From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) > >Greetings from Hossein! > I wish to make one thing absolutely clear: Ansteorra has not seceded. >The kingdom of Ansteorra regards itself as integrally a part of our >Society. What Ansteorra has done is refuse to comply with unreasonable >and unjust policies which that realm believes the Board of Directors has >no right to impose so long as those directors are accountable to no one >and representative of no one expect themselves. Ansteorra believes that >the SCA belongs to the _populace_, not the Board of Directors. So long as >Ansteorra stands with the other kingdoms and their people it is as fully >a part of the SCA as any other kingdom. It is the Board which has withdrawn >from the masses who _are_ the SCA by its willful disregard of their best >interests and sentiments. These views were conveyed to me by HRM Inman >and represent the feelings of Their Majesties and the populace of Ansteorra >as presented in the Royal Decrees at Steppes Warlord. > >Hossein Ali Qomi, >Baron, Lion of Ansteorra >(Gregory Rose) From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 16:27:35 1994 Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA21002 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 16:27:34 +0200 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA03691 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 1 Jun 1994 16:27:28 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 16:27:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199406011427.AA03691@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: annika@sics.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: Annika Waern's message of Wed, 01 Jun 1994 09:13:55 +0200 <9406010713.AA14497@sics.se> Subject: Separata korporationer. From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Jag h}ller absolut med om det d{r med paraply! Allts}: l}t varje land sj{lvt ha hand om sin byr}krati, pengar och f|rs{kringar -- och andra s}na v{rldsliga ting. Etablera inte n}gon dyrbar och kr}nglig gemensam administration, utan l}t det andliga inneh}llet f|rena oss: SCA-traditionen och den gemensamma feodala hierarkin. William From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 16:42:10 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA21131 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 16:42:07 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA19995; Wed, 1 Jun 94 16:46:26 +0200 Subject: Re: To Ansteaora (fwd) To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Wed, 1 Jun 94 16:42:42 +0200 Message-Id: <940601.164242.73704@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >From: HAROLD.FELD@hq.doe.gov >Date: 1 Jun 94 10:18:00 -0400 > > Unto all who read these words, greetings from Yaakov. > > Permission to publish the following is freely given, nay, > encouraged! My appologies in advance for spelling people's > names wrong. Remeber that variant spellings are period and > forgive me if I ere. The form is Rhyme Royal: a period > form popularized by Chaucer. > > To the People of Ansteaora by Mar Yaakov HaMizrachi > > All praise to Ansteaora's valiant leaders! > Inman and Athena, Frederick at their side. > While other crowns may sit like lotus-eaters, > Letting tyrannous rule range far and wide, > These brave heroes proudly forward stride. > Resisting central rule with all their might, > To save their kingdom from this fearful plight. > > I nman cries out: "My people are not slaves! > N o knee shall bend to corporation's whim! > M y sword and my decree our vic'try paves!" > A nd Ansteaora gladly answers him: > "N ever shall we bow our necks again! > Free we live and free shall be forever more > And freely choose to follow brave MacMoor." > > A thena, beauty's queen, likewise inspires > T o arms all fighters who behold her grace. > H ow can the Ansteaoran knights and squires > E ndure the suffering shown in her face? > N one within that realm could be so base! > A nd non-combatants bravely, in like manner, > Rally 'round her unfurled battle banner > > F earless Frederick, faithful to Lord and Liege, > R ight hand and counsellor of law most wise, > E nraged to see his overlord besieged, > D ecries the corporation's legal lies . > R ebellion 'gainst this foe he doth advise: > "C alamity to our fair realm they bring. > K ick out these foreign edicts, oh my king!" > > The sovereigns heard the wisdom of his words, > And, to their praise, had courage for the act. > In A.S. 28, at Steppes Warlords, > With Ansteaora's people forged this pact, > And forced the world to learn again this fact: > Despite the corporation's claims and schemes, > It's the people, not the Bod, who forge the Dream! > > So take heed you peers and peoples of the world! > You heads of state debating in your halls! > Behold bright bane of tyrants now unfurled. > Resistance rises, hear you how it calls? > Oh Ansteaora! Happy you must be! > To live so proud, defiantly and free! > > Copyright 1994 by Harold Feld, 11235 Oakleaf Dr. #817, > Silver Spring, MD 20901. Permission is granted to reproduce > this in any SCA publication or electronic forum. If someone > ever writes music to it, let me know. > > In Service to the Society, > > Mar Yaakov HaMizrachi From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 18:08:52 1994 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA22070 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 18:08:49 +0200 Received: from by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AB15742; Wed, 1 Jun 94 18:08:46 +0200 Registered-Mail-Reply-Requested-By: "ERA.ERAAINA" Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.2-15 #1) id <01HD0ZPQRV4G90O8DR@eds.ericsson.se>; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 17:33:11 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 15:16:08 +0100 Mr-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Wed, 01 Jun 1994 15:16:08 +0100 (+0100) Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 15:15:00 +0100 From: "ERA.ERAAINA" Subject: Till Pär Leijo To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Ua-Content-Id: zJ7upyV7H1qAVeHM X400-Mts-Identifier: [;80615110604991/1619434@EDS] Hop-Count: 1 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAAINA 08-757 3505 94-06-01 15.15 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET Hejsan! Jag söker egentligen bara Ulfr Kettilson, men har inte adressen tillgänglig. Så om Ulfr läser det här eller någon som har känne- dom ifrågan och kan svaret vore det trevligt om personen hör av sig till mig. I alla fall, är det Ulfr som ska ha material till Silversparren på fil och vilken är då adressen som det ska skickas till? Min adress är : ERA.ERAAINA\MEMO.ERICSSON.SE I drömmens tjänst, Heloise From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 20:23:26 1994 Received: from ki.se (ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA23255 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:23:25 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA09092 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for Prath|gen ); Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:23:49 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:22:33 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud k1h Subject: Urtima Ting To: Prath|gen Cc: Peder Klingrode Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO Jag anser ocks} att ett Ting b|r h}llas i Visby, f|r att d{r fr}ga=20 Nordmarks population vad de tycker. /UlfR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud =A6 Beware of strong drink. It can=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@k1h.ki.se =A6 make you shoot at tax collectors Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 =A6 and miss. From nordmark-request Wed Jun 1 20:32:59 1994 Received: from ki.se (ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA23386 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:32:59 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA09433 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for NORDMARK@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:33:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:28:32 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud k1h Subject: Re: Till Pdr Leijo To: "ERA.ERAAINA" Cc: NORDMARK@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO On Wed, 1 Jun 1994, ERA.ERAAINA wrote: > --- Received from ERA.ERAAINA 08-757 3505 94-06-01 15.15 > -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET > -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET >=20 > Hejsan! >=20 > Jag svker egentligen bara Ulfr Kettilson, men har inte adressen > tillgdnglig. Se om Ulfr ldser det hdr eller negon som har kdnne- > dom ifregan och kan svaret vore det trevligt om personen hvr av > sig till mig. >=20 > I alla fall, dr det Ulfr som ska ha material till Silversparren > pe fil och vilken dr de adressen som det ska skickas till? >=20 > Min adress dr : ERA.ERAAINA\MEMO.ERICSSON.SE >=20 > I drvmmens tjdnst, >=20 >=20 > Heloise >=20 >=20 >=20 Det {r jag som {r UlfR, och min adressen {r som nedan i min sig.fil.=20 Artiklar till Sparren som du inte sj{lv kan/vill skicka till Lindorm=20 (per diskett) kan numera skickas till mig per email, f|r att sedan=20 skickas per diskett till Lindorm. B{ttre {n papper. Observera att din och vissa andras email kommer framt till mig n}got=20 konstiga (oe blir v, ae blir d, etc), vilket g}r att fixa men kan i=20 v{rsta fall leda till missf|rst}nd. Fr}ga Bronia Mensxxx M}nsdotter f|r=20 exempel. /UlfR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud =A6 Beware of strong drink. It can=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@k1h.ki.se =A6 make you shoot at tax collectors Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 =A6 and miss. From nordmark-request Thu Jun 2 00:26:26 1994 Received: from bronze.lcs.mit.edu (BRONZE.LCS.MIT.EDU [18.30.0.254]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA25539 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 00:26:23 +0200 Received: by bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Sendmail 8.6.9/940527.SGW) id SAA27776; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 18:25:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 18:25:19 -0400 From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Message-Id: <199406012225.SAA27776@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> To: NORTH@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, calontir@unl.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, sca-reform@mit.edu, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu Subject: In Support of Ansteorra Status: RO Unto the good gentles of the Known World does Baron Hossein Ali Qomi and the Committee to Save Our Society send greetings! We wholeheartedly support the decisions of the Ansteorran Crown and populace announced at Steppes Warlord. Their Majesties Inman and Athena have decreed, with the support of their officers and subjects, that Ansteorra will not implement the new waiver, the Board-mandated non-member surcharge, nor the pay-to-fight requirement. Their Majesties have further indicated that Ansteorra has informed the Board that the kingdom is taking steps to immediately form a Texas-based non-profit corporation to support kingdom activities and that insurance for events will be provided through this new kingdom corporation. We believe that the courageous Crown and People of Ansteorra have shown our Society the path to genuine reform. They have not seceded from the SCA -- they have shown that we can reclaim the SCA for the people who comprise it: the populace. Their defiance of unjust and unreasonable Board policies make it absolutely clear that the game we love can and will continue without Board interference. We believe that these historical decisions of the Kingdom of Ansteorra should be supported throughout the Known World. We urge all those who support reform to write to Their Majesties of Ansteorra to express their support for these actions. Their address is: Charles Moore and Athena Stallman 907 Aleta St. Arlington, Texas 76010 We also believe that those who support the cause of reform should write to their Crowns urging them to adopt the policies decreed at Steppes Warlord: no implementation of the new waiver, no implementation of the non-member surcharge, no implementation of pay-to-fight! We further believe that the Crowns should be urged to proceed immediately with incorporation of every kingdom. We urge you to ask the Crowns to support Ansteorra's actions with a reaffirmation of the Estrella Compact. Let them tell the Board in no uncertain terms that the Laurel Kingdoms stand together! Write your Crown. Tell them how you feel on these issues. The Crowns will be meeting in An Tir in less than two weeks for the Royal Council. They need to know your opinion now. The Crown and People of Ansteorra need our support. They have acted to defend all of us. Let those who cherish freedom and reform stand shoulder to shoulder with those in Ansteorra who have taken the foremost rank in our struggle. Vivat Ansteorra! In Service to the Society, and for the Committe to Save Our Society, Hossein Ali Qomi, Baron, Lion of Ansteorra Chairman, CSOS (Gregory Rose) From nordmark-request Thu Jun 2 02:51:16 1994 Received: from bronze.lcs.mit.edu (BRONZE.LCS.MIT.EDU [18.30.0.254]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA26616 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 1994 02:51:14 +0200 Received: by bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Sendmail 8.6.9/940527.SGW) id UAA29301; Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:48:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:48:26 -0400 From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Message-Id: <199406020048.UAA29301@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> To: NORTH@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, calontir@unl.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, sca-reform@MIT.EDU, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu Subject: Re: In Support of Ansteorra Status: RO Greetings from Hossein! I have just spoken with HRM Inman and he has asked me to clarify the legal and ethical basis of the decrees at Steppes Warlord so that the actions will not be misunderstood. On the advice of legal counsel the Crown and Officers of the Kingdom of Ansteorra have determined that the waiver which the kingdom was ordered by the corporation to implement on June 1 violates Texas law. They have further been advised by the populace of the kingdom that the populace will not sign this waiver. Under the circumstances, the Crown has determined that the waiver will not be implemented. Since official events of SCA, Inc. cannot be held under corporate policy without this waiver, until the illegal waiver is rescinded all events will be held without official sanction. The formation of a Texas-based non-profit corporation is an attempt to facilitate procurement of insurance for these unofficial events. Furthermore, since these events will not be held with the official sanction of SCA, Inc., the kingdom is under no obligation to enforce the non-member surcharge or the pay-to-fight requirement at such unofficial events. His Majesty made it clear that Ansteorra is not seceding from the SCA, but engaging in civil disobedience on the basis of legal and ethical objections to the currently mandated waiver and the other unreasonable policies imposed by the corporation. Hossein Ali Qomi, Baron, Lion of Ansteorra (Gregory Rose) From nordmark-request Fri Jun 3 12:33:16 1994 Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA12492 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 12:33:15 +0200 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA34606 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 3 Jun 1994 12:33:14 +0200 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA09660 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 3 Jun 1994 12:33:05 +0200 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 12:33:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199406031033.AA09660@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: Surcharge information. X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Information fr}n andra sidan havet: >From: schuldy@zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei) >Subject: Surcharge information. >To: sca-reform@MIT.EDU (SCA Reform), e5@uriacc.uri.edu (Fifth Estate Mailing List), sca@mc.lcs.mit.edu, carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (carolingia), north@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (north) >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 16:26:37 -0400 (EDT) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-Type: text >Content-Length: 3432 >X-Charset: MACINTOSH >X-Char-Esc: 29 > >In the spirit of my usual contributions, I wrote the following. I felt that >those of us who oppose the SCA surcharge should make an effort to inform the >payors of that surcharge why it is there, what is going on, and why they >should dislike the surcharge. > >Please feel free to photocopy this broadsheet, and distribute it at events >in your area, for as long as the surcharge continues. > > Tibor > > BEFORE YOU PAY THAT SURCHARGE, READ THIS! > >Welcome, nonmember. Before you pay that $3 dollar surcharge, a few things >you should know. > >1. If the event fee is not required, the surcharge is also optional. You can > pay one, both or either. > >2. The resources used to put on this event are from local group funds, and > local group labor. The SCA, Incorporated's total investment in this event > is about $5 dollars worth of insurance, much of which is being paid to > protect the local officers. > >3. The Surcharge you pay today will go directly to the Corporation in > California, and will not directly benefit either the local group, or its > Kingdom. > >4. Until June 1, 1994, you would not have had to pay this surcharge. If you > do not like it, protest to the SCA, Incorporated. This surcharge is > currently hotly debated at all levels in the SCA. > >5. The SCA Incorporated's Board of Directors claimed in January, 1994 that > the SCA is serious financial trouble, and has used this as a justification > for a hike in membership rates, and this surcharge. However, the Board's > accounting firm shows that the 1993 fiscal year produces a surplus of cash. > >6. The 1994 budget for the SCA, Incorporated shows a vast increase in > expenditures for such items as increased merchandising, huge increases in > spending on the Directors themselves, expanded offices and a professional > Executive Director. These increases are unexplained at this time. The > professional Executive Director has, however, brought relations with the > SCA and its Kingdoms and membership to a new low. > >7. According to the SCA's bylaws, the membership has a right to perform > oversight checks on the financial condition of the SCA, Incorporated. To > date the SCA has not only refused to comply with its bylaws, but has > expended thousands of dollars in legal expenses in an attempt to prevent > this oversight. The judge rules in favor of oversight, but none has been > permitted. > >8. The SCA, Incorporated Board of Directors has over the last several months > made many procedural errors in governing the Corporation, radically changed > its procedural techniques, and removed all the traditional oversight > documents that previously had been available to the membership. It also now > routinely holds telephone conferences where votes are taken, that it claims > are not Board meetings. It has also shifted Corporate Officer positions from > the general membership to the Board of Directors and its professional staff. > >9. The Board of Directors of the SCA, Incorporated is a self-perpetuating > Board, meaning it elects its own successors. It's officers have interfered > with impeachment attempts, and it has refused to release information > legally considered basic to attempts to impeach. > >THE CORPORATION HAS NOT EXPLAINED THE NEED FOR THESE SURCHARGES, HAS >DISTANCED ITSELF FROM OVERSIGHT, AND IS INTERFERING IN THE LOCAL GROUPS >ACTIVE RECREATIONS WITH THIS SURCHARGE. IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO KNOW. > > From nordmark-request Mon Jun 6 13:19:03 1994 Received: from ki.se (ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA11988 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:19:02 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA28459 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for Prath|gen ); Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:19:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:12:17 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud k1h Subject: Re: Disketter till Silversparren To: Prath|gen In-Reply-To: <9406020645.AAmaingate.ki.se26961@maingate.ki.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO On Thu, 2 Jun 1994, Marianne Demaret wrote: > Hej svejs! >=20 > Vet du vilket format p} disketter som Lindorm vill ha? Vad han har {r tydligen en Windows-burk, m.a.o. s} vill han ha 3.5",=20 DOS-formaterade disketter. Om du har Mac s} har han tydligen ett program=20 f|r att extrahera filer fr}n {ven dessa, f|rutsatt att dom {r 1.44 MB. >=20 > [r det dessutom n}got speciellt ordbehandlingsformat som han f|redrar? han har f}tt en kopia av mS Word f|r Windows 6.0 av mig, varf|r det=20 troligtvis {r det formatet som han f|redrar. Men det kommer med 42 olika=20 filter f|r andra ordbehandlare, s} det mesta borde g} bra. Som vanligt {r= =20 det ju s{krast att {ven spara en kopia av filen i ett "rent" format=20 (oftast kallat n}got s}dant som "DOS-text", etc). =20 > H{lsningar fr}n Gotvik >=20 Dito fr}n Holmrike. /UlfR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud =A6 Beware of strong drink. It can=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@k1h.ki.se =A6 make you shoot at tax collectors Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 =A6 and miss. From nordmark-request Mon Jun 6 15:48:28 1994 Received: from kantti.helsinki.fi (kantti.Helsinki.FI [128.214.4.16]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA12947 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 15:48:26 +0200 Received: from serifos (serifos [128.214.4.64]) by kantti.helsinki.fi (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA02703; Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:48:27 +0300 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:38:50 +0300 (EET DST) From: Antti Leino Sender: leino@cc.Helsinki.FI Reply-To: leino@cc.Helsinki.FI Subject: Baronikröningen i Aarnimetsä To: Nordmark mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Status: RO Denna=20annons=20kommer=20att=20publiceras=20i=20n=E4sta=20Dr= agon's=20Tale,=20men=20ni=20skulle=20kanske g=E4rna=20l=E4sa=20den=20i=20f=F6rhand.=20Tyv=E4rr=20vet=20ja= g=20inte=20vem=20som=20=E4r=20Nordmarks=20kronik=F6r nuf=F6rtiden,=20s=E5=20jag=20hoppas=20att=20n=E5gon=20p=E5=20= listan=20kan=20skicka=20annonsen=20till=20Sparren (om=20juli-nummret=20inte=20=E4r=20ute=20=E4nnu). V=E4lkomna, =09Pietari ---------=20Begin=20Forwarded=20Message=20------------ =09Aarnimetsa=20Baronial=20Investiture =09=09July=2016--17=201994 The=20Shire=20of=20Aarnimetsa=20invites=20all=20people=20of=20= Drachenwald=20to=20witness=20the elevation=20of=20our=20Shire=20to=20Baronial=20status,=20and=20= the=20Investiture=20of=20Lady Anna=20von=20Urwald=20as=20our=20Baroness. The=20event=20will=20be=20held=20in=20Helsinki=20at=20the=20b= anquet=20hall=20of=20the Ostrobothnian=20Nations=20of=20the=20University=20of=20Helsin= ki=20(Toolonkatu=203=20A,=204th floor).=20The=20site=20opens=20at=209=20am=20on=20Saturday,=20= July=2016=20and=20closes=20at=2010=20pm on=20Sunday,=20July=2017.=20The=20site=20has=20no=20beverage=20= or=20pet=20restrictions. The=20fees=20are: =09FIM=2040=09Site=20fee,=20including=20crash=20space=20and=20= breakfast =09FIM=2060=09Site=20fee=20for=20reservations=20after=20July=20= 5 =09FIM=2080=09Feast;=20off=20board=20included=20in=20site=20f= ee The=20fees=20should=20be=20paid=20through=20Finnish=20postal=20= giro=20to=20SCA-Aarnimetsa, account=20800019-530651.=20If=20this=20is=20not=20possible,=20= you=20can=20pay=20at=20the=20door; either=20way,=20send=20reservations=20to=20the=20autocrat.