From nordmark-request Tue Nov 1 21:05:53 1994 Return-Path: Monica.Cellio@NL.CS.CMU.EDU Received: from NL.CS.CMU.EDU (NL.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.222.56]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA18303 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:05:50 +0100 From: Monica.Cellio@NL.CS.CMU.EDU Date: 1 Nov 1994 15:01-EST Subject: Board Shirks Bill and Threatens Bankruptcy To: sca-reform@mit.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, cns-outlands@cscns.com, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu, carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, sca-caid@anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu, calontir@unl.edu, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, atlantia-l@netcom.com Message-Id: <783720077/mjc@NL.CS.CMU.EDU> Status: RO Greetings to the good gentles of the Known World from Ellisif Flakkari, the Committee to Save Our Society, and the mandamus petitioners! As you know, the Superior Court of California awarded legal and court costs to the petitioners who sought to require the SCA, Inc. to obey its bylaws and open the financial records for review by members. This award, in the amount of $19,220.38, was made on the request of the petitioners and without objection by the representatives of the corporation at a hearing on 8 September. The court issued its payment order on 23 September; as I write, the corporation is still in violation of that court order. In its executive session last month, the Board reportedly voted to ask the petitioners to accept a long-term payment plan at a rate of $1000 per month. As you no doubt recall, the petitioners offered the Board a payment plan as part of a settlement package negotiated through the month of August with Lee Forgue. The payment plan and other concessions were offered in exchange for the Board's agreement to open corporate publications and kingdom newsletters to paid advertising regarding legitimate impeachment campaigns, to provide a means of mailing information about impeachment, and to guarantee members' permanent right to full disclosure of financial information. The Board refused to accept our offered settlement, preferring to fight the court battle to the bloody end. Shortly after the Board broke off negotiations, the court found in favor of the petitioners on all points and then awarded full costs to the petitioners. Only now, after ignoring the court order for several weeks, has the Board deigned to offer delayed payment. The delayed-payment offer was received by our attorney on 25 October with the remarkable added threat that the corporation would file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy if the petitioners did not accept the offer. It is ludicrous to believe that Mr. Johns, the corporate counsel, took it upon himself to transform an offer into an ultimatum; such behavior could get him disbarred. That decision must have been made by the director or directors who instructed Mr. Johns. Either the person who gave Mr. Johns these instructions grossly exceeded his authority (and must be sanctioned by the corporation), or the board as a whole has chosen a misguided path of threats and bluster. To the best of our knowledge, the board did not authorize this threat. Any director who deliberately subverts the Board's decisions is clearly unfit to serve and should be removed from office; any board that deliberately subverts the society it is meant to serve by engaging in such activities is clearly unfit. Either way, we demand to know who is responsible for this outrage, and we demand that the Board remove all directors responsible. The bankruptcy threat is absurd on the face of it: According to our attorney, a member of the California Bar with years of experience in these matters, simply to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy would cost $15,000 *more* than the total amount owed to the petitioners. Whoever the directors were who invented this threat, they clearly have no idea what bankruptcy entails: The court would control all SCA, Inc. assets, could liquidate and consolidate them for its own convenience, and would proceed in the best interests of the corporation's creditors -- of whom the petitioners are probably the most significant! Furthermore, since we have already received copies of the financial records of the corporation, we know full well that satisfying the court order will not bankrupt the corporation. Thus, one can conclude only that one or more directors invented the threat of bankruptcy solely to intimidate the petitioners into waiving their rights. Not surprisingly, the petitioners have refused unanimously to cave in to blustering and bullying threats. We offered compromise when compromise was appropriate, when it would have been advantageous to both parties, before the court decided the matter. The corporation was unwilling even to give formal consideration to our offer of settlement: Mr. Tatro, Chairman of the Board, refused to convene a meeting so that a vote could be taken. Now he and the Board ask the petitioners to make a $20,000 interest-free unsecured loan to the corporation, while our legal costs continue to mount. We cannot afford such a luxury; we have bills to pay, and our attorney quite rightly expects the money he's earned. The delays and threats by the corporation have already cost us additional money that we will have to pay or extract from the corporation. The corporation is in violation of a court order, and has made it clear that it will go to extreme lengths to avoid its legal obligations. At least one director is willing to mis-represent the Board's decisions in order to duck his legal obligations. These actions endanger the corporation and the individual directors: Our attorney feels that there is clear cause for the corporation and the individual directors to be cited and sanctioned for contempt of court. If the corporation persists in refusing to pay its bills, the petitioners may have no choice but to ask the court to intervene by attaching the corporate bank accounts or by recovering the judgement from the directors personally. We do not want to do this, but we have very little alternative at this point. Given that the corporation, based on its own financial information, *can* pay the bill, it is not even a question of whether we should sacrifice ourselves for the corporate good. It is a question of