=20= We=20will=20send=20a=20map=20along with=20the=20confirmation=20of=20your=20reservation. Autocrat: =09Andreas=20(Tommi=20Orpana) =09Servin=20Maijan=20tie=2012=20I=20127 =09FIN-02150=20Espoo =09Finland =09Phone:=09+358-0-468=203259 =09=09+358-81-342=20379=20(when=20out=20of=20town=20visiting=20= his=20parents) =09e-mail:=09torpana@vinkku.hut.fi From nordmark-request Wed Jun 8 11:29:57 1994 Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA16455 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:29:56 +0200 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA07161 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:15:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:15:13 +0200 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199406080915.AA07161@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Vinkaren Status: RO Halaa paa hoegen, det aer Frithiof som hojtar! Jahapp, nu aer den haer. Den nya versionen av waivern staar paa den blankett foer foernyande av medlemskap som jag fick haeromdagen. (Schysst foeressten, det staar att man foer att slippa en "lapse" i medlemsskapet skall sse till att registryt har den nya blanketten senast sista arbetsdagen i maanaden innan ens medlemsskap gaar ut. Mitt medlemsskap gaar ut i Juni, och brevet aer poststaemplat 31 Maj....) Saa haer ser i alla fall waivern ut: Assumption of Risk of Injury and Release of SCA from Liability I desire to be a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. (SCA) and to participate in events and activities sponsored by SCA. I understand and acknowledge that participation in SCA events and activities is potentially dangerous, both because of the nature of the event or activity and because of the possibility that some condition of the property where the event or activity is to be held may cause injury to me. I acknowledge and understand that SCA will not permit me to participate in SCA events or activities unless I agree to all of the terms and conditions in this document, and that is acceptable to me. In return for the SCA's permission to allow me to participate in SCA events and activities, I agree as follows: 1. I expressly assume the risk of any injury whatsoever, no matter how serious or what its nature, no matter what its cause, whether caused by active or passive negligence of SCA or anyone else, by a condition of property, or by any other cause. 2. I expressly relese from liability, agree and covenant not to sue SCA, any SCA agent, SCA empoyee, SCA independent contractor or any other person for any injury I may receive arising out of participation in any SCA event or activity, no matter how serious the injury is or what its nature is, and no matter what its cause. 3. I expressly agree to defend, hold harmless and to indemnify SCA and its agents respecting any claim made against SCA or its agents arising out of my participation in any SCA event or activity. 4. I have read and understood each of the terms and conditions in theis document and understand that my agreement to them is a condition of my membership in the SCA and my participation in SCA events and activities. _THIS_IS_A_LEGAL_DOCUMENT.__YOU_SHOULD_NOT_SIGN_UNLESS_YOU_HAVE_READ_IT_AND_ _UNDERSTAND_IT.__ __________________________________ _______________________________ Print Legal Name Signature (legal name) Dated:____________________________ *IF MINOR PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN MUST SIGN BELOW The undersigned is the parent or legal guardian of the minor whose name appears above and understands that the minor cannot participate under any circumstances in armored marshal arts, fencing, marshalling, archery, scouting or banner-bearing in combat and cannot participate in any other events or activities unless I indemnify SCA as specified. Therefore, the undersigned shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless SCA for any claim arising out of any injury to the minor in any way connected with any SCA event or activity, including all damages and attorneys fees incurred by SCA. __________________________________ _______________________________ Print Name (Parent or Guardian) Signature (Parent or Guardian) Dated:____________________________ Saa vitt jag foerstaar betyder detta inte bara att jag tar paa mig risken att bli skadad under ett event, utan ocksaa att jag tar pa mig alla kostnader ifall naagon annan blir skadad, OAVSETT VAD SOM ORSAKADE SKADAN! Se punkt 3. ovan! Jag taenker inte skriva under detta innan jag laatit en jurist titta paa det, vilket jag aer i faerd med. Jag kommer igen naer jag faatt besked fraan denne. Frithiof From nordmark-request Wed Jun 8 12:00:40 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA16720 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:00:40 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA02349; Wed, 8 Jun 94 12:05:07 +0200 Subject: Re: Vinkaren To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 12:01:24 +0200 Message-Id: <940608.120124.76323@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO ... (text till den nya waivern)... > >Saa vitt jag foerstaar betyder detta inte bara att jag tar paa mig >risken att bli skadad under ett event, utan ocksaa att jag tar pa mig >alla kostnader ifall naagon annan blir skadad, OAVSETT VAD SOM ORSAKADE >SKADAN! Se punkt 3. ovan! Jag taenker inte skriva under detta innan jag laatit >en jurist titta paa det, vilket jag aer i faerd med. Jag kommer igen naer jag >faatt besked fraan denne. > > Frithiof En ganska akut fr}ga g{ller alla som ska till Pennsic, d{r man kan bli tvungen att skriva p} det h{r f|r att |verhuvudtaget bli insl{ppt. SCA:s VD Provine l{r ha f|rklarat att _alla_ deltagande vid _alla_ officiella evenemang _ska_ skriva p} varje g}ng, _utan att stryka eller {ndra_ i texten, annars riskerar de avst{ngning, uteslutning osv osv osv. F|r evenemang inom Drachenwald g{ller att vi ska avvakta vidare besked, utredning p}g}r, men den som t{nker }ka till USA g|r b{st i att ta reda p} vad hans/hennes resef|rs{kringsbolag s{ger om saken. Avtalar man bort sina r{ttigheter p} ett s{tt som f|rs{kringsbolaget inte godk{nner och sedan blir stucken av en geting och f}r en allergisk reaktion (eller n}t; jag v}gar knappt t{nka p} en ev. skada i samband med k{mpalekar), kan det bli t{mligen s} allvarligt, f|r att inte n{mna dyrt. - Ett intyg fr}n ett svenskt f|rs{kringsbolag kan d{remot vara bra att sl} centrala SCA i skallen med. De f}r just nu en del av den varan fr}n amerikanska bolag. - Ni som har tagit reda p} n}got kring det h{r, h|r av er!!! H{lsningar, /Catrin From nordmark-request Wed Jun 8 13:41:58 1994 Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA17695 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:41:57 +0200 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA37194 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:41:55 +0200 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA03931 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:41:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 13:41:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199406081141.AA03931@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: vinkare X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO H{lsningar fr}n Celemon, Jag ringde upp min far och fr}gade om waivern (pensionerad domare i Uppsala tingsr{tt och f|re detta justitier}d). Han r}dde mig att inte skriva under den, framf|r allt om jag t{nkte bes|ka USA; jag vidarebefordrar h{rmed detta r}d till alla p} n{tet. Den {r antagligen inte giltig i Sverige, eftersom skador orsakade av kriminellt handlande alltid g}r att beg{ra skadest}nd f|r, oavsett vad man skrivit under. M.a.o.; om man skadas vid en tornering kan man inte f} skadest}nd i Sverige, oavsett om man skrivit under n}got eller inte, om inte den som skadade en befinns skyldig till misshandel eller dylikt. Det {r {nd} oklokt att skriva under, eftersom den fritar alla, {ven icke-SCAiter fr}n ansvar f|r ens skador - om n}gon av ovarsamhet f|rst|r ens paviljong kan man allts} inte f} ers{ttning! Celemon From nordmark-request Wed Jun 8 14:14:02 1994 Received: from eddie.ludd.luth.se (bubba@eddie.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.8]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA17972 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:14:01 +0200 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by eddie.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA04528 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:12:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199406081212.OAA04528@eddie.ludd.luth.se> Subject: vinkaren suger... To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (sca) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:12:32 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 626 Status: RO Salve allihopsens... Det l}ter som om BoD's nya vinkare suger. BoD f|rser oss verkligen med nya, goda sk{l att riva organisationen och bygga en ny en utan (urs{kta uttrycket) fascistisk toppstyrning. Kanske lite radikalt uttryckt, men varje grupp beh|ver sina gaphalsar och jag tar g{rna p} mig den rollen. :) ha de bra - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga * U.J|rgen \hman Frostheim * U.Joergen Oehman (NHL-spelling) Barony of Nordmark * Kingdom of Drachenwald * bubba@ludd.luth.se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Wed Jun 8 14:15:27 1994 Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA18004 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:15:25 +0200 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA23909 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:15:21 +0200 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA04151 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:15:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 14:15:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199406081215.AA04151@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: Please help! X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO H{r kommer en b|n om hj{lp fr}n USA. Jag kommer att st{lla ut en hatt el. dyl i Visby; andra som vill hj{lpa till har adressen nedan. Celemon >Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 10:08:40 -0400 (EDT) >From: Gregory D Dearborn >Sender: Gregory D Dearborn >Reply-To: Gregory D Dearborn >Subject: Please help! >To: sca-reform@MIT.EDU >Cc: greg.dearborn@analog.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >X-Charset: MACINTOSH >X-Char-Esc: 29 > > >Greetings to all good gentles from Gareth of Stonemarche. > >As you know, a California court upheld the right for the membership to >the Corporate books of account. This legal action was very expensive and >largely financed by a small group of people. These people are not rich. >There is some chance that they will be awarded court costs sometime in the >next several months. "Court costs" is not the same as "legal costs" in >the state of California--they still have hefty legal bills to pay. There >are other expenses as well--the phone bill is infernal--and these folks >are just scraping by. > >I don't think this is a fair situation. The entire Society will enjoy the >benefit of the legal action, but just a handful are paying for it. You've >heard all the rhetoric before--There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch, >the Price of Freedom, etc. Just think for a moment what that really >means. I am not talking about folks whose sacrifice means that they are >eating hamburgers instead of Filet Mignon, or putting off discretionary >purchases until after Pennsic. I'm talking about people who bet the >mortgage money to guarantee basic rights of the membership. They paid in >advance, they are still paying, they will be paying for years, and they >paid big--for *you*. > >Do the right thing. Pick one moderate discretionary purchase--a new bow, a >boxed set of CDs, a software game, a bolt of fine cloth, or whatever >your budget defines "moderate"--and instead donate the money to the legal >fund. It's not fun, and I can't guarantee a warm fuzzy feeling. >But in your heart, you know it is the thing to do. > >Contributions are being collected by J. Terry Nutter (Lady Angharad ver' >Rhuawn), 2511 Manchester St., Blacksburg, VA 24060. She may be reached by >email at jtn@vtopus.cs.vt.edu or by telephone at (703) 552-1598. Please >make any checks sent payable to J. Terry Nutter/CSOS. A full accounting >for the use of all donations will be promptly available by request with SASE. > >Your Servant, >Gareth > >gdd@world.std.com > > >Please propagate this message to all concerned gentles. Thank you! > > From nordmark-request Thu Jun 9 09:03:34 1994 Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.1.3]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28832 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:03:26 +0200 Received: from localhost (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA29932 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:02:48 +0200 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199406090702.JAA29932@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Hur "Vinkaren" mottagits i West To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List (Prath|gen)) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 9:02:45 MET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL11] Status: RO Salve, alla på prathögen - Peder här. På Rialto hittade jag följande inlägg, som jag fann intressant, och därför vidarebefordrar jag nu det till "Högen" /Peder ________________________________________________________________________ ;From: djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt) ;Newsgroups: rec.org.sca ;Subject: Re: Kingdoms in Non-compliance to BOD ;Date: 8 Jun 1994 18:22:37 GMT ;Message-ID: <2t529d$jko@agate.berkeley.edu> (Hal posting from Dorothy's account....) Attached to this posting are the two letters I have sent to Sedalia on the subject of the new waivers. Anyone who wants to suggest new points for me to bring up after reading these should feel free to send e-mail to this account with those suggestions. While the approach I am making is neither as active or dramatic as that of Ansteorra or Calontir, I think that the different approaches may be beneficial. --Hal Ravn (Hal Heydt) ------------------------------------- Wilson H. Heydt, Jr. (Hal Ravn) 1145 Talbot Ave. Albany, CA 94706 19 May 1994 E. L. Ellis (Sedalia McNare) Seneschal of the Society 18 Liverpool Ct. Jackson, NJ 08527 Unto Sedalia McNare, Seneschal of the Society, from Hal Ravn, High Constable of the West; Greetings.... Having received a copy of your "Report to the Seneschals" yesterday, and noting that this is my first OFFICIAL report of actions taken at the April Board of Directors Meeting, I note that the Board wishes changes made that affect the procedures within my office. Specifically--the new waiver. Even if I could see no problems with the document, the Board's expressed policy, conflict with previously existing (and probably unchanged) PUBLISHED items in the Society's governing documents, and major questions concerning this change relating back to the publically stated intentions of the Board over the last year and a half, there simply is not time to implement such a policy change on your schedule. My first question is: who determined the start date for use of the new waiver? Surely, after the fiasco over the new membership cards, which took the better part of a year to be implemented--and implemented very badly with that much lead time--you are not suffering from any delusions that the Society makes changes quickly? On substantive issues, I have several questions and many problems with the new waiver. To begin with, your letter notes that no changes may be made to the text. Since the waiver contains no way to distinguish between members and non-members (as my present Gate forms do), and no way to determine threshhold ages for minors, this form will result is a degradation of already weak (though adequate) accounting of site fees and donations. It will also eliminate any chance of gathering the statistical data that are at the heart of the commonly held contention that the Society has many many active non-members. In your letter you state that forms are available from the Central Office. Is it your intent that I be able to order these forms in bulk for redistribution to all Western Constables, or would it be preferable for me to send a set of mailing labels, a cover letter for duplication, and the quanties needed by each Constable? Please note that the initial quantity I will need as Kingdom Constable will probably be in the range of 5000. I will need this ON HAND before the actual implementation date. My four Principality Constables will probably need 1000 to 2000 to begin with. These figures do not include enough to cover fighting practices, since (as you state), there is generally not any form of established Gate at that activity. How many the Marshalls will need is anyone's guess. I would not be surprised, however, if their quantities run in excess of my requirements. The West, as you are surely aware, encompasses several countries other that the United States. Most obvious is Australia. What little I know of Australian law suggests that, not only is this waiver not binding in Australian law, but it may be flatly illegal to even ask that it be signed. Has the SCA's counsel (who I presume is the author of this document) even CONSIDERED the laws of other nations? Then there are the questions about the other countries the West covers: Taiwan (with which country we don't even have formal diplomatic relations), Japan, Korea, and Tinian. Guam is a US territory, but local politics there appear to be quite conservative, and absent a knowledgable source, I hesitate to even speculate about potential problems. I have the explicit statement from a practicing attourney in the State of California that the waiver text is "over broad." Having read it, I have to agree. That document holds everything but the kitchen sink harmless and promises recompense to the Society for actions having nothing to do with the Society or any of its members or officials. Is it the Board's intention to reduce the size of the Society? The indemnification clause is one that several of the people I know will flatly refuse to sign--including the lawyer I just mentioned. I know many people who have no intention of ever suing the Society, but who will balk at promising to pay the Society's legal bills for (potentially) third party actions. Locally, we have people who work in the Health Insurance field. While not in a position to give legal opinions, they have noted that there are clauses in the waiver that will invalidate the medical insurance of many people. I think you can see why this can (and probably will) be seen as reaching too far. Surely it is not the Board's intent to prevent collecting on legitimate medical claims should some event injure a Society member? If you knew that your medical insurance wouldn't pay for anything that happened while you were covered by that waiver would YOU sign it? As near as I can tell, this waiver prevents legal actions against any stray non-SCA folk that may wander onto site. I don't know about the conditions at events that you are familiar with, but many of our events are held in open, public parks. In some cases, we do not have any authority at all to chase strays away--let alone actually bar them from the premises. The best we can do is to see that they don't wander too close to the field. This waiver doesn't protect the Society from such "strays," and even requires SCA folk to pay for any actions such "strays" start. Note that this has nothing to do with whether or not any legal actions arising from such persons have anything whatever to do with the Society. Under this waiver, if some random person walks up and punches you in the nose--you have promised not to take legal action against him. When the indemnification clause is considered, anyone signing the waiver has promised to pay the Society's bills if the Society decides to sue the guy that punched you in the nose. Don't you think that's going a little too far? Six months ago, I would have considered it unlikely that the Society would ever try to collect its fees from those attending an event, but recent actions--including having to be told by a Court to obey its own By-Laws--does not give me any sense that such an outrage would be avoided. Best, I think, not to give the Society any opening wedge to make the attempt. At best, there is an asterisk missing. Probably at the end of the bold face, all caps, underlined text that begins "This is a legal document..." As the waiver appears, I must question that it can be properly executed by any minor, since the name and signature block appears immediately below that statement. I ask you to imagine trying to tell a court that a minor--ANY minor--"read and understood" that text. I know entirely too many adults that don't know what "indemnify" means to make any assumptions about minors. To the best of my understanding of the law, in California at least, an adult may not legally waiver a minors right to sue. Given that, and absent anyone who knows different, I must assume that this waiver is completely worthless for any minor, and being worthless in this context is a complete waste of time, energy, and paper. The language of the waiver makes it unclear how extensive the activities covered are. Does making an ice run to the nearsest store come within the meaning of this waiver? The language certainly permits such an interpretation if the trip involved wouldn't have taken place if the event from which the run is made wasn't held. Again this speaks to the extreme breadth of the language. Since, as I noted above, many of our sites do note have controllable entry points, I can make no promise that everyone "on site" has signed in. I can, at best, make a good faith effort to see that all participants have signed in, and I can try to persuade as many random outsiders as are willing to do so. I do not begin to pretend that this is complete coverage, and barring large sums of money to hire security guards, it's really the best that can be done at sites with controlled entrances. Such an heavy-handed waiver won't make this effort any easier. This waiver gives every incentive to anyone who wishes to participate at an event to deliberately evade the Gate--thus avoiding the waiver AND avoiding paying site fees. I must take exception to the Board creating incentives for dishonest or unchivalrous behavior. In addition, such avoidance has the potential to severely impact the revenues of groups hosting events, and (potentially) the Society itself. At the same time, it actually increases the liability risks. I would suggest that a simpler, less legally tight, waiver might actually do more to reduce the risk of litigation than one that is so tight it squeaks. Indeed, a simple "Informed Consent" document would probably do as much to actually protect the Society as this waiver really does. Has anyone taken a serious look at the documents signed for various amateur athletic activities? Our own history shows that that SCA combat is safer than any commonly played sport. During the January 1993 Board meeting in Milpitas, the stated reason for requiring membership for fighters was to reduce paperwork. It can hardly be claimed that that policy has been given a fair trial-- especially in light of the very poor way in which it was implemented. This requirement removes any such justification. Yes, I read the "belt and suspenders" argument, and I must say that I wasn't impressed by it. I also read the "what if the rules change" argument and wasn't much impressed by that, either. On another point (below) I will show the second edge to THAT reasoning. For an active fighter, you are effectively stating that one waiver won't do--you want over 100. Surely this is absurd. If you go and talk to those who are fighting you will quickly come to realize that the fighters are probably the least likely threat to the financial well-being of the Society. The very people that are most likley to sue are the same ones that will evade signing this waiver for any of a number of reasons--from disliking it to being completely unconnected to the Society. When you get right down to it, you're asking the wrong people to sign. Surely you are aware that SCA combat rules change rather slowly now. Each rules change is generally heralded by much discussion and the "fighting community" is well aware of the pending changes. In most cases, the practical effect of most rules changes is to codify what has already become standard practice. The fear that someone will sue over a rules change within any given two-year period is to express a great distrust in the very people that your are asking to be honorable enough to sign this waiver at the Gate and at practice sessions. Clearly there is a problem with depending on such logic. If you can't trust the fighters to behave honorably with respect to rules changes, how can you expect them to behave honorably with respect to abusive documentation requirements? For that matter, if this is such a serious matter that implementation is urgent, why wasn't it brought up during the year long debate over requiring fighter to be members? You have made the argument that individuals may make claims based on the idea that the rules changed after they signed their membership waiver. Aside from the fact that you are now requiring them to sign a different waiver than they signed initially, there is the problem of various officers---including Royalty. You and the Board have "changed the rules" in mid-stream. If a King who won a Crown Tourney BEFORE this change doesn't wish to sign it, and one of the arguments for it is about "rules changes," what counter-arguments do you propose I use? Under your own reasoning, I can't make an issue of it. In such a case, the King is correct. He shouldn't have to abide by such a change. As it is, this Kingdom has both Crown and FOUR Coronets that predate this change. The same logic applies to all Officers whose term of office began before this change. In the extreme case, it could be applied to everyone whose membership predates the change. Do you have any suggestions? Unlike the current waiver that has been used for non-members for some years, this waiver has no place to name the site owner. This places any signatory in the interesting position of signing a promise not to sue without any indication of who it is that promise applies to. Would YOU promise not to sue some unspecified person? Now that I have dealt with the substantive problems with this waiver, I wish to deal with some of the logistics. In order to implement use of this waiver, I have a "pipeline" to fill. Even if there are not text changes for foreign countries (and I understand informally that such is not the case), that "pipeline" extends to Australia. Mail to Australia can take over a month and in some cases never arrives at all. Prior to the date of implementation, I will need assurances from my deputy in Lochac that the waivers have arrived. This requires that I get positive confirmation of that fact BEFORE I tell this kingdom to go ahead and use these waivers. Note that this requires no less than three trans- oceanic mailings--of potentially six weeks each. If there are losses enroute or problems with legality (which I think there are), the process could take quite some time. That's one country.... This waiver will require revisions to the West Kingdom Cosntable's Handbook. Those revisions must be drafted and distributed. Until all the issues with the waiver are settled, there isn't a lot of point to beginning the revision process. Since the West permits minors on site without their parent or guardian, there will need to be enough time between the initial distribution of the waivers and the implementation date to permit copies to get to the parents of such minors as attend events without their parents. In all, I think you see why, in light of both implemetation problems and problems with the waiver itself, a June 1 implementation is out of the question. I look forward to your reply dealing with the points I have made so that I can move forward with implementation in a timely manner. I will endeavor to minimize the "turn around time" in any correspondence so as not to place undue delays in this process. In Service, Wilson H. Heydt, Jr. (Hal Ravn, High Constable of the West) cc: Seneschal, West Crown, West ------------------------------------- Wilson H. Heydt, Jr. (Hal Ravn) 1145 Talbot Ave. Albany, CA 94706 27 May 1994 E. L. Ellis (Sedalia McNare) Seneschal of the Society 18 Liverpool Ct. Jackson, NJ 08527 Unto Sedalia MacNare, Seneschal of the Society does Hal Ravn send Greetings.... Thank you for your letter of 24 May in response to my questions and concerns about the new waivers. The Seneschal of the West provided me with an official copy of your letters and the new waiver, but I had seen parts of it quoted in various other sources. Since what I got from Siobhan included your cover letter of 2 May XXIX to Kingdom Seneschals, I have it next to me as I write this and I wish to take the liberty of quoting from it. ".... your Royalty and other Officers on the IKD are recieving it via regular mail ...." Were I to receive such a letter, I would assume that the original sender intended to distribute it directly, and not expect me to forward copies to other Kingdom-level officers. Indeed, I can find nothing in the cover letter calling for additional distribution. On the issue of referring my remarks to Mr. Provine, I note that your letter also states, "If you have any questions about the waiver policy, please direct them to the Executive Director, or to me." Because the problems with the policy arise from within the ranks of Society members, and because some significant fraction of the problems evident to me relate to the policy, I directed my remarks to you as someone who has the greater familiarity with the practical behavior and operations of SCA events. I fear that Mr. Provine does not share that familiarity, in spite of my efforts to invit him to major West Kingdom events. Some years back, somebody recommended a practice he called "Management by Walking Around." The writer said that managers unfamiliar with the actual workings of the activities under their authority were in a very poor position to manage those activities effectively. On the numbered points in your letter of 24 May: 1. Did anyone advise Mr. Provine that implementation on such a short schedule was unlikely to work? A longer planned implementation might actually have had a chance of putting such a new document into use earlier that a crash implementation. I draw your attention to the fact that the change to the "Blue Cards" is still having teething problems after several months in effect. That change was handled entirely at the central office. The change in waivers will be done throughout the Society. As for the liability exposure... This is at least the fourth waiver to be floated or used in the Society within the last year. The bald statement that we suddenly have a severe liability exposure, so often repeated wears a little thin. Is there anyone in the SCA corporate administration who is prepared to give specifics? At the January Board meeting I specifically asked about the Society's history in this area. At that time, no member of the Board was able (apparently) to give a coherent answer. Have things changed in the last five months? HAS the Society ever been sued over combat activity? Successfully? I suspect we are dealing not with "risk of liability" but with the "fear of liability." While some degree of fear is reasonable, the Society's history suggest that the current level of fear is overexagerated. Since neither Mr. Provine nor Mr. Seely has an actual experience at SCA events, I feel that they are both working in the dark with this issue. 2. I fear that you have mistaken at least one issue with minors. The break-point used for reduced site fees is not normally the age of majority. The most common change point used at major Western events is 12 years old--well below the age of majority. There is nothing on the waiver as distributed that permits us to track this for accounting purposes. Likewise, there is nothing there that allows us to track those minors that are not charged at all because of their extreme youth. 3. Thank you for agreeing that some form of marking member vs. non- member is needed in the waiver. I would suggest that a boxed area be set aside for official use--and that whoever designs the layout of the waiver consult with those who will actually use the forms as to the appropriate contents. This is a point that should not be swept aside. Some "up-front" consultation on forms design would have taken care of many of my concerns--and that kind of consultation has been lacking in several of the Board's actions in recent months. The problem with "further refinements" is that you are effectively telling me that this form is not stable. This is saying that this waiver--in form if not in content--is going to be changing in the near future. In a business environment, this is usually described as "jerking people around," and is not appreciated by the people it happens to. Do you anticipate this situation will be all that different? Please--develop a stable form FIRST, then work out the implementation schedule. That's simply good business practice. As to your last point here, surely you jest. Do you seriously expect SCA folks to fill out TWO forms at Gate? Haven't you seen the scrawls people leave on simple, roster, sign-in sheets now? 4. I'm sorry, this is one of my hot buttons. I was Kingdom Chronicler of the West when Jon deCles was Steward in the early 1970s. At that time, we DID print waivers in The Page--as did the other kingdom newsletters. The only thing worse than printing them was deCles' insistence on individually numbering the damned things. No, I do NOT think that printing waivers in the kingdom newsletters is a practical suggestion. If it were done now, the size of each newletter would probably expand three- or four-fold. Having dealt with that scheme for waivers I know only too well that great care must be taken to see that two waivers are not printed back-to-back and that extra waivers are available for family members. Please believe me when I tell you not to open this can of worms again. The reason that, given Mr. Provine's implementation schedule, I would probably need an initial supply of about 5,000 copies is that I have two large events coming in the next few weeks. First there is June Crown Tourney which takes place from 17 June to 19 June. For that event, I expect 1,200 people on site. Over the July 4th weekend is the West-An Tir War. At that event, attendence is likely to be in the neighborhood of 1,500 to 2,000. Since I prefer to supply a significant number of waivers and sign-in sheets to the autocrat of an event ahead of time, ideally I should have twice as many forms as I anticipate needing in the near term. From the figures I have given here, you can see that (ideally) I should have about 6,500 forms just to cover those two events. However, as I would use the blanks left over from June Crown for the West-An Tir War, the requirement drops to closer to 5,500. This, of course, assumes that the leftover forms are actually blank. The usual practice is to fill in the fixed portion of the forms prior to duplication. This practice ensures that the signed forms actually contain the relevant information about the site and site owner. I do not fool myself into thinking that individuals will do this on individual forms. So the Gate personnel (or someone) must fill out the forms beforehand. To wait till afterwards, and fill in the blanks after the waivers are signed, would almost certainly void the waivers ("But I didn't know what it said when I signed it!"). This places me in a cleft stick. This new policy forces me to chose among several poor alternatives. I can find some way to get that information onto the forms--such as a custom made set of rubber stamps for each event. I can cause the kingdom to absorb large duplication costs. I can ask that the forms supplied from the central office come preprinted. In each of the two latter cases (certainly the easiest for me), the leftover forms are unusable. I leave it to your imagination which alternative I prefer. 5. While it is true that most of the members in the Far West are US military personnel, I don't think it helps with regard to this waiver. I know that there have been US civilians active in the Far West in the past, including at least one Baron. Such people would (presumably) be subject to local Civil Law. Besides that issue, there is certainly no guarantee that the sites used will be on military bases. Using local facilities would make civil liability subject to local law. 6. I share your sentiments about the variety of opinions available from the legal profession. Like economists, if laid end to end they would all point in different directions. However, all the lawyers I know that have seen the waiver are consistent in their opinion of it: they would refuse to sign it. There is, ultimately, one set of lawyers whose opinion counts. Let us hope that neither this or any other waiver language depends upon the opinion of a majority of the US Supreme Court. What appears to be at stake here is a waiver that a great number of people I know are unwilling to sign with the present text. Given that, I must ask you: do you think thinning the ranks of active SCA folk is worth such an attempt at absolute safety? Especially in light of the commonly-held opinion that all a waiver is good for is an indication of intent? 7. While it is true that some indemnification language has been in use for some time, it has not been as strongly worded. Ultimately, I think that the need for a "Waiver of Liability" should be challenged altogether. An "Informed Consent" might better suit the Society's needs. Has anyone investigated what other sports, especially martial arts groups and the Civil War Reenactment groups use? 8. It's a good thing the waiver isn't designed to prevent suits by non-SCA participants, because I can see no way that it could. The problem I see is that it makes SCA participants technically responsible for SCA legal costs incurred by such suits. The waiver creates a distinctly asymmetrical relationship. What concerns me is that this waiver language is creating the incentive for people attending events simply to avoid Gate, to the detriment of both the Society and to the group hosting the event. It is the INCENTIVE portion of this that concerns me in this and other recent Board actions. I agree that a good faith effort is all that should be needed, but that requires good faith on the part of the Board and the Corporate Officers. Such good faith has been noticeably lacking lately. The responses that I anticipate are in reaction to what has happened at the corporate level--not actions taken in isolation. There is considerable feeling that the Board has broken faith with the membership, and these changes do nothing to allay these feelings. 9. I am not disputing that Royalty and Officers should sign waivers. I merely note that your own argument about changing rules after the fact, and protests that could arise from such changes, apply equally to this sort of change. Since all combatants in the Crown Lists and all officers must be members, they have already signed waivers-- waivers that you imply are insufficient to protect the Society from their actions. Where is the "good faith" in that? Does the Board so little trust the Royalty and Kingdom Offciers to act "in good faith" that membership waivers aren't good enough? I consider such a position insulting. It is a direct slap at MY integrity--and I've been in the Society longer than anyone now serving on the Board. There are many ways to "uphold Law and Corpora." The problem with putting the issue that way is that it invites strict adherence to the letter with no regard to the spirit. Yes, I can scour our governing documents and obey every jot and tittle therein, but I doubt the results would benefit anyone. There is a medieval proverb: "The Devil can quote Scripture to suit his own purposes." I have no doubt that I can find, within the published Governing Documents, passages that that contravene this waiver and the policies that have been set up concerning it. That way lies madness and the destruction of what the Society has created. The core of what we have is a sport in which the honor of the opponents actually matters. If we all, fighters or not, turn to rules-lawyering to get our way this will change. The winners will whine that what they did was "legal" and all the magic of a world that never was but might have been, will vanish. The origins of the Society are rooted in ideals. Grubbing around in the rules to justify dishonorable acts will destroy those ideals just as surely as dominance by mundane considerations will. I think this may be the true failing of the effort to "professionalize" the Society. It may strip away what makes the Society special. It is this that frightens me most about having individuals in the position to have a strong influence on the direction of the Society, who do not care enough about it to participate in it. I look forward to receiving word from Mr. Provine on the concerns I expressed. I hope that you will use your own SCA experience to advise him and to help him to understand where this policy fails to address real needs of the Society and how the policy, as stated, cannot be implemented on the stated schedule. Where things now stand is that I am writing this in the evening of May 27th. I will make every effort to see that it is posted either today or tomorrow. At best, Mr. Provine will see it on 31 May and that makes it unlikely in the extreme that I will have any word from him on my concerns as early as 1 June--the supposed start date of this policy. Thus, I cannot even begin implementation by that date. As I understand the situation, this policy was enacted as the first order of business at the April Board Meeting and there was essentially no discussion of its merits. This is symptomatic of the recent problems in the governance of the Society--action without thought. At least, action without the thought of the people who must carry out the policies. You wrote of adhering to the governing documents of the Society. That knife cuts both ways. The Board has taken actions in haste where the governing documents call for consultation or without concern for the contents of the governing documents in other ways. If "these are the rules--obey them" is the word from the Board and the Corporate Officers, then those in the trenches will research the rules to find out where the Board has violated them. As you are, no doubt, well aware, we have already seen an instance in which a Court of Law has been used to enforce a clause in those documents. That was an expensive lesson for all concerned. I do not look forward to any repeat of it. Rather, I would prefer to see all levels of the Society work together in amity to solve problems. This takes cooperation between both the governed and the governors. This is contrary to the style of modern American business. The Society is not a modern American business, and no one should attempt to run it like one. The corporation is a "false front" for the Society to survive in the modern world. The corporation, as an agent for the Society should serve the needs of the Society, and not the other way around. Unless and until the governance of the Society ceases to be seen as a top-down, hierarchical autocracy, I predict that there will be a great deal of strain between the formal, legal structure of the corporation and the internal, feudal structure of the Society. There will be near-continuous warfare between the Kingdoms and the Corporate structures. This is extremely bad for the well-being of the Society. Continued too long, it will be an opportunity to find out if the Society can survive without the corporation. But if things get to that point, the corporation won't last long enough to find out the answer, for it is clear that the corporation cannot survive without the Society to support it. In Service to Crown and Kingdom, Wilson H. Heydt, Jr. (Hal Ravn, High Constable of the West) cc: Crown, West Seneschal, West Ombudsman, West Tony Provine From nordmark-request Thu Jun 9 09:16:43 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA29030 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:16:41 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA16238; Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:21:10 +0200 Subject: Re: Latest Board outrage! To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:17:26 +0200 Message-Id: <940609.091726.76730@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO Ett litter{rt bidrag fr}n Andra Sidan P|len, med anledning av BoD, VD och den p}g}ende r|ran. /Catrin >From: HAROLD.FELD@hq.doe.gov >Date: 8 Jun 94 15:28:00 -0400 >Subject: Latest Board outrage! > > The Servant and the Master by Mar Yaakov HaMizrachi > (Based on "A Servant When He Reigneth by R. Kippling) > > Three things the Earth cannot abide, four she will not > brook, > The Godly father numbered them and set them in his book. > Those four tremendous evils, with which mankind is cursed, > A servant when he reigneth, our father entered first > > Yet what then of his masters, who let this servant reign? > They hid in all disasters behind their servant's name. > When he who does their bidding brings unnecessary hells, > Is it fitting that the masters through the blame on someone > else? > > They were chosen for their honor, experience and wit > To oversee our Dreem and to preserve and treasure it. > They chose to give its keeping to a servant uncontrolled. > So they must bear the guilt for all the damage yet untold! > > Don't tell me they're volunteers, for I'll not weep or sob. > Let them take responsibility or else give up the job! > 'Twas they who acted reckless, 'tis them should have to pay, > For giving a mundane the rule of this our SCA! > > Their hands did sign his memos, their voices voted yes, > On this his waiver policy which causes our distress. > So when the urge to pardon comes 'because they're one of > us.' > Remeber it was they who caused the burden and the fuss. > > They would not heed our counsel, they swore that they knew > best > They set their servant over us and brought us to this test. > A servant when he reigneth may be more than ever slave, > But the master is the one who truly broke the pledge he > gave! > From nordmark-request Thu Jun 9 12:48:45 1994 Received: from goliath.unda.fi (goliath.unda.fi [193.64.23.5]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA00428 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:48:31 +0200 Received: from unda.fi (titan.unda.fi) by goliath.unda.fi (5.65c/93.6.3-MAI) id AA11030; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:48:01 +0300 Received: from cute.unda.fi by unda.fi (4.1/MAI-94.2.12) id AA18803; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:48:17 +0300 Received: by cute.unda.fi (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06918; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:49:12 --200 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:49:12 --200 From: jkaksonen@unda.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Message-Id: <9406091049.AA06918@cute.unda.fi> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Our Response (fwd) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 10546 Status: RO ----- Begin Included Message ----- From schuldy@zariski.harvard.edu Thu Jun 9 07:00:04 1994 From: schuldy@zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei) Subject: Our Response (fwd) To: sca-reform@mit.edu (SCA Reform), e5@uriacc.uri.edu (Fifth Estate Mailing List), sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu (West Kingdom Mailing List), antir@Kwantlen.BC.CA (An Tir Mailing List), north@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (north), carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (carolingia) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 23:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jdowney@bigcat.missouri.edu (James T. Downey) Forwarded message: >From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Jun 8 22:55:41 1994 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 21:53:25 -0500 Message-Id: Originator: calontir@unl.edu Errors-To: loren@unlinfo.unl.edu Reply-To: Sender: calontir@unl.