whether we shall permit whichever directors have ordered this action to extort concessions and bankrupt the mandamus petitioners. We will not allow this. When the Board was presented with a $67,000 bill for incomplete and unusable computer software, they paid it without hestitation. When the Board was presented with a bill for Provine's services, they paid it without hesitation. When the Board was presented with a bill for *their* lawyers' services in the mandamus action, they paid it without hesitation. Why is it that the only bill the Board refuses to pay is the judgment for attorney's fees and court costs which Judge Levinger has said they must pay because they put the petitioners and the Society through a legal battle which never should have happened? This seems like more of the "I won't do it and you can't make me" nonsense that got the Board into this situation in the first place -- if the Board hadn't taken this attitude toward showing members the books of account, they wouldn't be under a court order to pay fees and costs now. At any time, the corporation can pay this debt. It does not take a Board meeting. It merely requires that the President or the Treasurer authorize the expenditure. They have had nearly two months since the hearing, and a full scheduled Board meeting, to discuss the matter. Surely the Board must have decided by now. In the real world, people who defer their bills get notices from collection companies. We would hate to take this step, butthe corporation has left us no choice. Enough is enough. Will the Society condone gross misconduct by directors? We say no, and we demand action. We expect immediate payment of this bill in full; further, we expect the directors responsible for this abuse of power to be sanctioned. The Board meets by teleconference on 9 November. We will all be waiting to hear how they deal with this outrage. For the Committee to Save Our Society and the mandamus petitioners, Ellisif Flakkari From nordmark-request Tue Nov 1 22:56:11 1994 Return-Path: troll@sug.org Received: from sug.org (sug.org [192.108.186.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA18996 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:56:10 +0100 Received: from bridge.sug.org by sug.org (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) id AA16774; Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:51:39 -0500 From: troll@sug.org (Alex Newman) Received: by bridge.sug.org (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA22986; Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:50:47 EST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 94 16:50:47 EST Message-Id: <9411012150.AA22986@bridge.sug.org> To: owner-carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Cc: sca-reform@mit.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, cns-outlands@cscns.com, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu.carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, sca-caid@anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu.calontir@unl.edu, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu.atlantia-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Board Shirks Bill and Threatens Bankruptcy Status: RO ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:20:21 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA32539 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:20:19 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA28520 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:20:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:20:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199411041120.AA28520@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: Re: funding X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO F|r alla er som bidrog till min insamling till de som st{mt SCA f|r att f} tillg}ng till bokf|ringen: det h{r anl{nde idag, och med tiden kommer f|rmodligen en redog|relse f|r vart pengarna gick. > >Your donation arrived today. Many, many thanks! > >Please, don't apologize for the exchange rate. We understand completely, >and are more than grateful for what you have given. Your generosity is >deeply appreciated. > >-- Angharad > > From nordmark-request Sat Nov 5 02:12:21 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from skynet.ludd.luth.se (skynet.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.6]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA07251 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:12:20 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by skynet.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA01084 for nordmark; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:12:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199411050112.CAA01084@skynet.ludd.luth.se> Subject: vilken waiver???? To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 02:12:16 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 0 Status: RO From nordmark-request Sat Nov 5 09:55:10 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from adolf.ludd.luth.se (adolf.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.9]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA09133 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:55:09 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by adolf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA01727 for nordmark@ludd; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:55:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199411050855.JAA01727@adolf.ludd.luth.se> Subject: vilken waiver?? To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:55:01 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2601 Status: RO Salve allihopsens, Ulf h{r... Jag fick ett brev fr}n Styrbj|rn som p}pekade att jag inte haft n}gon text med i mitt f|rra brev om samma sak, Jag ber om urs{kt f|r det intr{ffade. (och hoppas att jag inte gjort n}gon s|mnl|s av nyfikenhet)... :-) Nu {r det s} att jag blidde ju medlem i SCA f|r tv} }r sedan och var medlem ett }r. Sedan fick jag pengabrist a'la akut och betalade inte in till SCA. Senare d} jag hade pengar och skulle f} tummen ur och betala s} kom det h{r problemet med waiversarna. i och med det s} betalade jag inte in till SCA d} heller och nu n{r det verkar ha l|sts sig s} t{nkte jag betala och }ter f} ett medlemskort. Jag har blanketten d{r det st}r $15 och allt, problemet {r att waivern som finns p} den verkar vara den som inte gillades och slutade g{lla. Waivern {r som f|ljer.... Assumption of Risk of Injury of SCA from Liability I desire to be a member...etc. I understand and acknowladge that participation in SCA events.....etc. I acknowledge and understand that SCA will not let me participate in SCA events unless I agree to all.....etc. 1 I expressly assume the risk of any injury whatsoever, no matter how serious or what its nature, no matter what its cause, whether caused by active or passive neglience of SCA or anyone else, by a condition of the property, or by any other cause. 