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: "James T. Downey" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Our Response (fwd) OOPS, part II James T. Downey / Shadan jdowney@bigcat.missouri.edu Good Gentles: ...it is now time to return to our story... Below you will find a response to Mr. Provine's attempts to ruin Lilies. This is another component in our preparations to meet his anticipated interference. As a general rule, I much prefer to give someone to whom I send such a document fair time to consider it without the glare of public attention. Unfortunately, this whole issue is extremely time-critical, and that is almost entirely due to Mr. Provine's own efforts. Therefore, after consultation with TRM, I have decided to release this document at approximately the same time it has been FAXed to Mr. Provine, and sent via electronic media to him on the Society BBS. Simply put, I want the Known World to know what actions we have taken in response to the threat posed to our Kingdom. This information may prove critical prior to the Board meeting which is scheduled for tomorrow evening. Again, I wish to stress that we will hold Lilies, whatever Mr. Provine's reply to this missive is, or whatever the Board's actions will be tomorrow night. We are prepared with alternate insurance protection, and can implement additional contingency plans which Baron Pavel referred to if necessary. What Pavel had to say was true in spirit, if not in all the details (which I still prefer to keep off the nets). Complete information will be available at a Kingdom Althing scheduled for the war. As with my previous missives, this one may be forwarded or cross-posted so long as it remains a complete document with these comments. My thanks to those who have voiced their support for our efforts, and for your wishes of success. It is too soon to tell what the outcome will be, but I am cautiously optimistic that we can beat Provine, and then proceed to examine the needs of the Corporation and the Society. Keep your fingers crossed... James T. Downey / Shadan jdowney@bigcat.missouri.edu Kingdom of Calontir Office of the Seneschal June 8, 1994 CERTIFIED MAIL - RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED Also sent via FAX in consideration of the timely nature of the material. Anthony D. Provine, Executive Director Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. Milpitas, California Dear Mr. Provine: You have seen fit to purport to withdraw S.C.A. recognition to Calontir events. You cite two alleged grounds: 1. Because our failure to implement the S.C.A. new waiver policy is a violation "of the rules" that govern the S.C.A.; and 2. That our failure to implement the new waiver "requirement" is a danger to the S.C.A. Neither of these alleged grounds is valid. The new Waiver requirement is not one of the rules that govern the S.C.A. In fact, it is entirely contrary to these rules. Among the rules of the S.C.A. are the governing and policy decisions and, in particular, Governing and Policy Decision No. 13 (July 1986, Revised April, 1993), which as enacted stands as follows: "13. GENERAL MEMBERSHIP WAIVERS 1. (Note change indicated takes effect January 1, 1994.) The General Membership Waiver shall be incorporated into the Membership Application form, to be filled out by the prospective or renewing member at the time of the Membership Application form is filled out. The waiver covers attendance and participation at Society events at which combat related activities occur. 2. A new Membership Card with a condensed form of the waiver text printed on the back shall be provided to members who have executed the General Waiver as a part of becoming members or renewing their memberships. 3. The new Membership Card is a proof of membership and proof that the waiver is on file, and members with such cards may obtain entrance at any SCA event at which combat occurs by presenting this card and signing a roster of attendees, as opposed to executing a specific waiver. 4. Non-Members and members who have not brought their new membership cards, are still required to execute the existing waiver and informed consent to participate, or the site waiver provided at the event, to attend SCA events at which combat-relate d activities occur." (Emphasis Added) Downey to Provine, 6/8/94, page 2 This was duly enacted by the Board of Directors, acting as a Board. I find nothing in the Articles, By- Laws, Corpora, or Governing and Policy Decisions which would give you authority to overturn this. Approximately 2,000 people are expected at the War of the Lilies. The overwhelming majority of these people have paid dues to the Society in reliance upon, among other things, Governing and Policy Decision No. 13. You have absolutely no authority to amend, or otherwise modify that Governing Board and Policy decision which was adopted by a majority of the Board of Directors. Your attempts to do so are absolutely ultra vires and, therefore, void. Just because there was a motion to overturn your policy during a recent teleconference meeting of the Board, which failed 3-3, does not mean that your policy is valid. The Board erred in not seeing at that time that the policy was already void und er our governing documents, and will surely correct their error during the teleconference meeting on Thursday June 9, 199. You have not had an effective ratification of your ultra vires attempt to unilaterally, without any authority whatsoever to do so, amend the By-Laws of the S.C.A. Your statement that our delay in implementing your utterly unauthorized waiver policy is a danger to the S.C.A. is, under the circumstances, so ludicrous that is scarcely bears mention. The policy itself, not our non-compliance, is a danger to the S.C.A. Your purported withdrawal of recognition, if it were effective, may reasonably by expected to cost the S.C.A. numerous members in Calontir, Ansteorra, the West, and in other Kingdoms. At $35.00 a member per year, this adds up to a great deal of mo ney, for which you personally could be held liable. Insofar as legal liability is concerned, if the waivers are even valid under Missouri Law, (which as a Personal Injury Lawyer with 34 years experience my counsel doubts), their validity would not be enhanced by repeated re-execution. The Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. has an express contractual duty under Governing and Policy Decision No. 13 to require nothing more of a member wishing to attend an official event than a display of that member's membership card and a tend er of the site fee. Those people are entitled to the same insurance coverage enjoyed by all other members of the S.C.A. Therefore, your purported withdrawal of sanctions for all Calontir events is unauthorized and void. Counsel informs me that since your action is wholly ultra vires and void, you stand no higher than any other third party who has tortiously interfered with the provisions of the contract. Accordingly, it will be our position that if anyone is damag ed by your action, they should look directly to you. The persons responsible for running this event certainly will. You might ask your "counsel", whom you have failed to name, to have a quick look at the law of Missouri concerning tortious interference with contract. I am informed by my counsel that punitive damages are allowable. I am informed by counsel that i t would be appropriate that the lawsuit be against you personally, since you have acted utterly without authority. In addition, counsel is looking into the possibility of a derivative lawsuit against you on behalf of the corporation to seek reimbursement for the damage to it's reputation and of the dues income which it has lost and is reasonably certain to lose in the future on account of your ultra vires acts and, in addition, for any other Downey to Provine, 6/8/94, page 3, last page mismanagement or negligence of which you may be guilty. OF COURSE, NONE OF US WOULD SUE THE SOCIETY OR THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I hereby demand that you immediately by FAX rescind your purported withdrawal of sanction for Calontir events, and in particular, the event known as "The War of the Lilies". I further demand that you immediately also by FAX inform each and every person, including in particular all insurance companies which are involved or may be involved and the Smithville authorities (Mr. John Hartman) of the recision and of the fact that it was unauthorized and void. Counsel who has been advising is Mr. David Q. Reed of 1006 Grand Avenue, Suite 1202, Kansas City, Missouri 64106, telephone number (816) 221-0505. Please do me the courtesy of informing me of the identity, address and telephone number of your counsel. Sincerely, James T. Downey JTD:pp cc: David Q. Reed, Esq. Society Seneschal Society Marshall Society Exchequer Society Chronicler All Society Board Members TRM Calontir Calontir Kingdom Chronicler Calontir Kingdom Earl Marshall Mistress Susannah Griffon, Lilies Autocrat ----- End Included Message ----- From nordmark-request Thu Jun 9 12:48:38 1994 Received: from goliath.unda.fi (goliath.unda.fi [193.64.23.5]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA00426 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:48:05 +0200 Received: from unda.fi (titan.unda.fi) by goliath.unda.fi (5.65c/93.6.3-MAI) id AA10841; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:47:31 +0300 Received: from cute.unda.fi by unda.fi (4.1/MAI-94.2.12) id AA18799; Thu, 9 Jun 94 13:47:48 +0300 Received: by cute.unda.fi (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06915; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:48:43 --200 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 13:48:43 --200 From: jkaksonen@unda.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Message-Id: <9406091048.AA06915@cute.unda.fi> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Provine's Ultimatum (fwd) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 5641 Status: RO Det haender paa andra sidan havet .... ----- Begin Included Message ----- From schuldy@zariski.harvard.edu Thu Jun 9 06:55:31 1994 From: schuldy@zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei) Subject: Provine's Ultimatum (fwd) To: sca-reform@mit.edu (SCA Reform), e5@uriacc.uri.edu (Fifth Estate Mailing List), sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu (West Kingdom Mailing List), antir@Kwantlen.BC.CA (An Tir Mailing List), north@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (north), carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (carolingia) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 23:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jdowney@bigcat.missouri.edu (James T. Downey) Forwarded message: >From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Jun 8 22:54:47 1994 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 21:51:58 -0500 Message-Id: Originator: calontir@unl.edu Errors-To: loren@unlinfo.unl.edu Reply-To: Sender: calontir@unl.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: "James T. Downey" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Provine's Ultimatum (fwd) OOPS...let's try this again... James T. Downey / Shadan jdowney@bigcat.missouri.edu Good Gentles: OK, information junkies... Here is the text of FAXes I received yesterday afternoon from Tony Provine. They pretty well speak for themselves. But I have a couple of things to add: LILIES WILL TAKE PLACE where and when scheduled. We have made contingency plans to cover the relevant issues Mr. Provine mentions to the site operator (insurance), and have additional plans ready to protect the kingdom if necessary. These documents may be forwarded or cross posted, as long as this entire missive is sent unaltered. ...coming next in the continuing saga of TP: "Our Response". Watch for it on a BBS near you! James T. Downey / Shadan jdowney@bigcat.missouri.edu The Society for Creative Anachronism P.O. Box 360743 Milpitas, California 95036-0743 Tel (408) 263-9305 Fax (408) 263-0641 June 7, 1994 Mr. James T. Downey 3301 Greenridge Road Columbia, MO 65202-2228 Dear Mr. Downey: I have received your e-mail message of today. You ask if your kingdom's good faith implementation of the waiver policy would constitute compliance with SCA rules and bring your kingdom under the coverage of our general liability insurance. In response, I repeat that unless your kingdom complies with SCA rules regarding the site waiver requirements, SCA sponsorship for events will be denied and SCA's insurance coverage will not be available. Prior to receiving your message, I had already notified the Director of Smithville Parks, Recreation and Historic Sites that SCA is not taking responsibility for the event. A copy of the letter which was faxed and sent to him is attached. Written assurance is now required, on behalf of the kingdom, stating that your kingdom and its officers intend to implement the site waiver requirements as outlined in the May 22, 1994 memorandum to you. In order for Calontir Lilies War VIII to come under SCA's sponsorship and insurance coverage, we must receive your written assurance by no later than 10:00 a.m. (PST) on Thursday, Jun 9, 1994. Those who have been previously notified of our decision to revoke sponsorship and insurance coverage will receive prompt notification of your kingdom's compliance and our decision to reinstate sponsorship and coverage. Sincerely, Anthony D. Provine Executive Director Enclosure cc: Board of Directors Society Seneschal Calontir Crown The Society for Creative Anachronism P.O. Box 360743 Milpitas, California 95036-0743 Tel (408) 263-9305 Fax (408) 263-0641 June 7, 1994 Mr. John Hartman, Director Parks, Recreation & Historic Sites City of Smithville 2619 N.E. 188th Street Smithville, MO 64089 RE: Reservation of Kelsey Short Youth Camp June ll-20, 1994 Dear Mr. Hartman: This is official notification that the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc. (SCA), does not sponsor, endorse or sanction the activity known as "Calontir Lilies War VIII" to be held at the Kelsey Short Youth Camp at Smithville Lake, June 11-20, 1994, and that the SCA takes no responsibility for the activity. We have recently been notified by the individuals in charge of this event (members of a branch of the SCA, known as the Kingdom of Calontir who reserved the Kelsey Short Youth Camp) that they are unwilling to comply with the rules and requirements which m ust be met in order to receive sponsorship from the SCA. Because of this failure to comply with SCA rules, the SCA must revoke its sponsorship and inform you that the SCA is not associated with the event. Please be aware that SCA will not be responsible in any way to the City of Smithville or to anyone else for any damages, injuries or claims arising from this activity on your premises. Neither SCA's general liability insurance (Sphere Drake policy #19171) , nor any other SCA insurance coverage will be extended for this activity. We have advised those individuals responsible for organizing and arranging this aetivity to cancel this activity if it cannot be held with SCA sponsorship and according to SCA rule s. We have informed them that if they proceed with their plans they do so as individuals without affiliation to the SCA and at their own risk. If you need additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me at 408-263-9305. Sincerely, Anthony D. Provine Executive Director Board of Directors SCA Insurance Agent Mr. James T. Downey, Calontir Seneschal Ms. Susan B. Jackson, Calontir Lillies War Autocrat ----- End Included Message ----- From nordmark-request Thu Jun 9 14:50:39 1994 Received: from eddie.ludd.luth.se (bubba@eddie.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.8]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA01396 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:50:38 +0200 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by eddie.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA00218 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:49:11 +0200 Message-Id: <199406091249.OAA00218@eddie.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Visby?? To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (sca) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 14:49:09 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1046 Status: RO Salve allihopsens, Ulf h{r med lite undringar...... Jag fick en liten pippi i mitt |ra som kvittrade att l{geravgiften i Visby skulle bli 200 kr f|r SCA-medlemmar och 250 kr f|r icke-SCA-medlemmar. [r det ett f|rs|k att efterleva BoS's krav p} $3 eller vad {r det. Tanken slog mig ocks} att det kanske {r 200 f|r sparre-prenumeranter och 250 f|r icke sparre-prenumeranter????? Kommer vinkaren att bli ett obligatoriskt ifyllnadsobjekt??? Har Drachenwald och dess Majest{ter, p{rer och {mbetsm{n snickrat ihop n}gon slags "rekommendationspolicy" f|r hur grupperna "ska" f|rh}lla sig till BoD's svammel (oj...s} klumpigt av mig...jag menar naturligtvis BoD's nyutarbetade best{mmelser och v{l f|rankrade beslut. :) ) areemyckenu Harebra - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga * U.J|rgen \hman Frostheim * U.Joergen Oehman (NHL-spelling) Barony of Nordmark * Kingdom of Drachenwald * bubba@ludd.luth.se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Thu Jun 9 15:49:19 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA01785 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:49:17 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA00929; Thu, 9 Jun 94 15:53:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Visby?? To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 15:50:02 +0200 Message-Id: <940609.155002.77075@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Jag fick en liten pippi i mitt |ra som kvittrade att l{geravgiften i Visby >skulle bli 200 kr f|r SCA-medlemmar och 250 kr f|r icke-SCA-medlemmar. Tja - jag efterlyser vad det kommer att kosta f|r oss som INTE bor i l{gret. Annars finns det en annons i senaste Dragon's Tale med n{stan all info man kan |nska sig. > >[r det ett f|rs|k att efterleva BoS's krav p} $3 eller vad {r det. F|rhoppningsvis inte, eftersom vi inte beh|ver det enligt direktiven - se nedan. > >... > >Kommer vinkaren att bli ett obligatoriskt ifyllnadsobjekt??? F|rhoppningsvis inte, eftersom vi inte beh|ver det enligt direktiven - se nedan. > >Har Drachenwald och dess Majest{ter, p{rer och {mbetsm{n snickrat ihop >n}gon slags "rekommendationspolicy" f|r hur grupperna "ska" f|rh}lla >sig till BoD's svammel (oj...s} klumpigt av mig...jag menar naturligtvis >BoD's nyutarbetade best{mmelser och v{l f|rankrade beslut. :) ) JA. Enligt Drachenwalds drots artikel i senaste Dragon's Tale p}g}r det en utredning om hur de h{r best{mmelserna p}verkar oss _praktiskt_ (t ex kostar det en massa pengar att skicka pengar till USA, och waivern borde ha en annan formulering) och under tiden ska vi inte oms{tta dem i praktiken. Vi ska avvakta vidare info/instruktioner fr}n Drachenwalds drots. D{remot st}r d{r ingenting om huruvida besluten kan ifr}gas{ttas i sig (dvs om viftaren {r n|dv{ndig, praktisk eller ens laglig utanf|r USA, om BoD faktiskt har visat att de extra pengarna beh|vs och om det h{r i s} fall {r det l{mpligaste s{ttet att f} fram dem... ...). S} vi kan inte bara h}lla oss lugna och v{nta p} att "de d{ruppe" ska fixa allting till det b{sta. F|rresten, Drachenwald har f|r tilf{llet ingen ombudsman i BoD, eftersom hon har avg}tt. N{sta BoD-m|te {r den 23 juli och det vore bra om de fick reda p} vad vi i Nordmark/Drachenwald tycker om de h{r p}funden. Man kan l{mpligen skriva till: Duke John Bearkiller John Fulton 2494 Hollins Avenue Memphis, TN 38112 (+1 901 452 9881, om n}gon f}r f|r sig att ringa) Han s{gs i alla fall vara villig att ta till sig vettigt framf|rda argument. Jag hoppas f|rresten att alla har lagt m{rke till ett tidigare mail idag, vidarebefordrat fr}n Amerika, d{r det visas att kravet p} individuell viftare vid alla evenemang strider mot SCA:s "Governing and Policy Decision No. 13", }tminstone vad betr{ffar SCA-medlemmar. "13. GENERAL MEMBERSHIP WAIVERS 1. (Note change indicated takes effect January 1, 1994.) The General Membership Waiver shall be incorporated into the Membership Application form, to be filled out by the prospective or renewing member at the time of the Membership Application form is filled out. The waiver covers attendance and participation at Society events at which combat related activities occur. 2. A new Membership Card with a condensed form of the waiver text printed on the back shall be provided to members who have executed the General Waiver as a part of becoming members or renewing their memberships. 3. The new Membership Card is a proof of membership and proof that the waiver is on file, and members with such cards may obtain entrance at any SCA event at which combat occurs by presenting this card and signing a roster of attendees, as opposed to executing a specific waiver. 4. Non-Members and members who have not brought their new membership cards, are still required to execute the existing waiver and informed consent to participate, or the site waiver provided at the event, to attend SCA events at which combat-relate d activities occur." Det torde bli en del liv kring det h{r. BoD ska visst ha telefonkonferens om bl a viftarna n}gon g}ng i natt v}r tid. Ett par amerikanska jurister har redan haft intressanta synpunkter, t ex av typen "det h{r {r pest och kolera, skriv f|r helsicke inte p}". H{lsningar, /Catrin From nordmark-request Fri Jun 10 07:48:54 1994 Received: from goliath.unda.fi (goliath.unda.fi [193.64.23.5]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA09166 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 07:48:52 +0200 Received: from unda.fi (titan.unda.fi) by goliath.unda.fi (5.65c/93.6.3-MAI) id AA14235; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:48:32 +0300 Received: from togo.unda.fi by unda.fi (4.1/MAI-94.2.12) id AA28392; Fri, 10 Jun 94 08:48:49 +0300 Received: by togo.unda.fi (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21100; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:48:33 --200 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:48:33 --200 From: jkaksonen@unda.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Message-Id: <9406100548.AA21100@togo.unda.fi> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Board Special Meeting X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 524 Status: RO Det ser ut som om mr. Provine har slutat ----- Begin Included Message ----- From Korwyn@aol.com Fri Jun 10 08:42:56 1994 From: Korwyn@aol.com To: antir@Kwantlen.BC.CA Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 01:18:12 EDT Subject: Board Special Meeting I am sure not to be the first but: At the meeting 6/9/94 the Board took the following actions: 1) Appointed Mistress Aelflaed (Sandra Dodd) as interim Executive Director until July. 2) Reversed the waiver policy. Reform, Reclaim and Rebuild Korwyn ----- End Included Message ----- From nordmark-request Fri Jun 10 07:54:47 1994 Received: from goliath.unda.fi (goliath.unda.fi [193.64.23.5]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA09192 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 07:54:45 +0200 Received: from unda.fi (titan.unda.fi) by goliath.unda.fi (5.65c/93.6.3-MAI) id AA14468; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:54:23 +0300 Received: from togo.unda.fi by unda.fi (4.1/MAI-94.2.12) id AA28514; Fri, 10 Jun 94 08:54:40 +0300 Received: by togo.unda.fi (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21104; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:54:24 --200 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:54:24 --200 From: jkaksonen@unda.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Message-Id: <9406100554.AA21104@togo.unda.fi> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Provine's gone! X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 815 Status: RO ----- Begin Included Message ----- From jlv@halcyon.com Fri Jun 10 08:51:36 1994 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 22:28:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Luxueil Subject: Provine's gone! To: Antir's Steps Mime-Version: 1.0 Well, some good news for a change. According to Peter M. Ellis -- Gavin Kilkenny of Kilcarren--(SO to the Society Seneschal) "Tony Provine has been thanked for his services", and Sandra Dodd-- Aelflaed of Duckford has been apointed interim executive director. The waivers are reported to be on hold too. Jean Louis de Chambertin jlv@halcyon.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- I awake each morning torn between the desire to save the world or to savor it. This makes the day hard to plan. ----- End Included Message ----- From nordmark-request Fri Jun 10 09:10:46 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA09615 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 09:10:45 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA06309; Fri, 10 Jun 94 09:15:15 +0200 Subject: Viftaren {r d|d! To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 09:11:32 +0200 Message-Id: <940610.091132.77284@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO Ja, det tycks vara sant, Provine och viftaren {r spolade. H{r {r lite mera k|tt p} benen. - Observera att BoD utreder alternativ till viftaren. Det {r allts} fortfarande angel{get att vi skaffar fram information om vad som g{ller i Sverige, bl a f|r att lagligen (och med giltig resef|rs{kring) kunna vara med och leka i USA. N{sta BoD-m|te {r som sagt den 23 juli. John the Bearkillers adress {r: John Fulton 2494 Hollins Avenue Memphis, TN 38112 (tel +1 901 452 9881) Vem som helst f}r skriva, det m}ste inte g} via n}gra formella kanaler med drotsar, kungliga {mbetsm{n mm mm som mellanh{nder. Om just du har n}got att framf|ra men din engelska inte r{cker till, h|r av dig. /Catrin P.S. Gl|m inte att tredollarsp}slaget finns kvar och {r lika omotiverat som n}gonsin. >Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 22:56:08 -0500 >From: "James T. Downey" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: The Verdict > > >Good Gentles: > >I have some things to pass on. > >I have just been contacted by Randall Tatro, following the Board of >Directors meeting. This information will be conveyed in official format >soon. > >Unofficially: > > The new waiver policy has been put into abeyance. If the new >waivers are not used, then the old system must be in effect. The Board >has formed a new committee to investigate a better way of providing the >legal protection needed. The committee will be chaired by John the >Bearkiller, and needs to have relevant legal information before the July >meeting. > > Mr. Tony Provine is no longer acting as the Executive Director of >the SCA, and does not have any official capacity representing the SCA. >Sandra Dodd, recently appointed as Society Chronicler, will handle those >normal duties of the ED which cannot be administered by the staff at the >central office. > At the July meeting the Board will attempt to select either >another interim ED, or find someone to fill the position. > > > >Now, some stuff relevant to Calontir: > > ... (lokala upplysningar och personliga kommentarer strukna) ... > >James T. Downey / Shadan >jdowney@bigcat.missouri.edu > > > From nordmark-request Fri Jun 10 17:21:22 1994 Received: from sunic.sunet.se (sunic.sunet.se [192.36.125.2]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA13480 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:21:21 +0200 Received: from hjds90.hj.se by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id RAA25593; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:21:17 +0200 Received: by hjds90.hj.se (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.38) id ; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:21 MET Received: from TRISSE/M_QUEUE by trisse.hj.se (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:22:25 GMT+100 Received: from M_QUEUE by TRISSE (Mercury 1.12); Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:22:05 GMT+100 From: "Padraig / Anders" Organization: University of Jonkoping, Sweden To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:21:59 MET+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: Tiden rinner... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <2E7FB224A4C@trisse.hj.se> Status: RO Gomiddag, Padde h=E4r... Till min fasa =E4mnar de bygga om n=E4tet p=E5 skolan i sommar. Under tide= n kommer alla anv=E4ndare att f=F6rsvinna, och i h=F6st kommer bara de som fortfarande pluggar att f=E5 ett konto. Det verkar med andra ord som om jag kommer att d=F6, ty jag kan inte leva utan INTERNET :) N=E5v=E4l, jag anv=E4nder givetvis mitt konto s=E5 l=E4nge jag kan, men om= det helt pl=F6tsligt skulle bli pinsamt tyst, s=E5 vet ni vad det beror p=E5. Sommaruppeh=E5llet kommer givetvis att p=E5verka de andra som har konton h=E4r ocks=E5 (Sus/Sionene,Johan Larsson/Will Dagger, Per Ramnelius/Thule). =C4r det f=F6rresten n=E5gon som har n=E5gon listig ide om hur man kan ska= ffa sig tillg=E5ng till INTERNET p=E5 annat s=E4tt. Det jag suktar efter i f=F6rsta hand =E4r email och NEWS. FTP och s=E5nt =E4r v=E4l fint, men definitivt inget jag verkligen beh=F6ver. N=E5v=E4l, vi ses i listen :) L=C4NGE LEVE FLATSIDAN! Padraig / Anders "It was a night, oh what a night, L.A. burnin' bright, oh what a night" - Shock to the system Billy Idol From nordmark-request Fri Jun 10 17:35:34 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA13564 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:35:32 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA25045; Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:40:00 +0200 Subject: A Time For Cheer, A Time For Thought (fwd) To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 17:36:17 +0200 Message-Id: <940610.173617.77564@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 11:00:17 EDT >From: justin@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mark Waks) >To: sca@mc.lcs.mit.edu, sca-reform@MIT.EDU >Subject: A Time For Cheer, A Time For Thought > >The reactions to last night's Board meeting seem to be ranging from >relief to outright jubilation. And so it should be. The Board has made >a real step in the right direction, in recognizing that there are >priorities higher than super-complete protection for the central >Corporation, and in seeing the damage that was being done by Tony's >unfamiliarity with our culture. These changes take a lot of pressure >off, and allow events to go forward that might otherwise have >collapsed completely. > >But I have to point out that this isn't over yet, by a long shot. >The measures that have been causing the assorted strife over the >past few months weren't enacted because Tony Provine (or, for that >matter, Tim Moran) were for some mysterious reason trying to destroy >the SCA. They were done because they are the logical consequences >of the way the SCA is structured. Running a big corporation is >increasingly expensive (not to mention legally tricky) in this >day and age. And those pressures of cost and law aren't going away. > >Further, even with the revocation of the new waiver, we've still >got a Society that is far more rule-bound and centralized than it >was even a year ago. Fighters are still required to be members, for >no particularly good reason. Non-members are still being charged a >great deal extra at the door, for very little service, to support >a budget shortfall that still hasn't been adequately explained. >And there still isn't anything preventing a future Board from >making the sort of panic-driven mistakes they've been making for >the past six months. > >The time of panic and haste may be over. But the time for real >determination has only started. As a Society, we need to recognize >that structures that were designed for a club of a couple of thousand >participants are starting to creak badly now that we're ten times that >size. And that the best solutions may not be to patch those structures >-- it may be to reform them completely, to make more sense in a game >that is becoming a large and diverse culture. > >I've got my own opinions about how to make things work -- it's fairly >clear to me that the answer to most of our worst problems is to change >our orientation from a concentration on the center to a concentration >on where the real work gets done: the local groups. But regardless of >whether you agree with that viewpoint or not, it's important that you >*think* about the issues, and talk about them, coolly, calmly, and >sanely. We need to consider why we're playing this game, and what >really matters to us about it -- and then contemplate structures that >allow us to play it the way we want, without losing sleep the way >we've been doing for the past several months. We need to be brave >about it, and recognize that preserving the spirit of the Society >may require changing some of its forms. > >Frankly, the time has come for the SCA to have a real Constitutional >Convention, to figure out where we should be going. I have some hopes >that the Grand Council could serve as that focal point -- if the Board >pursues the idea vigorously and sincerely, that may happen. But even >such a council has little meaning if the people aren't thinking about >the issues at the same time, and expressing their opinions to the >people at the top. Real change has to come from the grassroots -- and >if the grassroots decide to pretend that everything is okay now, then >we're going to be right back in the middle of crisis in six months. > >With any luck, the bitter divisiveness between the Board and the >reformers can now come to an end, and we can start to really talk. >Both sides have very real concerns, and if we don't address all of >them, we're going to continue to limp along with a Society that's >sort of half-broken. With some sincere co-operation, we may be able >to finally forge something that really works, well enough to carry >the Society forward into the new century ahead. Let's get to it. > > In Service to the Society, and its People, > > Justin du Coeur > Radical in my ends > Conservative in my means > >Random Quote du Jour: > >"Any Khan or King is not measured by his rule(s)... > but by how he is remembered." > -- From _The Unwritten Yasa "Writings on the Wind"_ From nordmark-request Fri Jun 10 17:47:44 1994 Received: from watson.ibm.com (watson.ibm.com [129.34.139.4]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA13648 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:47:43 +0200 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1277; Fri, 10 Jun 94 11:47:42 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 5115; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:47:39 EDT Received: from blinn.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 10 Jun 94 11:47:39 EDT Received: by blinn.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA19091; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:47:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:47:37 -0400 From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Joshua Mittleman) Message-Id: <9406101547.AA19091@blinn.watson.ibm.com> To: antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu, carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, calontir@unl.edu, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, sca-reform@mit.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, rgoff@mcimail.com, 71233.3035@compuserve.com, MMS6824@tntech.edu Note: Please forward to all SCA forums Subject: Provine was only a symptom Reply-To: mittle@watson.ibm.com X-External-Networks: yes Status: RO Greetings from Arval Benicoeur for the Committee to Save Our Society! This week saw the latest battle in the war that the corporation is waging against the Society. The Society offered moderate and well-reasoned objections to the new policies on waivers and non-member surcharges, raising important legal concerns and identifying obvious flaws, contradictions, and implementation problems. In response, the corporation revoked its support of major events, threatened royalty and officers with removal from office and banishment, and endangered the function of the Society in several kingdoms. The Society won this battle, forcing the corporation to back down and eliminate the foci of complaint. But the war continues. In the past days, I have seen many people lay blame for this latest crisis on Tony Provine. "Now that they've gotten rid of Provine," many seem to be thinking, "the Board can solve these problems." While understandable, this comfortable logic is profoundly dangerous. The new waiver policy and the mandatory non-member surcharge were not imposed by the Executive Director. Those decisions were made by the directors at their April meeting and re-affirmed at a telephone meeting within the past two weeks. Mr. Provine was merely implementing their decisions. Now, it is true that the waiver was Provine's recommendation. It is also true that his heavy-handed enforcement exacerbated the crisis. But responsibility for these policies belongs to the Board and only to the Board. At any stage, the directors could have told him nay, but it took Provine's attempt to cancel a major event and the consequent protest from across the Society to prompt the Board to any action at all. That the Board apparently did not foresee the consequences of its decisions does not inspire confidence. We must not allow the Board to claim to have answered our concerns merely by firing Provine. He is a symptom of the real problems. A very annoying symptom, but nothing more than a symptom. Ere I go on, let me make it clear that I respect each and every director who has served the Society. Those I know well, I respect and admire. I know no reason to believe that any one of them has acted with anything but the best intentions. But the time has come to question whether the system that selected them deserves any support at all, and whether a million-dollar corporation can be competently run by the people selected by this system. I say it cannot. The system has collapsed. In the past year, we have had ten directors and four resignations. The Board has not been at its full complement all year. Major policy decisions made six months ago have not been implemented, while decisions made in obvious haste in April have been and in some case are still being enforced with no apparent attempt to address our valid and vital concerns. We have gone through four new waivers in half a year, all of which were clearly issued without proper legal review, let alone discussion with the membership. The Executive Director was scheduled to resign in a few weeks; not only has no permanent successor been chosen, the search has barely begun. The corporation has failed to manage basic paperwork, it has slipped past another insurance crisis by the skin of its teeth, and it can't keep track of its finances. Even at this late date, the corporation could pull us together, work with us to achieve compromise and sensible evolution with substantive reform. Currently the corporation - the Board and all its officers - is driving us apart. We have asked merely for decentralization; the Board is driving us to fragmentation. The changes that the Board has allowed since the January meeting are compelling the individual kingdoms to become completely self-reliant. The more we are forced to make our own way, the harder it will be to re-unite us in one Society. The waiver is only one of many policy changes through which the Board has attempted to re-make the Society for the convenience of the corporation; to believe that this effort will suddenly cease would be the height of naivete. We need real change. We need a new system designed to serve the Society, not a new Society tortured to protect the corporation. I pray that we all can focus on these unavoidable needs and not be distracted by festering symptoms. =========================================================================== Arval d'Espas Nord mittle@watson.ibm.com From nordmark-request Fri Jun 10 20:33:49 1994 Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA14915 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:33:48 +0200 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA23268 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:33:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 20:33:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199406101833.AA23268@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: D91-NOA@trisse.hj.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: "Padraig / Anders"'s message of Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:21:59 MET+1 <2E7FB224A4C@trisse.hj.se> Subject: Tiden rinner... From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO F|rsvinnande "gratiskonton" {r en pest, men visar p} behovet av internet-access till rimlig kostnad! F|rhoppningsvis blir det m|jligt inom en |versk}dlig framtid att koppla privat- personer till n{tet utan att det kostar 300 kr i minuten! William From nordmark-request Sat Jun 11 01:27:00 1994 Received: (from xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) id BAA16910 for nordmark; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 01:27:00 +0200 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Message-Id: <199406102327.BAA16910@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Tiden rinner... To: nordmark Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 01:26:59 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <2E7FB224A4C@trisse.hj.se> from "Padraig / Anders" at Jun 10, 94 05:21:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1684 Status: RO Hej, Styrbj|rn h{r. > > Till min fasa =E4mnar de bygga om n=E4tet p=E5 skolan i sommar. Under tide= > n > kommer alla anv=E4ndare att f=F6rsvinna, och i h=F6st kommer bara de som > fortfarande pluggar att f=E5 ett konto. Det verkar med andra ord som om > jag kommer att d=F6, ty jag kan inte leva utan INTERNET :) * tr|sta * > =C4r det f=F6rresten n=E5gon som har n=E5gon listig ide om hur man kan ska= > ffa > sig tillg=E5ng till INTERNET p=E5 annat s=E4tt. Det jag suktar efter i > f=F6rsta hand =E4r email och NEWS. FTP och s=E5nt =E4r v=E4l fint, men > definitivt inget jag verkligen beh=F6ver. En liten fr}ga f|rst, vart ligger hj.se ? Mitt tips {r att g} med i datorf|reningen Stacken p} KTH. Skriv ett vackert brev till stacken@stacken.kth.se, s} l|ser det sig nog. /Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Sat Jun 11 05:57:21 1994 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca [142.77.1.1]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA18236 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 1994 05:57:19 +0200 Received: from bsdi.nucleus.com ([199.45.65.1]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <119778-4>; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:55:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by bsdi.nucleus.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA13850; Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:58:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:58:19 -0400 From: Keith Cartmell Subject: Re: Provine was only a symptom To: Joshua Mittleman cc: antir@Kwantlen.BC.CA, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu, carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, calontir@unl.edu, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, sca-reform@MIT.EDU, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, rgoff@mcimail.com, 71233.3035@COMPUSERVE.COM, MMS6824@tntech.edu In-Reply-To: <9406101547.AA19091@blinn.watson.ibm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO I agree with most of what Arval has said, no need to quote it all and take up bandwidth. The problem I see now is that the Board members will be exhausted. It's a tough job at the best of times, and the last 6 months must have been living hell. The Board is now down 2 directors, and an executive director. They desperately need fresh blood. The SCA is in such a state of flux that my first thought is to take a breather, and let the system settle down, then start making deliberate changes to do and undo what needs to be done. However, I think this would be a mistake. The shit is well and truly stirred up. Letting things settle out might freeze the corp and SCA in a dangerous position. Normally corporations exist to do business, but the next order of business is to *undo* almost all that has been done since January. These decisions and actions made in haste and under stress are all suspect. I'd like to look back and start from the Dallas meeting, and re-examine the problems in light of the experiences since then. The Board of the day faced the circumstances that were pointed out in another posting by Justin de Coeur, (if sp, forgive me). The SCA as structured could not cope with the stresses on it, and the system set into place has done substantially worse. Lets rebuild the SCA and corporation from the ground up, setting just the bare bones in place. Let Kingdoms and local groups flesh out those bones. Lets find out exactly what the SCA needs a corporation to do for it, and set it up to do just that. It's an exciting time ahead of us. All of us, not just those in offices. Ragnar From nordmark-request Mon Jun 13 03:10:02 1994 Received: from udot.unify.com (udot.unify.com [199.2.144.1]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA02587 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 03:10:00 +0200 Received: from unify.sac.unify.com ([199.2.147.74]) by udot.unify.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA28643; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 18:07:48 -0700 Received: from scattery.sac.unify.com (scattery.sac.unify.com [199.2.147.219]) by unify.sac.unify.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA04876; Sun, 12 Jun 1994 18:08:30 -0700 Received: by scattery.sac.unify.