2 I expressly release from liability, agree and covenant not to sue SCA, any SCA agent, SCA employee, SCA independent contractor or any other person for any injury I may recieve arising out of participation in any SCA event or activity, no matter how serious the injury is or what its nature is, and no matter what its cause. 3 I expressly agree to defend, hold harmless and to indemnify SCA and its agents respecting any claim made against SCA or its agents arising out of my participation in any SCA event or activity. 4 I have read and understand each of the terms and condotions in this document and understand that my agreement to them is a condition of my membership in the SCA and my participation in SCA events and activities. [r detta den waiver som g{ller eller....??? Jag vill liksom f} medlemsavgiften inbetald snart.... MVH / Ulf, undrande - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 08:09:57 1994 Return-Path: ERA.ERAAINA@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA15784 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 08:09:56 +0100 Received: from eds05.ericsson.se (eds05.ericsson.se [136.225.9.2]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.9/1.0) with ESMTP id IAA22271 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 08:09:55 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HJ6VUJ5A0G9CMDYO@eds.ericsson.se>; Mon, 07 Nov 1994 08:10:31 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 08:10:23 +100 MR-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Mon, 07 Nov 1994 08:10:23 +0100 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 08:10:00 +0100 From: "ERA.ERAAINA" Subject: Waiver?! To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-id: <39irqSChFh9KjNOM*@MHS> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE UA-content-id: 39irqSChFh9KjNOM X400-MTS-identifier: [;32018070114991/157648@EDS] Hop-count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAAINA 08-757 3505 94-11-07 08.10 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET Salve, Bara ett litet diskret p=E5pekande, f=F6r att bli medlem kr=E4vs inte att man signerar n=E5gon "waiver". Vad som g=E4ller f=F6r k=E4mpar d=E4remot(vad avser huruvida man f=E5r st=E4lla upp i torneringar etc utan att skriva p=E5 en "waiver" vet jag inte s=E4rskilt mycket om. Men f=F6r sj=E4lva medlemsskapets skull =E4r det inga problem om du inte signerar "waivern" p=E5 blanketten. M V H Heloise From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 09:04:38 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA15948 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:04:37 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA27261; Mon, 7 Nov 94 09:05:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Waiver?! To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 09:05:39 +0100 Message-Id: <941107.090539.36743@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Bara ett litet diskret p=E5pekande, f=F6r att bli medlem kr=E4vs inte >att man signerar n=E5gon "waiver". Vad som g=E4ller f=F6r k=E4mpar >d=E4remot(vad avser huruvida man f=E5r st=E4lla upp i torneringar etc >utan att skriva p=E5 en "waiver" vet jag inte s=E4rskilt mycket om. Lady Heloise har helt raett. Dessutom, aeven i fraaga om kaempar, "Makterna" inkl den amerikanska styrelsen (BoD) aer numera medvetna om att det haer med Waiver aer ett problem. Enligt en medlem i BoD:s waiverkommitte betraktar de sig f n inte kompetenta att formulera en internationellt giltig waiver; utredning paagaar. Om jag minns raett saa aer den senaste policyn fraan Drachenwald att vi ska vaenta tills det kommer en europeisk version av waivern. Saa kaenner naagon sig manad att foernya sitt medlemskap, kan ni mycket vael goera det utan att skriva paa naagon "viftare". Daeremot vill ovannaemnda kommitte gaerna ha aasikter (helst sakkunniga) i aerendet, och soeker framfoer allt kontakt med intresserade jurister utanfoer USA. Skriv till THL Brigid Morin le mage, MKA Anne M. Klingen, ANNEK@law-lab.memst.edu. /Catrin From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 11:35:49 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.1]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA16353 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:35:48 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by meryl.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA04407; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:35:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:35:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199411071035.LAA04407@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se's message of Mon, 7 Nov 94 09:05:39 +0100 <941107.090539.36743@macpost.lu.se> Subject: Waiver?! From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se Status: RO Jag vaentar fortfarande paa mitt blaa medlemskort foer 1994. SCA lovade skicka ett saadant om man fyllde i den nya dumma waivern och skickade in den, vilket jag gjorde i februari... William From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 12:47:58 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA16766 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:47:57 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA05158 for nordmark; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:30:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199411071130.MAA05158@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waiver?! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:30:52 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411071035.LAA04407@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Nov 7, 94 11:35:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1496 Status: RO > > Jag vaentar fortfarande paa mitt blaa medlemskort foer 1994. > SCA lovade skicka ett saadant om man fyllde i den nya dumma > waivern och skickade in den, vilket jag gjorde i februari... > > William > Jag fyllde inte i min waiver i iv}ras och jag fick ett bl{tt medlemskort {nd}. Jag hade fyllt i en f|rra g}ngen tyckte dom, men d} fick jag ett gult medlemskort. Som vanligt verkar dom inte veta vad dom sysslar med borta i usa. Men det {r ju bara dom som t{nker }ka till usa som beh|ver bry sig om waivern. Den saknar v{rde i sverige. I sverige g{ller svensk r{tt och inget annat. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 17:34:21 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.1]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA17880; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:34:20 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by meryl.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA09922; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:34:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:34:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199411071634.RAA09922@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: xordph@ludd.luth.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: "L. J|rgen \hman"'s message of Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:30:52 +0100 (MET) <199411071130.MAA05158@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Waiver?! From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se Status: RO Styrbj|rn kvad: >Men det {r ju bara dom som t{nker }ka till usa som beh|ver bry sig om >waivern. Menar du att man kan sl}ss utan waiver i Svedala? William From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 17:56:08 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from minerva.ludd.luth.se (minerva.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.25]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA18075 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:56:07 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by minerva.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA01702 for nordmark; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:56:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199411071656.RAA01702@minerva.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waiver?! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:56:00 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411071634.RAA09922@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Nov 7, 94 05:34:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1277 Status: RO > > Styrbj|rn kvad: > > >Men det {r ju bara dom som t{nker }ka till usa som beh|ver bry sig om > >waivern. > > Menar du att man kan sl}ss utan waiver i Svedala? > > William > * skrattar * Har du varit med om att n}n har kollat ? Jag vet folk som har lyckats b}de aktorisera och kriga utan att ens vara med i SCA. S} det g}r lika bra utan waiver, bara s} du vet. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 21:25:53 1994 Return-Path: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Received: from bronze.lcs.mit.edu (bronze.lcs.mit.edu [18.30.0.254]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA19647 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:25:50 +0100 Received: by bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Sendmail 8.6.9/940527.SGW) id PAA22921; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:23:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:23:27 -0500 From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Message-Id: <199411072023.PAA22921@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> To: NORTH@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, calontir@unl.edu, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, lgrant@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu Subject: Board Pays Judgment Status: RO Greetings, all. At least one mailer appears to have choked on the following announcement, so we are reposting it. We apologize to those who have already received it intact once for the repetition. ========================================================================= Greetings to the good gentles of the Known World, from Baron Hossein Ali Qomi, the Committee to Save Our Society, and the Mandamus Petitioners. It is our pleasure to announce that the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc. have issued a check in the full amount of the fees and court costs judgment related to the Mandamus action. We have now received confirmation that attorney for the petitioners received that check on November 5. We are highly pleased that the Board has finally decided to act responsibly, and regret the amount of popular pressure which has been required to bring about that outcome. We are deeply grateful to Ed Kreyling, Lee Forgue, and John Fulton for their tireless and unstinting efforts at resolving this situation. We look forward to working with them and with the rest of the Board as we continue to resolve the few remaining issues in the Mandamus action. In Service to the Society, and for the Committee to Save Our Society and the Mandamus Petitioners. Baron Hossein Ali Qomi Lion of Ansteorra Chairman, CSOS (Gregory Rose) From nordmark-request Mon Nov 7 23:33:37 1994 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:Michelle_Ringo@ed.gov> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA21819 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:33:34 +0100 Received: from unauthenticated@INET.ED.GOV by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b8/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA23630; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:33:32 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by ed.gov id AA784257077; Mon, 07 Nov 94 15:26:31 EST Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 15:26:31 EST From: "Michelle Ringo" Encoding: 14 Text Message-Id: <9410077842.AA784257077@ed.gov> To: Monica.Cellio@NL.CS.CMU.EDU, sca-reform@mit.edu, e5@uriacc.uri.edu, cns-outlands@cscns.com, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu, carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, sca-caid@anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu, calontir@unl.edu, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, northshield@stolaf.edu, atlantia-l@netcom.com Subject: Re: Board Shirks Bill and Threatens Bankruptcy Status: RO If the Board feels that the SCA cannot pay this bill in one lump sum, it should not negotiate directly with the creditor. Instead the