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01159; Sun, 12 Jun 94 18:08:15 PDT Date: Sun, 12 Jun 94 18:08:15 PDT From: jde@Unify.Com (Jeff Evarts) Message-Id: <9406130108.AA01159@scattery.sac.unify.com> To: mittle@watson.ibm.com, keith@bsdi.nucleus.com Subject: Re: Provine was only a symptom Cc: antir@Kwantlen.BC.CA, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu, carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, calontir@unl.edu, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, sca-reform@MIT.EDU, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, rgoff@mcimail.com, 71233.3035@compuserve.com, MMS6824@tntech.edu Status: RO What Ragnar said. Yeah. A brief respite would let us reach concensus on what we really do want (I think the currend discussion over what should and should not be in a waiver is evidence that we haven`t got there yet) It will also allow the (probably very tired and somewhat chafed) Board to take a well deserved break. In service, -Flynn From nordmark-request Mon Jun 13 09:08:20 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA04103 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 09:08:18 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA13634; Mon, 13 Jun 94 09:12:50 +0200 Subject: Bearkiller on waivers (fwd) To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 09:09:10 +0200 Message-Id: <940613.090910.77804@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >From: schuldy@zariski.harvard.edu (Mark Schuldenfrei) >Subject: Bearkiller on waivers >To: sca-reform@MIT.EDU (SCA Reform), > e5@uriacc.uri.edu (Fifth Estate Mailing List), > calontir@unl.edu (Calontir Mailing List), > antir@kwantlen.bc.ca (An Tir Mailing List), > north@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (north), > carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (carolingia), > sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu (West Kingdom Mailing List), > sca@mc.lcs.mit.edu >Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 13:06:35 -0400 (EDT) >Cc: jlv@halcyon.com (Vifian), c633779@showme.missouri.edu (Nathan Adelaar) > >[ Please feel free to cross post, or republish ] > >I just had the pleasure of speaking with Duke John Bearkiller, aka John >Fulton, Director of the Society for Creative Anachronism, Incorporated. > >He has been tasked with dealing with the waiver system. He confirmed that >the waiver system introduced at the April Board meeting is now in abeyance. > >He is looking for useful and knowledgeable feedback, so that he can develop >criteria for constructing appropriate new protection for the Society, in >whatever form. > >He is keenly aware that without good membership help, the Board will be >unable to cover the varying requirements of the countries and states we >function in, and the many local and personal circumstances. > >He wants help and information. If you have useful information, he earnestly >requests it. (For example, I sent him an article on liability issues for >cavers and cave owners, as well as standard release forms used by the >National Speleological Society. If it works for one of the most dangerous >hobbies in the world, I reckon...) > >I have volunteered to receive email suggestions for John, and to print and >mail them to him every day. If using me as an email conduit is not >acceptable to you, please print and mail your own comments. > >Some of the stories we have already seen, like particular health insurance >problems, child custody issues, international issues, should be resent to me >for his consideration. > >I will acknowledge all submissions I receive. John can be mailed to >directly, as John Fulton, 2494 Hollins Avenue, Memphis, TN 38112. > > Lord Tibor of Rock Valley / Mark Schuldenfrei > 6/10/94 1:00 PM EST schuldy@math.harvard.edu From nordmark-request Mon Jun 13 21:19:27 1994 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA08689 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 21:19:06 +0200 Received: from radisys.radisys.com by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA05839 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Mon, 13 Jun 94 15:13:36 -0400 Received: from msmail.radisys.com by radisys.radisys.com id aa18993; 13 Jun 94 12:13 PDT Received: by msmail.radisys.com with Microsoft Mail id <2DFCB09F@msmail.radisys.com>; Mon, 13 Jun 94 12:16:47 PDT From: Jim Pilcher To: Keith Cartmell , Joshua Mittleman Cc: "71233.3035" <71233.3035@compuserve.com>, antir , calontir , carolingia , e5 , jaymin , lgrant , MMS6824 , nordmark , northshield , rgoff Cc: sca-reform , sca-west Subject: Re: Provine was only a symptom Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 10:03:00 PDT Message-Id: <2DFCB09F@msmail.radisys.com> Encoding: 8 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO Pilgrim greets Ragnar, I would differ with you only in the level at which you are seeing the problem: hopefully, the kingdoms will incorporate individually, provide their own newsletters and insurance. Then, with the center involved only in those tasks that are necessary (the register, TI, selling books, etc.,) most of these problems will melt away. From nordmark-request Mon Jun 13 22:25:49 1994 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA08982 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 1994 22:25:32 +0200 Received: from radisys.radisys.com by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA17891 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Mon, 13 Jun 94 16:17:53 -0400 Received: from msmail.radisys.com by radisys.radisys.com id aa19285; 13 Jun 94 13:17 PDT Received: by msmail.radisys.com with Microsoft Mail id <2DFCBFB2@msmail.radisys.com>; Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:21:06 PDT From: Jim Pilcher To: jde , keith , mittle Cc: "71233.3035" <71233.3035@compuserve.com>, antir , calontir , carolingia , e5 , jaymin , lgrant , MMS6824 , nordmark , northshield , rgoff Cc: sca-reform , sca-west Subject: Re: Provine was only a symptom Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 13:17:00 PDT Message-Id: <2DFCBFB2@msmail.radisys.com> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO Pilgrim greets thee, from the Barony of Three Mountains, Kingdom of Antir I have noticed people talking like we have just won the war. Nothing could be further from the truth. This war is not won until the board is accountable to the members, and the books are opened, on a regular and timely basis, to any member who asks, anytime. The situation is much improved; whereas in April the board merely tossed us a bone, in this instance they have withdrawn the waivers, fired the executive director, and for reasons unknown, the Chair of the Board has resigned. These things happened for one reason only: Ansteorra went independent, and the rest of the SCA was rising up in open rebellion against the center by refusing the waivers. If our other goals are to be realized, it will be only be because the open rebellion continues. There is a lot of work left to be done. DON'T STOP PUSHING. Keep rousing the rabble. Spread the news. Repair the dream. We will win this fight, once and for all, to the betterment of the SCA, and to the game we play. The board does not need the break. We do! Keep up the pressure until they give us one! From nordmark-request Tue Jun 14 08:26:34 1994 Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA11978 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:26:31 +0200 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 07:21:34 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.36.108.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA27155; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:26:23 +0200 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9406140626.AA27155@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: (fwd) Message from William Blackfox (fwd) To: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 8:26:23 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: RO > From: ct790@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Fridenberg) > Newsgroups: rec.org.sca > Subject: Message from William Blackfox > Date: 13 Jun 1994 09:29:46 GMT > Lines: 122 > Reply-To: ct790@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Fridenberg) > > Greetings from Robert Fitzmorgan > I am posting the following message at the request of > Master William Blackfox. He has given permission to > cross-post the message or otherwise distribute it to any SCA > venue. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > To the Corporate officers, Board members, the Crowns > of the Known world and to the SCA Populace is sent greetings > from H.E. Master William Blackfox, > > The developments of 6-9-94 have brought an end to a > black period in the SCA's existance, one which has changed the > face and character of the SCA as a whole and which will have > long lasting aftershocks. > From the aftermath of the infamous January BoD meeting > to now, we have been subjected to an organizational experiment > which has turned out to be a Franenstein. > It seems obvious to me that the main rational which > Mr. Provine and his adherents on the BoD used to justify their > bizarre actions can be found in the stated purpose for the > institution of the Executive Director, to wit: That the ED > shall handle the mundane concerns of the SCA in a > business-like manner. > Where Mssr.s Provine, Moran, Johnson and others would > come a cropper was that they would see mundane aspects of the > SCA, define them as being absolutely distinct and seperate > from the medieval aspects of the SCA and use their offices to > inact policy changes at their whim. > The most heinous development of all was not the Horrid > Waiver or the many instances where Corpora and By-Laws were > misquoted or bypassed. The most egregious act of this > administration was to constantly deny the membership any voice > or avenues of recorse against their decisions. This though > was an iron fortress built on a foundation of sand, for the > membership had 28 years of interaction with the Imperium > whereas Provine and Moran had instituted the Godhead of the ED > for a mere 5 months, expecting to enforce it by threat rather > than by reason or fellowship. > This escalation of officiousness has finally come to a > head when the ED began to use his position to do the > unthinkable, to communicate with mundane authorites involved > with the Lillies War site and the surrounding communites to > defame, denounce and undermine a major SCA event in a > fruitless bid to bludgeon Calontir and the rest ot the Known > World into compliance. > Fortunately, the BoD called another teleconference > where the ED was sent on his merry way, the Horrid Waiver was > abolished and the old waiver policy reestablished. Yet all is > not right with the world. > Although we have returned to square one, we have not > compleatly repaired the SCA'S current situation. Mistress > Aelflaed, as I understand, has taken the unwanted mantle of ED > from Provine. I belive that we could not ask for a more > knowledgable, sympathetic and experienced person to fill this > post. However she can't hold it forever. > We must all be aware and make our future Corporate > officres aware that the Mundane business aspects and the > Medieval aspects of the SCA are INEXTRICABLY INTERCONNECTED > and cannot be delt with as if one did not affect the other. > We have learned to our sorrow what happens when one > aspect denies its dependance on the other. This cannot be > directly blamed upon the installation on an "outsider" as ED, > for matters might have been a great deal different if a more > sympathetic person had been hired as ED. Nevertheless, we > have seen the bilious conflict that arose when Provine decided > that he knew better than 60,000 SCA members and that the > opinions and wishes of those members had no bearing on his > polices. Never before had so many Kingdoms entered into fill > scale rebellion against SCA policies and never before had the > SCA administration responded with such arbitrary cruelty. > Several former BoD members are surely smarting at this > reversal of fortune for their first attempt at > "professionalizing" the SCA's administration. Some of their > names have passed into the rolls of infamy. > I hate to say it, but I hope that their fallf from > grace will serve as a warning to future BoD members and > Corporate officers. > > I call upon all SCA members who read this missive to > pass along the following concepts to their follows and to > those members yet to come: > We are modern people who play at being the living > rebirth of Chivalry. > We must have one overarching covenant to guide us ( > the Corpora), allowing for regional differences of course. > We must have corporate officers from within our ranks > who can be paid fair wages for their work in the highest > offices. > Above all we must never forget that the Modern and the > Medieval aspects of the SCA are interdependant on each other > and cannot be seperated. > > We have much healing to do now. I beg all people in > the SCA to give their support to the new BoD and the new ED. > However I suggest that we all keep abreast of SCA business from > now on. > Vigilance is the price of freedom. > > Yours in service, > > William Blackfox > MKA Mark Wallace > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Robert Again: > The above was posted at the request of Master Willaim > Balckfox. Replies may be sent to me and I will forward them > to him. Any Typos are mine. > > Robert Fitzmorgan > Northkeep, Ansteorra > > > -- > Scott Fridenberg | Like one that stands upon a promontory > ct790@cleveland.freenet.edu | And spies a far off shore where he would > Scott.Fridenberg@Thehub.com | tread, Wishing his foot were equal with > Scott Fridenberg@1:170/106 | his eye. Wm. Shakespeare -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... [R] Shade ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Tue Jun 14 08:43:11 1994 Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.1.3]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA12043 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:43:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.4/8.6.4) id IAA22194 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:43:04 +0200 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199406140643.IAA22194@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Ang. medlemskap och "waiver" To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List (Prath|gen)) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 8:43:00 MET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL11] Status: RO Till allt Nordmarks folk fr}n herr Peder, drots Jag har just f}tt ett besked fr}n mistress Maire, Drachenwalds drots, att vi inte beh|ver fylla i waivern p} den nya blanketten f|r medlemsans|kan (den d{r Foreign kostar $15), om vi inte f|rst}r texten (och det g|r vi ju inte :-). Medlem blir man {nd}, trots att blanketten inte {r helt ifylld. Sprid detta, f|r aldrig tidigare har medlemskap i SCA Inc. varit s} billigt. Och kommer f|rmodligen aldrig att bli det igen... Peder Klingrode | Leif Euren Stockholm, Sweden Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald | leeu@celsiustech.se From nordmark-request Tue Jun 14 14:20:01 1994 Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA13740 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:20:00 +0200 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA35337 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:19:58 +0200 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA07251 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:19:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 14:19:55 +0200 Message-Id: <199406141219.AA07251@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: waivers etc. X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Peder skrev: >Jag har just f}tt ett besked fr}n mistress Maire, Drachenwalds drots, >att vi inte beh|ver fylla i waivern p} den nya blanketten f|r >medlemsans|kan (den d{r Foreign kostar $15), om vi inte f|rst}r texten >(och det g|r vi ju inte :-). Medlem blir man {nd}, trots att >blanketten inte {r helt ifylld. Det finns ett sk{l till: BoD har beslutat att dra tillbaka waivern (och att sparka Tony Provine). Fyll m.a.o. inte i den - de f}r skicka oss alla den nya waivern n{r den {r klar, och d} kan vi ju se om vi har lust att skriva under den. Bli medlemmar nu; det {r billigt, och det visar att vi {r m}nga nog att r{knas, kanske t.o.m. i BoD:s |gon! Celemon From nordmark-request Wed Jun 15 01:47:52 1994 Received: from bronze.lcs.mit.edu (BRONZE.LCS.MIT.EDU [18.30.0.254]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA18114 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:47:50 +0200 Received: by bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Sendmail 8.6.9/940527.SGW) id TAA08346; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:44:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 19:44:47 -0400 From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Message-Id: <199406142344.TAA08346@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> To: NORTH@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, calontir@unl.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu Subject: Restructuring Proposal Status: RO Greetings from Baron Hossein Ali Qomi and the Committee to Save Our Society! The following is a brief description of a proposal which we presented to the Royal Conclave in An Tir this past weekend. We would appreciate any comments or suggestions which fellow reformers or the populace at large might care to make. The proposal is a first step toward encouraging broad-based discussion of ways of securing accountability and representation as rapidly as possible. In Service to the Society and for the Committee, Hossein Ali Qomi, Baron, Lion of Ansteorra Chairman, CSOS (Gregory Rose) TEXT FOLLOWS A Proposal for Structural Reform of SCA, Inc. From the Committee to Save Our Society Introduction. We believe that the root cause of the crisis in the corporation since January 22 has been a lack of accountability of the Board and corporate officers to the advisory membership and a parallel, contributing lack of representation of the advisory membership on the Board. The establishment of the non-SCAdian Executive Director system, the multiple fiascos involving waivers, pay-to-fight, compulsory membership, the non-member surcharge, and the Board's stonewall refusal to make full financial disclosure to the membership are all the consequences of a corporate system which is neither accountable nor representative. The key to resolving the consequences which have inflicted so much pain on our Society is structural reform of the corporation to create an accountable and representative Board and corporation. The SCA belongs to the people who play our game -- the populace of the kingdoms. That is the belief which fundamentally underlies our proposal. The Proposal. We propose a simple, two-step process for achieving immediate accountability and representation at the corporate level. This proposal has been reviewed by attorneys who specialize in California not-for-profit corporation law, and is consonant with the requirements of the current state of incorporation. This proposal basically makes the individual kingdoms the "stockholders" of SCA, Inc. The two steps consist of: 1. Amending the Articles of Incorporation, the By-Laws, and Corpora to provide that: a. The SCA, Inc. recognizes the kingdoms as unincorporated associations or separate corporations (as each kingdom chooses). b. The SCA, Inc. is a membership corporation with statutory members. c. The statutory members of the SCA, Inc. are the individual kingdoms. d. The statutory members of the SCA, Inc. have the sole power to elect and remove directors and to amend the Articles of Incorporation, the By-Laws, and Corpora. 2. Amending Corpora to require that each kingdom establish in its kingdom law provisions for exercising its rights as a statutory member of SCA, Inc. in accordance with its traditions and the preferences of the advisory members in that kingdom. Advantages of the Proposal. This proposal has a number of significant advantages both in comparison to the current system and in implementation: -- It establishes a structural means for obtaining immediate accountability of the Board and corporate officers to the advisory membership through the kingdoms. -- It makes the Board representative of the advisory membership, exercising their rights through the kingdom statutory members, while still retaining the current 5-7 director Board size. -- It prevents any recurrence of the events of January 22 and since by lodging the right to select and remove directors and exclusive decision making over our governing documents in the people who comprise the SCA -- the advisory members -- acting through their kingdoms. -- It imposes no onerous and expensive legal machinations, can be rapidly adopted by the Board, and provides immediate accountability and representation. TEXT ENDS From nordmark-request Wed Jun 15 01:53:06 1994 Received: from trlluna.trl.OZ.AU (trlluna.trl.OZ.AU [137.147.99.100]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA18145 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:52:59 +0200 Received: from msmail.trl.oz.au (msmail.trl.OZ.AU [137.147.22.175]) by trlluna.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA05394; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:49:24 +1000 Received: by msmail.trl.oz.au with Microsoft Mail id <2DFF5B79@msmail.trl.oz.au>; Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:50:17 EST From: "Hayes, Robin" To: Keith Cartmell Cc: antir , calontir , carolingia , e5 , nordmark , northshield , sca-reform , sca-west Subject: Re: Provine was only a symptom Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 12:45:00 EST Message-ID: <2DFF5B79@msmail.trl.oz.au> Encoding: 101 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO > From: Keith Cartmell > Subject: Re: Provine was only a symptom > Date: 10 June 1994 23:58 > > I agree with most of what Arval has said, > Ragnar And more than that - The US SCA legal counsel and his approach to things was only a symptom too. And indeed the performance of the American Board itself. Australia (Lochac) has its own indemnity. (It being considered more binding than a waiver - waivers are also of possible doubtful legal enforceability in Australia) After many instances that I just put down to merely lack of courtesy or manners, there have now been some rather serious things happening out here (*). I have become concerned that should there be a law case in the future, I may be called on to pay out for damages or legal costs in the future (although not necessarily in these current matters). I have been in (including positions of President, Treasurer, Secretary, Newsletter Editor, Committee members) many other clubs and organisations (Motor Sport, Theatre, etc) in my past. One of the major points of justifying an Incorporation for a hobby group is to shield the interests (including financial) of the financial members from ravage. Those who do not commit themselves to financial membership but wish to partake in activities must do so at their own risk. My membership expires soon. I can no longer with good faith continue to sign any such type of waiver that says that I (or my agents) will reimburse any organisation that I am a member of. Especially as it may be in the case of something that I had no say in or control of. Just how willing are YOU to totally reimburse your Officers from your own pocket if they have been proved to be negligent? Of course some members who have no assets can't pay, so those who do have the assets will have to pick up their share as well, no doubt. If it is necessary to insure personally the Officers of a Corporation against Negligence, then let that be done openly. I believe that in Australia (the only country with whose Laws I can claim any degree of knowledge), in certain circumstances, the Directors of Corporations may be held personally liable for the consequences of their actions. So by signing a waiver/indemnity that says that I will repay costs of anybody, I may in fact be trying to circumvent what the Law has decided (i.e. that those personally responsible be personally liable). I now have decided that I will not place in possible jeopardy any insurance policy of mine (what is the point of paying for it if I invalidate it myself?). And if a court decides that damages awarded against someone are due, then I will not repay them especially if it is an insurance type company (allegedly one of my agents) that brought the case. And what if the Insurance Company may have decided that they will not get any damages (because there will not be enough assets), but wish to make a legal precedent that certain activities conducted by the SCA are not "safe" for instance. Think about that, and how it may affect future insurance policies - world wide. I have had many years of enjoyment with the SCA; unfortunately I do not live in a Dream, but the Real World. I have always believed that financial commitment (membership) to an organisation was really necessary. Thus I was not totally against the idea (in principle) of "Pay to Play". I hope that a realistic system World Wide is able to be found, so that I may again financially commit myself to (and participate in) one of my pastimes again. My credentials, few though they be. (No 29082) G.A. OLM, OLM (yes twice) OBT AoA (*) 1). A case of someone in a unit losing his temper on the field and a defenceless fighter thereby receiving multiple heavy blows and thus what appears to be concussion. The perpetrator has not volunteered who he was, and "investigations" seem to be unable to identify him. The person named by the victim was a Knight, and he has denied responsibility. 