Board should submit a repayment plan to the Judge for the Judge's approval. If the judge approves a monthly repayment plan with appropriate interest then the creditors will have to live with that. Filing for bankruptcy would not be necessary. Sincerely, Thalia Paleogina Resident of Atlantia (also mundanely an attorney at law - admitted to practice in the State of Maryland). From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 09:37:04 1994 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA25575 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:37:02 +0100 Received: from unauthenticated@akka.kemi.uu.se by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b8/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA00886; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:36:59 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA06209 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:35:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:35:37 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411080835.AA06209@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Waivern, igen.... Status: RO Hej alla paa hoegen, det aer Frithiof. Ulf skrev haeromdagen och undrade om medlemskap och 'waiver': Den blankett du har Ulf aer den med den gamla 'waivern'. Du kan skicka in den utan att skriva under, vad som haender aer att du faar ett vitt medlemskort och foervaentas fylla i en separat 'waiver' varje gaang du deltar i stridsrelaterade aktiviteter. Just den 'waiver' som staar paa den blanketten aer den som drogs tillbaka paa grund av protester fraan medlemmarna. Den springande punkten aer punkt 3: > I expressly agree to defend, hold harmless and to indemnify SCA and its > agents respecting any claim made against SCA or its agents arising out > of my participation in any SCA event or activity. Det daer med 'indemnify' innebaer att om naagon staemmer SCA,inc. paa grund av naagot du gjort, saa lovar du att betala alla SCAs kostnader! Naagon, jag minns inte vem, framhoell att "i Sverige gaeller svensk lag". Alldeles riktigt. Svensk lag innebaer att en oeverenskommelse maaste man haalla: Har du lovat att betala saa maaste du! Se vidare min artikel i 'Sparren foer naagra nummer sedan. Frithiof From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 11:04:10 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25898 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:04:09 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA10553 for nordmark; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:04:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199411081004.LAA10553@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waivern, igen.... To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:04:06 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411080835.AA06209@akka.kemi.uu.se> from "Sven Noren" at Nov 8, 94 09:35:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2602 Status: RO Hej ! > > Hej alla paa hoegen, det aer Frithiof. > > Ulf skrev haeromdagen och undrade om medlemskap och 'waiver': > Den blankett du har Ulf aer den med den gamla 'waivern'. Du kan skicka > in den utan att skriva under, vad som haender aer att du faar ett vitt > medlemskort och foervaentas fylla i en separat 'waiver' varje gaang du > deltar i stridsrelaterade aktiviteter. > > Just den 'waiver' som staar paa den blanketten aer den som drogs tillbaka > paa grund av protester fraan medlemmarna. Den springande punkten aer > punkt 3: > > I expressly agree to defend, hold harmless and to indemnify SCA and its > > agents respecting any claim made against SCA or its agents arising out > > of my participation in any SCA event or activity. > > Det daer med 'indemnify' innebaer att om naagon staemmer SCA,inc. paa > grund av naagot du gjort, saa lovar du att betala alla SCAs kostnader! > > Naagon, jag minns inte vem, framhoell att "i Sverige gaeller svensk > lag". Alldeles riktigt. Svensk lag innebaer att en oeverenskommelse > maaste man haalla: Har du lovat att betala saa maaste du! > > Se vidare min artikel i 'Sparren foer naagra nummer sedan. > > Frithiof > > I svensk lag/r{tt till{mpas rimlighets principer och det man lovar i punkt 3 p} waivern m}ste anses som klart orimligt och osk{ligt och saknar d{rf|r betydelse i sverige. Dessutom kan man vara hur dum som hellst n{r det g{ller finstilta dokument som man har skrivit under och {r dessutom dokumentet p} ett fr{mmande spr}k s} kan man alltid h{vda att man inte fattade vad man skrev under. Amerikansk lag och st{mmnings nonsens h|r hemma p} andra sidan p|len och jag hoppas den stannar d{r. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 12:10:05 1994 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:Kristina.Hildebrand@lobster.hsc.uu.se> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26177 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:10:03 +0100 Received: from unauthenticated@columba.UDAC.UU.SE by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b8/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA00548; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:10:00 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA05184 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:09:59 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA07902 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:09:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:09:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199411081109.AA07902@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: vift X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Hej p} er Visst borde man kunna sl}ss utan waiver - det {r inte l{ngre obligatoriskt att vara medlem f|r att f} sl}ss. Kungad|men kan kr{va medlemsskap av sina k{mpar, men s} vitt jag vet g|r inte Drachenwald det (har n}gon sett en lagbok p} sistone?). >I svensk lag/r{tt till{mpas rimlighets principer och det man lovar i >punkt 3 p} waivern m}ste anses som klart orimligt och osk{ligt och >saknar d{rf|r betydelse i sverige. Dessutom kan man vara hur dum som >hellst n{r det g{ller finstilta dokument som man har skrivit under och >{r dessutom dokumentet p} ett fr{mmande spr}k s} kan man alltid h{vda >att man inte fattade vad man skrev under. Amerikansk lag och st{mmnings >nonsens h|r hemma p} andra sidan p|len och jag hoppas den stannar d{r. [r du jurist? I annat fall h}ller jag nog fast vid min fars r}d (pensionerad tingsr{ttsdomare