2). A banishment that may still have implications for the membership. Is it true that an Officer of the SCA in Lochac gave guarantees of legal indemnity to all who were involved in the matter, and that the estimated costs of that plus estimated costs of what damages might be awarded appear to be a substantial portion of the "missing amounts" that the Board is keen to raise? Would that not be possibly placing the Board in the position of "defending a policy that the Board does not approve of"? I seem to remember such a statement used to justify the non disclosure of the financial documents. In Service to the Shattered Remnants of the Dream Robin the Ruthless in Battel - River Haven - Lochac - WEST Gules, a scorpion tergiant, maintaining in each pincer a heart, and in base within the curve of its tail another heart, all Or. Device supporters are Dragons and Salamanders. "Honour is often tested; dignity is often the consequence." RHayes@QCAGCIC1.TELECOM.com.au The opinions in this message are personal opinions of the sender and are not official opinions of Telstra Corporation, Limited, nor an officer of the SCA Inc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- From nordmark-request Wed Jun 15 06:19:40 1994 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca [142.77.1.1]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA19361 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 06:19:38 +0200 Received: from bsdi.nucleus.com ([199.45.65.1]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <91166-3>; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:19:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by bsdi.nucleus.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) id WAA05027; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:19:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:19:34 -0400 From: Keith Cartmell Subject: Re: Restructuring Proposal To: Greg Rose cc: NORTH@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@Kwantlen.BC.CA, calontir@unl.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu In-Reply-To: <199406142344.TAA08346@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Tue, 14 Jun 1994, Greg Rose wrote: > The two steps consist of: > 1. Amending the Articles of Incorporation, the By-Laws, and > Corpora to provide that: > a. The SCA, Inc. recognizes the kingdoms as unincorporated > associations or separate corporations (as each kingdom chooses). > b. The SCA, Inc. is a membership corporation with statutory > members. > c. The statutory members of the SCA, Inc. are the individual > kingdoms. > d. The statutory members of the SCA, Inc. have the sole > power to elect and remove directors and to amend the Articles > of Incorporation, the By-Laws, and Corpora. My concern here is point c. Normally statutory members are persons. A corporation can be a person in the eyes of the law. Does anyone know for sure if an unincorporated entity like the majority of the kingdoms can act as a statutory member? Perhaps an easier way to get the same effect is to have the kingdoms appoint one person to be "their" statutory member. I suspect that once you have elected a Board of Directors they would have the right to alter the Bylaws, though to do so against the wishes of the members would get them removed from office in a hurry. I would be concerned that the 13 members would essentially become the Board. If that's what we want, then lets set it up that way and have 7 fewer people in the decision loop. *Very* interesting idea. Ragnar From nordmark-request Wed Jun 15 06:43:32 1994 Received: from bronze.lcs.mit.edu (BRONZE.LCS.MIT.EDU [18.30.0.254]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA19590 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 06:43:31 +0200 Received: by bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Sendmail 8.6.9/940527.SGW) id AAA13254; Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:43:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:43:01 -0400 From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Message-Id: <199406150443.AAA13254@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> To: keith@bsdi.nucleus.com Subject: Re: Restructuring Proposal Cc: NORTH@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@Kwantlen.BC.CA, calontir@unl.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu Status: RO Ragnar, California law recognizes unincorporated associations for a number of legal purposes; according to several experts with whom we have consulted, statutory membership in a non-profit corporation is one of them. Hossein/Greg From nordmark-request Thu Jun 16 10:16:45 1994 Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net (mail02.prod.aol.net [192.203.190.97]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA29247 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:16:44 +0200 From: Chronique@aol.com Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA05085; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 04:16:11 -0400 X-Mailer: America Online Mailer Sender: "Chronique" Message-Id: <9406160337.tn08855@aol.com> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 03:37:27 EDT Subject: Best of Chronique CA Status: RO Many people have telephoned or written in the past weeks in order to find our pieces of information related to Chronique--the response has come from the most recent Compleat Anachronist, entitled "The Best of Chronique." Each quarter, we pose chivalric questions that are pointed at the topic of the next issue. These questions are available in the current issue (now #9) or may be had by request at this email address. Respondents whose answers are printed receive a free copy of the journal; the regular price is $5 per issue (64pp average) or $16 per year. Two years are available for $30; all prices quoted are for US subs. Issue #9 will be available on June 18. Its theme, as you can tell from the text below, is William the Marshal. #10, due for release at Pennsic, will contain articles about 15th century tournaments a la King Rene of Anjou. Details will include how to make courboille "rene" harness, how to run a Rene-style list, and details gleaned from Rene's own tournament book. Issue #9--William the Marshal and Early Tournaments "Some Thoughts on Chivalry & William the Marshal" "William the Marshal" a lyric passage--David Friedman "The Old Man of the Mountain" original fiction--Conrad Claus "Running a Marshal style Tournament."--Brian Price "Chivalry, an Alternative View"--Hugh T. Knight "Rules for a Marshal style Tournament."--Brian Price "A Marshal Tournament in the West Kingdom"--Brian Price "Equestris Ordo: Chivalry as a Vocation in the 12th century"--Colin Morris, University of Southhampton "On Winning"--Steen Jensen Reviews "William Marshal, Flower of Chivalry"--Pat MacGregor "The Knight in Medieval England, 1100-1400"--Richard Edwards Plus 15 pp. of FORUM discussion on points relating to field conduct, knightly behavior, and tournaments; classified advertising, an open challenge by Baron Tristan of Pheonix Hall, and a Puzzler. Available from "Ann-Marie Price", 316 Escuela Ave. #38, Mountain View, CA 94040 (415)-961-2187 Chronique@aol.com From nordmark-request Thu Jun 16 21:18:42 1994 Received: from NL.CS.CMU.EDU (NL.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.222.56]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA02689 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 1994 21:18:38 +0200 From: Monica.Cellio@NL.CS.CMU.EDU Date: 16 Jun 1994 15:14-EST Subject: Judge signs writ of mandamus To: antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu, carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, calontir@unl.edu, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, cns-outlands@cscns.com Message-Id: <771794070/mjc@NL.CS.CMU.EDU> Status: RO [I am posting this for Yaakov, whose mailer is on the fritz.] Unto all who read these words, greetings from Yaakov and the Committee to Save Our Society. I have just received by mail a copy of the judgment of the court and the Writ of Mandamus issued by Judge Levinger in the matter of Cellio, et. al., v. SCA, Inc. et al. All typos are mine, not the court's. Please note that while two past directors are named in the writ (Victoria Tisdale, Elizabeth Johnson), our attorney has been instructed to inform the court that they are no longer directors and therefore have no authority to carry out the Writ. Note that the writ was not signed by James Seely, attorney for SCA, Inc. It is my understanding that Mr. Seely failed to contact our attorney, Ernest Goldsmith, in a timely manner so that a conference could be arranged at a mutually convenient time. This is the second time Mr. Seely has failed to contact opposing counsel in a timely manner. Mr. Seely also failed to contact our attorney within the statutory time after Mr. Goldsmith drafted the initial finding of fact and Writ of Mandamus as per the relevant California statutes and the order of the court. It is my understanding that the Writ has been served upon the SCA, Inc. Under the terms of the Writ, they have until July 11 to comply or file for appeal. It is the policy of CSOS and the plaintiffs in the mandamus suit to share information as quickly as possible. In Service to the Society, Mar Yaakov HaMizrachi speaking for CSOS ____________________________________________________________________ JUDGMENT OF THE COURT This cause came on regularly for hearing before this Court on May 5, 1994, in Department 2, in the courtroom of the Honorable Mary Jo Levinger, pursuant to the verified First Amended Petition for Writ of Mandate which was served on Respondents herein. Ernest H. Goldsmith appeared as attorney for Petitioners, James G. Seeley appeared as attorney for Respondents. The cause was heard and pleadings and documentary evidence were received. The cause having been argued and submitted for decision, the Court being fully advised, the Court finds: Petitioners are dues-paying members of the Society for Creative Anachronism ("the Society"), and as such, Petitioners are beneficially interested parties; and, Pursuant to the Society Bylaws, Article X, Petitioners have the right to request the books of account of the Society from respondents for review for reasonable purposes at reasonable times; and, That the books of account of the Society refer to the financial books of original entry; and, The Society Bylaws, Section IV, provides that members of the Society have a right to impeach the directors by petition, and therefore, to enforce that right, Petitioners are entitled to obtain from Respondents the membership lists of the Society, therefore, IT IS ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED: 1. That a Peremptory Writ of Mandate issue commanding Respondents to provide to Petitioners or their agents the financial books of account of the Society consisting of the books of original entry; and that inspection and opportunity to copy records be conducted at a reasonable time during normal business hours; and furthermore, commanding Respondents to provide Petitioners lists of the names and addresses of all advisory members of the Society and that Petitioners bear reasonable costs incurred in providing such lists; 2. That the Court reserves ruling on the issue of costs of suit and attorney's fees to Petitioner until the matter is submitted by hearing or brief to the Court. Dated: June 2, 1994 (signed) Mary Jo Levinger Judge of the Superior Court Approved as to form: (unsigned) James G. Seeley Attorney for Respondents PREMPTORY WRIT OF MANDATE To: THE SOCIETY FOR CREATIVE ANACHRONISM, INCORPORATED. ANTHONY D. PROVINE; VICTORIA TISDALE; RENE SIGNOROTTI; A.J. RIVIEZZO; L. JANE RICHARDS; RANDALL TATRO; JOHN FULTON; ERIC MOHR; and ELIZABETH JOHNSON, Respondents: WHEREAS, Petitioners served and filed herein their duly verified First Amended Petition for Writ of Mandate, and a hearing was held on May 5, 1994; WHEREAS, it appears to this Court that Petitioners have no other plain, speedy, and adequate remedy in the ordinary course of law; WHEREAS, it appears to this Court that you have failed to perform your legal duty by refusing to provide to Petitioners the books of account of the Society for Creative Anachronism for inspection, and you have refused and failed to provide to Petitioners lists of the of the names and addresses of all members of the Society for Creative Anachronism; THEREFORE, you, the Society for Creative Anachronism, Incorporated; Anthony D. Provine; Victoria Tisdale; Rene Signorotti; A. J. Riviezzo; L. Jane Richards; Randall Tatro; John Fulton; Eric Mohr; and Elizabeth Johnson, are hereby commanded promptly after receipt of this writ: 1. To provide to Petitioners or their agents the financial books of account of the Society consisting of the books of original entry, and the opportunity to copy said books at a time during normal business hours; and, 2. To provide Petitioners lists of the names and addresses of all advisory members of the Society for Creative anachronism. You are further commanded to make and file a return to this writ on or before July 11, 1994, showing what you have done to comply with this writ. Witness the Honorable Mary Jo Levinger, Judge of the Superior Court. Attest my hand and seal of this Court this 9th day of May, 1994. Dated: June 9th, 1994 Clerk: Stephen V. Love, County Clerk By: C. Grijalva, Deputy Clerk Approved as to form: (unsigned) James G. Seeley Attorney for Respondents From nordmark-request Mon Jun 20 09:57:54 1994 Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA25031 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:57:50 +0200 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 08:52:41 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.36.108.7/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA10670; Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:57:35 +0200 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9406200757.AA10670@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: (fwd)Senechal e-mail adresses....(fwd) To: jaymin@salmon.maths.tcd.ie (Drachenwald Mailing List), nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 9:57:34 METDST Cc: NSMCA@acad2.alaska.edu (Ghost Wheel - nsmca@acad2.alaska) Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: RO > > Does your Seneschals have net access? > Compiling a list of Seneschals with (Daemon Herald) access. > So far have a few, like 20 or so.. > It grew very quickly.. Interesting.. pass the word around if you so desire.. > If you would like to be added to this list please e-mail : Ghostwheel = nsmca@acad2.alaska.edu Ciao Morgan// -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... [R] Shade ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Wed Jun 22 00:36:05 1994 Received: from uu4.psi.com (uu4.psi.com [38.146.21.2]) by mother (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA08754 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 00:35:39 +0200 Received: from radisys.radisys.com by uu4.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA18515 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Tue, 21 Jun 94 18:30:23 -0400 Received: from msmail.radisys.com by radisys.radisys.com id aa16917; 21 Jun 94 15:30 PDT Received: by msmail.radisys.com with Microsoft Mail id <2E076AB1@msmail.radisys.com>; Tue, 21 Jun 94 15:33:21 PDT From: Jim Pilcher To: An Tir , calontir , carolingia , e5 , Katherine Stewart , nordmark , "'Pat Steed'" , SCABoD To: "'Lochac'" , SCA Reform , sca-west , "'RIALTO'" , Suze Hammond Subject: Reform literature Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 15:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <2E076AB1@msmail.radisys.com> Encoding: 161 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO Pilgrim greets as much of the known world as he can reach: After putting this out for comments, and softening it up a little (removing comments of a personal or derisive nature), this document is ready to go out and be used. Feel free to copy it and distribute it at will. Unlike some, I don't mind if you modify it a little, but for goodness sakes don't attribute it to me if you do. Starguard, Moreach, and Pat Steed, I would take it kindly if you would pass this around in your circles. Thanks, and special thanks to the people who dug up this information in the first place. ----------------------------------------------------------- THE OAKENSHIELD ANNOYANCE BOTHERSOME THOUGHTS IN SERVICE TO THE DREAM William Oakenshield, Publisher A FEW THINGS SCAINC DOES NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW The Corporation does not want you to know what is in the books of account. They are so bent on keeping the books secret that the have violated the bylaws, and have forced members of the SCA to spend over $8000 of their hard earned cash in order to take them to court to enforce the bylaws. It is extremely rare for a case to come before a court involving a nonprofit that will not obey its bylaws. The people who have brought the action to open the books need your help. Send them a check made out to Terry Nutter, 2511 Manchester St., Blacksburg, VA 24060. The Corporation does not want you to know that in 1990-91, L. James Stewart, the Corporate Treasurer, diverted at least $35,452.13 to his own personal use, paid himself vast amounts of unauthorized overtime, and bought at least $3751.51 in equipment for his own use. The Corporation did not discover this until after he resigned as treasurer, indicating very lax business procedures. The Corporation only recovered $20,000 dollars of this money through a court action. Although this problem occupied two hours at every board meeting in this period, very few of the details were in the minutes, when they should have been printed in detail. The only reason this information is available to you now is because several people on the SCA.REFORM net pieced it together, with help from individuals peripherally involved. The Corporation does not want you to know what goes on in board meetings. That is why they drastically trimmed what will be printed in TI as minutes, they will not allow a tape recorder at a board meeting, and they hold closed sessions where the real work gets done, secret from the members. The SCA BoD regularly holds teleconferences in which important decisions are made, without putting it in the minutes. Folks, I belong to another nonprofit corporation, and if our BoD tried to pull a stunt like that, they would be immediately removed from office at the next election. Why do we take this kind of abuse from the caretakers of the SCA? The corporation does not want you to know that the Corporate Counsel, James Seeley, is not working for you, but solely for the BoD. It was Mr. Seeley who wrote, and advised them to use, the widely despised waivers, advised them to fight the members who want to see the books of account, and wrote the arguments for the court case which failed in every single instance. He wrote the arguments under California statute, and the case was decided under common law. It was Mr. Seeley that told the Board not to publish the extended minutes. The Corporation does not want you to get anything in your newsletter that might help you to stay informed and make up your own mind on SCA issues.. The new publications policy says "Local newsletters exist to provide information to their members and... .Articles which cause anger and divert people from study and re-creation are not acceptable." That means that while the entire Society is in danger of flying into little pieces, while momentous decisions are being made, while kings earn their crowns, and Corporate officers are resigning, not one word on the subject ever appears in an official SCA publication. The Corporation, on the other hand, has taken over a good chunk of TI to propagandize the members about how much it needs our cash, and is free to use the publications for any other propaganda they see fit. "Nice member (pat pat) here's your oatcake." Just keep those Corporate approved blinders on. The Corporation does not want you to know that the cost of insurance for events has nothing to do with the so-called financial crisis. The cost of insurance this year is $60,000, up from about $40,000 last year. The membership rate increases and the surcharge are estimated to bring in $400,000 above last year. The Corporation does not want you to know that reimbursement expenses, for SIX PEOPLE, were doubled this year from $45,000 a year ($7500 each) to $90,000 a year ($15,000 each). A very large portion of the Society does not make $15,000 a year. I think I could attend at least 50 meetings a year without running up this kind of bill; how about you? What's next? The official Board Yacht? The Corporation does not want you to know that a kingdom can separately incorporate, get its own insurance, run events, and sell its own memberships with a minimum of fuss, and without fouling up its relations with the other kingdoms. Ansteorra has done so, with full support of its population. The Estrella compact, signed at Estrella earlier this year, specifies that no matter what happens, we will all play our game with each other, and recognize each others awards, offices, and titles. The fact is that the kingdoms, not SCAINC, are the SCA. This is the center of the current struggle; SCAINC wants you to believe they are vital to the Society; in fact, if the Earth cracked open and swallowed the Milpitas offices, no one would notice. Oh, sure, your TI and local newsletter would be late, and your blue card would never arrive, but a fair number of gentles are having this problem anyway. If you would like to keep up on events in the reform movement, consider subscribing to the SCA Reform list on internet. The address is: sca-reform@mit.edu. Make your opinion Known in the Worlde! Write to the board, and tell them what you think. And don't forget to send a check to Terry Nutter to support the court action to open the books. People could lose houses over this, they need your help desperately. When was the last time you spent $8000 on a point of principle? Members of the Board are: Master Giovanni di Sienna Duke Randall of the Dark A.J. Riviezzo Randall Tatro 19211 E. Rice Drive 164 Everest Road Aurora, CO 80015 Milton, VT 05468 +1 303 693 0198 +1 802 893 6831 Lady Bronwen of Irenwold Count Edward Cire of Greymoor L. Jane Richards Eric Mohr 2925 South 7th St. West 10036 S.E. 169th Place Missoula, MT 59801-2021 Renton, WA 98055 +1 406 721 9658 +1 206 277 0763 Duke John Bearkiller John Fulton 2494 Hollins Avenue Memphis, TN 38112 +1 901 452 9881 Greetings to all good gentles from Gareth of Stonemarche. As you know, a California court upheld the right for the membership to the Corporate books of account. This legal action was very expensive and largely financed by a small group of people. These people are not rich. There is some chance that they will be awarded court costs sometime in the next several months. "Court costs" is not the same as "legal costs" in the state of California--they still have hefty legal bills to pay. There are other expenses as well--the phone bill is infernal--and these folks are just scraping by. I don't think this is a fair situation. The entire Society will enjoy the benefit of the legal action, but just a handful are paying for it. You've heard all the rhetoric before--There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch, the Price of Freedom, etc. Just think for a moment what that really means. I am not talking about folks whose sacrifice means that they are eating hamburgers instead of Filet Mignon, or putting off discretionary purchases until after Pennsic. I'm talking about people who bet the mortgage money to guarantee basic rights of the membership. They paid in advance, they are still paying, they will be paying for years, and they paid big--for *you*. Do the right thing. Pick one moderate discretionary purchase--a new bow, a boxed set of CDs, a software game, a bolt of fine cloth, or whatever your budget defines "moderate"--and instead donate the money to the legal fund. It's not fun, and I can't guarantee a warm fuzzy feeling. But in your heart, you know it is the thing to do. Contributions are being collected by J. Terry Nutter (Lady Angharad ver' Rhuawn), 2511 Manchester St., Blacksburg, VA 24060. She may be reached by email at jtn@vtopus.cs.vt.edu or by telephone at (703) 552-1598. Please make any checks sent payable to J. Terry Nutter/CSOS. A full accounting for the use of all donations will be promptly available by request with SASE. Your Servant, Gareth gdd@world.std.com From nordmark-request Wed Jun 22 04:32:42 1994 Received: from jack.sns.com ([199.35.183.1]) by mother (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA09847 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 1994 04:32:29 +0200 Received: by jack.sns.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0qGI6F-000Q2bC; Tue, 21 Jun 94 19:31 PDT To: sca-lochac@dialix.oz.au, nordmark@ludd.luth.se Cc: carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: IKAC standings 6/20 From: John, R., Edgerton Comments: Validated 10-30-1993 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 19:30:06 PDT Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA 94539-6669 Status: RO Interkingdom Archery Competitions The standings in the Open division of the IKAC as of June 18 are: 1) EAST-288.6. Li Kung Lo-293, Dwane Shinnock-291, Ygraine of Kellswood-282. 2) MIDDLE-263.6. Grant Graeme de Mentieth-274, Ian Gourdon of Glen Awe-266, Wulfgang von den Lowen-251. 3) ANTIR-241. Andrus-264, Julian Edward Farnsworth of Falconmoors-264, Arianne-195. 4) WEST-190.6. Joseph de la Tour-264, Abner de Plunket,younger-198, Martin de Mont blanc (Lochoc)-110. 5) ANSTEORRA-182.6. Sebastian Frobishire-185, Wayne of the Heights-183, Sean McTyre-180. 6) CAID-155.6. Leonard of Orange-163, Gilbert of Greehaven-155, Phillippe Lyon de Marseilles-149. 7) OUTLANDS-143.3. Ld. Peregrine Elric of Courtenay-160, Ld. Thorfinn Greybeard-139, Sir Mark von dem Falkensfenn-131. 8) CALONTIR-139.6. Lynette Davejean-157, Ormar Traherne-156, Rosalin of Faulconbridge-106. 9) ATLANTIA-83.3. Ld Rupert the Persistent-127, Eirik fencsplitter-65, Grimof Gunnerson-58. In the Traditional Longbow Division the Middle has first with 248. Ld. Arinwald Rotstein-274, Ld. Grant Graeme de Mentieth-268, Arwenna of Kelsley-202. 2) ANSTEORRA-167.6. Master Leon Donne-184, Don Sebastian Frobishire-165, Michael of Tweedale-154. In the Crossbow division the standings are: 1) EAST-269. Dwane Shinnock-309, Li Kung Lo-253, Kai MacLain-247. 2) ANSTEORRA-156. James ap Benyl-179, Roger Bagley-152, Holig Billings-137. In the INTERKINGDOM COMBAT ARCHERY COMPETITION the standings are: 1) MERIDIES-174.3. Ld. Robert do Pengraine-183, Ld. Kendorff LÕOterel- 180, Lady Yasmin Al Yoshin-169. 2) ANTIR-173. Julian Edward Farnsworth- 189, Erik McLost-180, Alisdair McEwan-150. 3)ANSTEORRA-170.3. Talon of Blackoak-177, Sebastian Frobishire-175, Theodric Afhaims-159. 4) ATENVELT- 27.6. Ld. Hazzo Bimaimo bowyer-33, Ld. Chris-31, Ld. Sean-19, (shot with golftubes). IKCAC CROSSBOW DIVISION has one full set of scores from Ansteorra -122.6. Roger Bagley-171, Stefan von Drachenfels- 145, Robert Briethewaite-52. I have spoken with Duke Lawrence of Ashana, the Society Marshal about the Draft Target Archery Rules. The draft rule allowing only the use of target points in target competitions will be changed to prohibiting only the use of broadheads. This will allow the continued use of field points and combat blunts, as well as period points, in target competitions. Also in competitions using combat blunts marshals or archers may be posted down range for the purposes of scoring. For copies of the IKAC or IKCAC rules, contact your kingdom archery officer. Or. send a S.A.S.E. (legal size) with 29 cents postage for the IKAC rules or 54 cents for both to the Keeper of the IKAC and IKCAC: Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf. c/o John R. Edgerton. 7662 Wells Ave., Newark,CA. 94560-3530. (510) 791-9070. Email: Genie (T.EDGERTON). Internet, sirjon@sns.com. ********************************** To the Chronicler: Please print at least the full scores and archers for your kingdom and the total scores for all the others. Please print the last two paragraphs in full. Thank you Jon ---- sirjon@sns.com (John, R., Edgerton) Systems'n'Software (510)623-8656 FAX (510)623-8652 DATA From nordmark-request Thu Jun 23 09:36:12 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA03585 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:36:11 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA26291; Thu, 23 Jun 94 09:40:54 +0200 Subject: Broadside of a Board (fwd) To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 09:37:14 +0200 Message-Id: <940623.093714.81370@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 14:47:36 -0800 (PST) >From: "Flieg Hollander" >Reply-To: flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu >To: , , , > , >Subject: Broadside of a Board > >Frederick of Holland to all to whom these presents come greetings: > >Broadside of a Board is a broadside. If you think for one minute that it >represents official publication of the SCA, Inc., you need to have your >reality checked. > >This is being sent to sca-reform, E5, antir, sca-west, and the Rialto via >Digest. It is a personal publication. I hereby give anyone the right to >copy it off of the nets, make copies and distribute them. It prints in >three columns (0.25" spacing, margins 0.5") in 9pt. Times Roman under WP5.1. >Please publish all of each article, individual articles may be extracted if >you wish. > >========================Begin enclosed bits ======================= > >Broadside of a Board -- June Crown Edition XXIX > (18 June 1994) >WELCOME TO MY BROADSIDE > > Some of the information in this edition Broadside of a Board is >presented for your information only and has been superceded by subsequent >events. Items are presented in more or less chronological order. > >WAIVER GETS A NAME. >WARNING ON NNW. > > There is now a name for the new waiver text, adopted at the April >Board meeting. This was the one with language relating to "indemnification" >and promise not to sue anyone under any circumstances. It is known as the >"new new waiver" (NNW) to differentiate it from the "new waiver", which had >the clause on "binding arbitration". The "new waiver" was the one put into >force at the end of 1993 with the institution of the Blue Cards and the "Pay >to Fight" policy. There were many problems with that waiver, but the newer >version is even worse. Legal opinions have been obtained on the language in >the NNW. These have indicated that there may be severe problems with it. >It appears to be unenforceable in several jurisdictions and to be dangerously >enforceable and hazardous to the financial well-being of those who sign it in >other jurisdictions. It may also be dangerous to those who have certain types >of health insurance. Please check with your insurance carrier before signing >it. (Fortunately you don't have to do so, (see accompanying stories), but you >might want to check the language of the "new" or "bluecard" waiver, too.) > >ANSTEORRA INCORPORATES SEPARATELY -- >NOT SECESSION FROM THE SCA > > The Kingdom of Ansteorra has incorporated as a non-profit >corporation in the state of Texas, in response to the waiver policy and the >actions of Executive Director Anthony Provine. Following incorporation, >Ansteorra, Inc. is obtaining its own liability insurance policy to cover events >held under its auspices. King Inman and Queen Athena emphasized that >they were not seceding from the SCA. To quote from a letter from Hossein >Ali Qomi: > "Since official events of SCA, Inc. cannot be held under corporate >policy without this waiver, until the illegal waiver is rescinded all events will >be held without official sanction. The formation of a Texas-based non-profit >corporation is an attempt to facilitate procurement of insurance for these >unofficial events. Furthermore, since these events will not be held with the >official sanction of SCA, Inc., the kingdom is under no obligation to enforce >the non-member surcharge or the pay-to-fight requirement at such unofficial >events. > "His Majesty made it clear that Ansteorra is not seceding from the >SCA, but engaging in civil disobedience on the basis of legal and ethical >objections to the currently mandated waiver and the other unreasonable >policies imposed by the corporation." > Quoting from a letter from Tim McDaniel about a briefing at the >Barony of the Steppes business meeting: > "This was on the night of Tuesday, June 7, while the new new waiver >issue and Tony Provine's fate were still undecided. Therefore, some of the >information and assumptions are now out-of-date. > "The legal agent of Ansteorra, Inc. (not "Kingdom of"), also spoke. >Ansteorra, Inc. has been incorporated and is looking to buy insurance ASAP. >Insurance quotes for $1 million event coverage and officer coverage would >cost in the $900-$1200 per year range. We passed the hat among about 30 >people and raised $550 in 5 minutes. They asked insurance companies about >waivers, and the companies have said that all they need to see is informed >consent." > >LIZ JOHNSON RESIGNS DUE TO MUNDANE JOB >OPPORTUNITY. > > Effective June 1, Liz Johnson resigned as a Director and as Chairman >of the Board. This was not due to pressure within the SCA, but to a 20th >Cent. job opportunity which made it impossible for her to devote large >amounts of time to her job as Chairman. Rather than give the SCA "second >best", she resigned. This leaves 5 members on the Board, and it is likely that >two new ones will be selected at the July 23 Board meeting. > >PROVINE THREATENS WAR OF THE LILIES > > A series of letters exchanged between Duke Shadan, Seneschal of >Calontir and Anthony Provine, Executive Director, has been made public. >[Come by the information table to see them.] Provine threatened to withhold >SCA sanction and insurance coverage from the War of the Lilies unless the >autocrats complied fully with use of the "new new waiver" and the enforced >non-member surcharge policies passed at the last Board meeting. > Despite clear indications of legal problems with the language of the >"new new waiver", the fact that implementation of the new waiver policy was >in contravention of G&PD #13 (the published policy on membership >waivers) and repeated pleas for a common sense approach, Provine was >adamant. (It was also clear that Provine was not communicating much of this >to the Board of Directors.) On June 7th Provine FAXed the site owners and >the insurance company and cancelled the SCA insurance. He also withdrew >official SCA sponsorship of the event, an action which many feel was well >outside his powers as Executive Director. > At this point, outside insurance was arranged to be purchased to cover >the event, but the company balked at the last minute, not because of any >danger from fighting, but because the event was a camping event and the >company felt that camping posed too much of a liability risk! >Further >action in obtaining self-paid insurance was under way when the Board of >Directors removed Provine from his position and suspended the waiver policy >due to massive protests from all over the Known World. The Board affirmed >that Calontir will be holding the Lilies War under the sanction of the Society, >and that the insurance protection of the Society's policy will be in full effect. >(See accompanying stories) > >PROVINE REMOVED BY BOARD JUNE 9, 1994 > > In a telephone conference call on the evening of June 9, 1994, after >extensive debate, the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc. relieved Mr. >Anthony Provine of the duties of his office as Executive Director of the SCA, >effective immediately. Mistress Aelflaed of Duckford (MKA: Sandra Dodd), >ex-Steward of the SCA, has been appointed to temporarily take over the >duties of the Executive Director which cannot be handled by the staff. At >the July meeting the Board will attempt either to select another interim ED, >or find someone to fill the position. > >!NEW MEMBERSHIP RATES POSTPONED TO JULY 1 > > The new membership rate of $35 for a sustaining membership will not >be implemented until 1 July, due to problems in getting the information to >all the newsletters. All applications mailed before June 30 will be processed >under the old rates. This decision was made by the interim Executive >Director, Sandra Dodd. > >"NEW NEW WAIVER" POLICY PUT ON HOLD. >WEST KINGDOM TO CONTINUE WITH OLD WAIVER POLICY. >BOARD TO STUDY WAIVER POLICY IN DETAIL. > > In the same telephone conference call that resulted in the suspension >of Executive Director Provine, the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc. voted >to put the "new new waiver" policy into abeyance. Kingdoms are free to use >the new policy on a voluntary basis if they so wish. Otherwise they must use >the old system. The West Kingdom will not be putting the NNW into effect, >but will continue with the system in place before the April Board meeting. > [[[Note added after publication: Membership forms under the old new >waiver were sent out by the Acting ED, to all local seneschals. The publisher >recommends not using any waiver containing the NNW language.]] > The Board has formed a new committee to investigate a better way of >providing the legal protection needed. The committee will be chaired by >John the Bearkiller, and needs to have relevant legal information before the >July meeting. > Anne M. Klingen (1532 Vera Cruz, Memphis, TN 38152) is on the >committee. She writes that the comittee will consist of Duke John and >"several lawyers who are also members of the SCA. The purpose of this >committee is to propose a new waiver to the BOD. If you have any >suggestions or ideas that you would like us to consider, please send them to >me." She gives her phone as (901) 685-9020 and her email address as >amklingen@msuvx1.memphis.edu. Please write to the committee with >suggestions and examples of waivers used in other hazardous sports. It is the >intention of the Board to study this and to come up with a reasonable waiver >policy which will protect the SCA without endangering the rights of the >people of the Known World. > >PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDATE GRANTED > > On May 5 Judge Levinger of the Santa Clara County Superior Court >heard verbal arguments on the Writ of Mandate. The judge granted the >petition for access to the membership list on the grounds that the >impeachment process requires such access to verify petitions to impeach. >The Court also ordered the books of account of the SCA, Inc. to be opened >for inspection by the petitioners. > Quoting from a letter from one of the petitioners: "Pursuant to the >California Civil Code, our attorney drafted an order incorporating Judge >Levinger's findings and sent to it Mr. Seely for comments as to form. Under >the Code, Mr. Seely had five days to respond. If he had no comments, the >Code required him to return the order with his signature. If he had >objections, he was required by the Code to notify our attorney of those >objections. > "Our attorney waited five full business days for any response. He >received no response whatsoever, neither an objection nor a concurrence with >Mr. Seely's signature. As a result, under the rules set down by the California >Civil Code, and following the explicit instructions given by Judge Levinger at >the trial, our attorney sent the unsigned order to the court for >implementation." > In the meantime the Board voted to appeal the decision "on advice of >counsel" (Mr. Seely). That decision may be in flux due to recent events. > Judge Levinger has now signed the order, as drafted by Mr. >Goldsmith, the attorney for the petitioners, and the SCA, Inc. has until July >11th to comply with the order or to file an appeal of the order. > >CROWN CONCLAVE IN AN TIR > > The First Crown Conclave was held June 11 and 12 in An Tir. Many >hours of royal discussions were held, in addition to a grand tournament, but >no announcements have been forthcoming. In attendance were the King and >Queen of An Tir, the hosts, the King of the West, the King of the East, the >Queen of the Middle and the Kings and Queens of Meridies and Ansteorra. >Director Eric Mohr also attended. > > BOARD MEETING 23 JULY, 1994 > > The next meeting of the Board of Directors will be held in Denver, >Colorado on the 23rd of July at 9 am. The meeting will be at the Holiday Inn >North, at the intersection of I-70 and I-25. The meeting is not in garb. >Various items of interest, including the required membership to fight ruling, >will be considered at the meeting. Letters to the Board and other materials >for consideration should be received in Milpitas by July 8 to be considered >at the meeting. > At 7:00 in the evening there will be a revel, in garb, in the same room. >There is no charge for either the meeting or evening revel. We may not >bring in any outside food or drink, but there will be food platters (paid for >by the Outlands) and a cash bar. Notice: NO LIVE STEEL is allowed in >the hotel, so plan accordingly to leave your sword or dagger in a safe place. > > For further information, contact Mistress AElflaed of Duckford >(505) 299-2476, or Master Hagar the Black (303) 480-9321. > >OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER > > A start has been made. The Executive Director has been removed by >the Board. but there is still far to go in the process of reform. It is the >opinion of this Duke that the following are necessary. > The policy of mandatory membership to fight should be cancelled; it >was not justified when it was imposed and it is less justified now. > Any new waiver policy must make sense, be cheap to implement, and >protect the SCA without endangering the rights and livelihood of the >members. > The non-member surcharge needs to be removed. > The "financial emergency" must be explained and verified before >further monetary demands on the membership are made. The Board must >tell its attorney not to appeal the Writ of Mandate. > The IAC and Grand Council established at the April 16 meeting >should be given a firm directive to work to make the Board accountable to >the membership. > The power and control of the SCA, Inc. over the activities of the >Society as a whole should be reduced to a coordinating and unfying >minimum. > > > >(Broadside of a Board is published by Duke Frederick of Holland, bringing >news and opinions to the populace of the Kingdom of the West. All copy in >this issue is written by the publisher. Submissions of both news and opinion >from other people in the Kingdom are welcome and will be published as >space and money are available. Monetary contributions are welcome but not >necessary. It now appears to be a semi-regular publication with an intended >publication schedule of each Crown and Coronation until this forum is no >longer needed or I get tired of doing this. The Purgatorio edition will be out >at Ducal Prize Tourney. >Address: F. Hollander, 3334 California Street, Berkeley, CA 94703. email: >flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu Phone:(home) (510) 653-3652 (work) (510) 642- >8444.) > >======================end enclosed bits ========================== > >Enjoy > > * * * Frederick of Holland, MSCA, OP, etc. > *** *** *** flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu > _|___|___|_ > |===========| > (((Flieg Hollander, Chem. Dept., U.C. Berkeley))) > ================== Old Used Duke ================= > [All subjects of the Crown are equal under its protection > and no Corporation is going to convince me otherwise.] From nordmark-request Thu Jun 30 01:02:25 1994 Received: from bronze.lcs.mit.edu (BRONZE.LCS.MIT.EDU [18.30.0.254]) by mother (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA04517 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 01:02:21 +0200 Received: by bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Sendmail 8.6.9/940527.SGW) id TAA19766; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 19:01:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 19:01:26 -0400 From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Message-Id: <199406292301.TAA19766@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> To: NORTH@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, calontir@unl.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu Subject: An Explanation of the Restructuring Proposal Status: RO Greetings from Baron Hossein Ali Qomi and the Committee to Save Our Society! Several weeks ago we circulated a proposal for the structural reform of SCA, Inc. That document proposed: >The Proposal. We propose a simple, two-step process for achieving >immediate accountability and representation at the corporate level. >This proposal has been reviewed by attorneys who specialize in >California not-for-profit corporation law, and is consonant with the >requirements of the current state of incorporation. This proposal >basically makes the individual kingdoms the "stockholders" of SCA, Inc. > The two steps consist of: > 1. Amending the Articles of Incorporation, the By-Laws, and >Corpora to provide that: > a. The SCA, Inc. recognizes the kingdoms as unincorporated > associations or separate corporations (as each kingdom chooses). > b. The SCA, Inc. is a membership corporation with statutory > members. > c. The statutory members of the SCA, Inc. are the individual > kingdoms. > d. The statutory members of the SCA, Inc. have the sole > power to elect and remove directors and to amend the Articles > of Incorporation, the By-Laws, and Corpora. > 2. Amending Corpora to require that each kingdom establish in its >kingdom law provisions for exercising its rights as a statutory member >of SCA, Inc. in accordance with its traditions and the preferences of >the advisory members in that kingdom. We made this proposal in order to show _how_ accountability and representation at the corporate level could be rapidly obtained and to encourage the widest possible discussion of such issues. It was intended as a first step. An objection has been raised to the proposal which we believe should be strongly answered. Some have claimed that the proposal places the corporation in the hands of the Crowns by making the kingdoms the statutory members of SCA, Inc. This is not so. While many of us are royalists regarding the medieval side of our game, we are committed to maximizing the democratic participation of the advisory membership in the mundane corporation. This isn't a matter of kings or parliaments. It is a matter of the people who make up our Society -- the populace -- controlling the mundane corporation. Our proposal requires that each kingdom determine how it will exercise its statutory membership by writing provisions into kingdom law "in accordance with its traditions and the preferences of the advisory members." We fail to see how the preferences of the advisory membership could be adequately determined without a polling of advisory members in each kingdom. This democratic safeguard is built into the proposal. If a majority of the advisory membership in a given kingdom _chooses_ to exercise that kingdom's statutory membership through the Crown, then so be it. If a majority chooses to exercise the kingdom's statutory membership through the kingdom seneschal, or an elected representative, or a curia, or an althing, or whatever means the majority selects, then, again, so be it. We want to see the people choose how the kingdom exercises its statutory membership. We are so thoroughly committed to this principle of democratic control of the mundane corporation that we are prepared to endorse Corpora mandating that the statutory membership provisions of kingdom law may not be adopted or amended by anyone -- including the Crown -- without a binding polling of the advisory membership of the kingdom. Many in our Society have a tendency to defer to the Crown or the peerages in such matters. In the medieval game we play this deference tends to encourage a more period ambience. However, where the mundane corporation is concerned, where matters pertain to how our money is spent and how the rules governing our recreation are made, we have have duty to ensure that everyone has a meaningful voice in the process. We believe that the people who make up our Society have the right to control the mundane corporation which facilitates it. In Service to the Society and for the Committee, Hossein Ali Qomi Baron, Lion of Ansteorra Chairman, CSOS (Gregory Rose) From nordmark-request Thu Jun 30 14:05:26 1994 Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by mother (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA08041 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 14:05:26 +0200 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA05371 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 30 Jun 1994 13:50:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 13:50:24 +0200 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199406301150.AA05371@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Internet abbonemang! Status: RO Hej alla, det {r Frithiof! 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