och justitier}d) att inte skriva under den h{r waivern. Celemon From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 12:35:30 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA26305 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:35:30 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA08333 for nordmark; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:35:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199411081135.MAA08333@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: vift To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:35:25 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411081109.AA07902@lobster.hsc.uu.se> from "Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se" at Nov 8, 94 12:09:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2241 Status: RO > > Hej p} er > Visst borde man kunna sl}ss utan waiver - det {r inte l{ngre obligatoriskt > att vara medlem f|r att f} sl}ss. Kungad|men kan kr{va medlemsskap av sina > k{mpar, men s} vitt jag vet g|r inte Drachenwald det (har n}gon sett en > lagbok p} sistone?). > > >I svensk lag/r{tt till{mpas rimlighets principer och det man lovar i > >punkt 3 p} waivern m}ste anses som klart orimligt och osk{ligt och > >saknar d{rf|r betydelse i sverige. Dessutom kan man vara hur dum som > >hellst n{r det g{ller finstilta dokument som man har skrivit under och > >{r dessutom dokumentet p} ett fr{mmande spr}k s} kan man alltid h{vda > >att man inte fattade vad man skrev under. Amerikansk lag och st{mmnings > >nonsens h|r hemma p} andra sidan p|len och jag hoppas den stannar d{r. > > [r du jurist? I annat fall h}ller jag nog fast vid min fars r}d > (pensionerad tingsr{ttsdomare och justitier}d) att inte skriva under den > h{r waivern. > Celemon > > Jag har l{st "lite" juridik och har diskuterat denna sak med n}gra av mina l{rare. Slutsatsen {r att man givetvis inte ska skriva under waivern, men om man skulle ha r}kat skriva under den s} l{r man klarar sig undan {nd}. Den {r klart osk{lig med svenska m}tt m{tt. Den ligger ju skyh|gt |ver det svenska "deltagande i SCA's verksamheter sker p} egen risk" som kan anses rimligt. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 13:39:21 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA26596 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:39:20 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA06916 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:37:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:37:58 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411081237.AA06916@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Waiversar! Status: RO >> punkt 3: >> > I expressly agree to defend, hold harmless and to indemnify SCA and its >> > agents respecting any claim made against SCA or its agents arising out >> > of my participation in any SCA event or activity. >> >I svensk lag/r{tt till{mpas rimlighets principer och det man lovar i >punkt 3 p} waivern m}ste anses som klart orimligt och osk{ligt och >saknar d{rf|r betydelse i sverige. Dessutom kan man vara hur dum som >hellst n{r det g{ller finstilta dokument som man har skrivit under och >{r dessutom dokumentet p} ett fr{mmande spr}k s} kan man alltid h{vda >att man inte fattade vad man skrev under. Amerikansk lag och st{mmnings >nonsens h|r hemma p} andra sidan p|len och jag hoppas den stannar d{r. > > MVH Styrbj|rn Tyv{rr Styrbj|rn, man kan inte vara hur dum som helst n{r man skriver p} n}got. Den tolkning som jag citerade av punkt tre i 'waivern' {r inte min, den {r gjord av en jurist som jag kontaktade just betr{ffande om denna 'waiver' var laglig. Hans bed|mning var att den {r det. Ing}nget avtal g{ller tills det sagts upp. Nu {r ju fr}gan hursomhelst |verspelad, denna 'waiver' {r indragen och ingen ny har kommit i dess st{lle. BoD har f|r |vrigt l}tit bland annat Drachenwald formulera egna 'waivers', arbetet l{r p}g} just nu. Finns det n}gon jurist eller lagkunnig som vill l{ggga synpunkter p} utformningen borde de nog kontakta Drachenwalds drots snarast. Hon l{r i alla fall inte fr}ga efter andras }sikter, s} det {r v{l lika bra att framf|ra dem oombedd! Frithiof P.S: Styrbj|rn, kan du inte g|ra din avsignatur litet mindre? Den {r ju ofta lika stor eller st|rre {n sj{lva meddelandet. D.S. From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 13:52:23 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA26726 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:52:22 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA10788 for nordmark; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:52:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199411081252.NAA10788@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waiversar! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:52:17 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411081237.AA06916@akka.kemi.uu.se> from "Sven Noren" at Nov 8, 94 01:37:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2919 Status: RO hej ! > > >> punkt 3: > >> > I expressly agree to defend, hold harmless and to indemnify SCA and its > >> > agents respecting any claim made against SCA or its agents arising out > >> > of my participation in any SCA event or activity. > >> > >I svensk lag/r{tt till{mpas rimlighets principer och det man lovar i > >punkt 3 p} waivern m}ste anses som klart orimligt och osk{ligt och > >saknar d{rf|r betydelse i sverige. Dessutom kan man vara hur dum som > >hellst n{r det g{ller finstilta dokument som man har skrivit under och > >{r dessutom dokumentet p} ett fr{mmande spr}k s} kan man alltid h{vda > >att man inte fattade vad man skrev under. Amerikansk lag och st{mmnings > >nonsens h|r hemma p} andra sidan p|len och jag hoppas den stannar d{r. > > > > MVH Styrbj|rn > > Tyv{rr Styrbj|rn, man kan inte vara hur dum som helst n{r man skriver > p} n}got. Den tolkning som jag citerade av punkt tre i 'waivern' {r > inte min, den {r gjord av en jurist som jag kontaktade just betr{ffande > om denna 'waiver' var laglig. Hans bed|mning var att den {r det. > Ing}nget avtal g{ller tills det sagts upp. > > Nu {r ju fr}gan hursomhelst |verspelad, denna 'waiver' {r indragen och > ingen ny har kommit i dess st{lle. BoD har f|r |vrigt l}tit bland annat > Drachenwald formulera egna 'waivers', arbetet l{r p}g} just nu. > Finns det n}gon jurist eller lagkunnig som vill l{ggga synpunkter p} > utformningen borde de nog kontakta Drachenwalds drots snarast. Hon > l{r i alla fall inte fr}ga efter andras }sikter, s} det {r v{l lika bra > att framf|ra dem oombedd! > Frithiof Man f}r vara hur dum som hellst enligt vissa jurister... [ven jurister kan ha olika }sikter, s} det finns inget som s{ger att din jurist har mer r{tt {n min f|re det [r pr|vat i r{tten. :-) > > P.S: Styrbj|rn, kan du inte g|ra din avsignatur litet mindre? > Den {r ju ofta lika stor eller st|rre {n sj{lva meddelandet. D.S. > > Nej, jag tycker den [r lagom och alla borde ha en riktig avsignatur. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 14:45:38 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA27501 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:45:37 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA11914 for nordmark; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:45:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199411081345.OAA11914@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waiversar! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:45:35 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9411081324.AA01063@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> from "Morgan Broman" at Nov 8, 94 02:24:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1942 Status: RO > > >> >Dessutom kan man vara hur dum som > >> >hellst n{r det g{ller finstilta dokument som man har skrivit under > >> > MVH Styrbj|rn > > >> Tyv{rr Styrbj|rn, man kan inte vara hur dum som helst n{r man skriver > >> p} n}got. > >> Frithiof > >Man f}r vara hur dum som hellst enligt vissa jurister... > > Slutsats : Man faar va' hur dum som helst ! > > Ciao > Morgan// > .....aeven om man aer advokat ! > > -- > HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vis et Gloria (Motto) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put > together in a random fashion, to create eternity... > > Morgan (a.k.a Shade) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. > Klart man f}r var hur dum som helst, vi lever ju i ett fritt land. :-) MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 16:14:20 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA28053 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:14:18 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA07511 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:12:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:12:56 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411081512.AA07511@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: dumhet Status: RO Dumhet {r inte straffbart, men den kan straffa sig.... F. From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 19:19:55 1994 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:vader@csd.uu.se> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29047; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:19:53 +0100 Received: from unauthenticated@meryl.csd.uu.se by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b8/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA14576; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:19:51 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by meryl.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA28706; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:19:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:19:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199411081819.TAA28706@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: xordph@ludd.luth.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: "L. J|rgen \hman"'s message of Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:52:17 +0100 (MET) <199411081252.NAA10788@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Waiversar! From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se Status: RO Detta {r inget personangrepp mot Styrbj|rn, men SN[LLA! Man M]STE INTE citera hela den f|reg}ende diskussionen f|r att skriva en kommentar. Jag HATAR att f} meddelanden som best}r av flera sk{rmsidor med > och >>-markerad text som jag redan l{st. Visa lite omtanke, tag er tiden att klippa ut n}gon enstaka mening om ni vill visa vilket sammanhang ni befinner er i... William Tr|tt From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 19:22:38 1994 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:vader@csd.uu.se> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29064; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:22:36 +0100 Received: from unauthenticated@meryl.csd.uu.se by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b8/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA14598; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:22:35 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by meryl.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA28727; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:22:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:22:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199411081822.TAA28727@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: xordph@ludd.luth.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: "L. J|rgen \hman"'s message of Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:45:35 +0100 (MET) <199411081345.OAA11914@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Waiversar! From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se Status: RO Dessutom HATAR jag folk som har l}nga sidf|tter, disclaimers, "trevliga citat" och annan SM\RJA i botten p} sina brev. Morr! Jag vill l{sa vad folk skriver, ta bort allt omgivande trams som fyller min brevl}da, n|ter p} min sk{rm och skrynklar min hj{rna. William Sur von Puppa From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 23:03:30 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from skynet.ludd.luth.se (skynet.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.6]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA00565 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:03:29 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by skynet.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA00891 for nordmark@ludd; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:03:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199411082203.XAA00891@skynet.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waiversar! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:03:25 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411081822.TAA28727@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Nov 8, 94 07:22:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 778 Status: RO > > Dessutom HATAR jag folk som har l}nga sidf|tter, disclaimers, > "trevliga citat" och annan SM\RJA i botten p} sina brev. > Morr! Jag vill l{sa vad folk skriver, ta bort allt omgivande > trams som fyller min brevl}da, n|ter p} min sk{rm och > skrynklar min hj{rna. > > William Sur von Puppa > Det {r d{rf|r "SM\RJAN" finns p} slutet... / Ulf, tramsig - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Tue Nov 8 23:08:56 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from skynet.ludd.luth.se (skynet.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.6]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA00612 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:08:54 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by skynet.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA00900 for nordmark; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:08:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199411082208.XAA00900@skynet.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Waiversen/arna! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:08:50 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 822 Status: RO Hallojsan Allihopsens.... Jag brukar t{nka enligt f|ljande..... ....Jag bor inte i det stora frihetslandet i v{ster, och just d{rf|r kan jag g|ra n{stan preces vad jag vill. :-) Jag tycker det {r trevligt att kunna starta en debatt(?) med en enkel fr}ga om ett sketet litet papper som kanske/kanske inte har ens en sexuell betydelse h{r i gamla Svedala. Forts{tt i den goda andan. / Ulf, hetsande... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Wed Nov 9 01:37:17 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA01305 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:37:16 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA00702 for nordmark; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:37:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199411090037.BAA00702@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waiversar! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:37:09 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411081822.TAA28727@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Nov 8, 94 07:22:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1234 Status: RO > > Dessutom HATAR jag folk som har l}nga sidf|tter, disclaimers, > "trevliga citat" och annan SM\RJA i botten p} sina brev. > Morr! Jag vill l{sa vad folk skriver, ta bort allt omgivande > trams som fyller min brevl}da, n|ter p} min sk{rm och > skrynklar min hj{rna. > > William Sur von Puppa > Har du tr}ng brevl}da ? :-D MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Wed Nov 9 02:15:47 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA01431 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:15:46 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA01706 for nordmark; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:15:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199411090115.CAA01706@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Waiversar! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:15:38 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411081819.TAA28706@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Nov 8, 94 07:19:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1558 Status: RO Hej ! > > Detta {r inget personangrepp mot Styrbj|rn, men SN[LLA! > Man M]STE INTE citera hela den f|reg}ende diskussionen > f|r att skriva en kommentar. Jag HATAR att f} meddelanden > som best}r av flera sk{rmsidor med > och >>-markerad > text som jag redan l{st. Visa lite omtanke, tag er tiden > att klippa ut n}gon enstaka mening om ni vill visa vilket > sammanhang ni befinner er i... > > William Tr|tt > Detta {r inte heller n}tt personangrepp. Ni som inte [r vana att skriva med citat och >, >> mm. b|r v{nja er f|r det [r s} man b\r skriva f|r att vara s{ker p} att folk fattar vad man menar. Ett l}ngt brev {r ett trevligt brev... MVH Styrbj|rn, less. x(***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Wed Nov 9 08:23:15 1994 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.1.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA02939 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:23:12 +0100 Received: (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.9/8.6.4) id IAA05257 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:23:05 +0100 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199411090723.IAA05257@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Snits och stil p} n{tet To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List (Prath|gen)) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 8:23:02 MET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL11] Status: RO Ingen jag har haft den {ran med att konversera med p} det stora n{tet Rialto har varit roade av stora signaturer eller extensivt citerande av tidigare inl{gg; d{remot har ett flertal varit ondgjort sig |ver dylikt bruk. Till yttermera visso rekommenderas i det m}natliga utskicket p} Rialto om "Netiquette" just att man trimmar ned citaten och inte f|rser sina inl{gg med stora signaturer. Sj{lv har jag alltid beundrat formen p} inl{ggen fr}n Arval Benicoeur (som {ven kallar sig Arval d'Nord), i det att han signerar med endast 2 rader (!), och trimmar ned citaten till ett minimum. Fullt tillr{ckligt f|r att se vem som skrivit vad. Peder Klingrode ! Leif Euren Stockholm, Sweden Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald ! leeu@celsiustech.se From nordmark-request Wed Nov 9 13:37:14 1994 Return-Path: Kristina.Hildebrand@lobster.hsc.uu.se Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA04508 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:37:13 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA38861 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:37:11 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA18973 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:37:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:37:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199411091237.AA18973@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: Re: Payment from Board X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Hej allihop, Om ni undrar vad det {r jag samlar in pengar till (jag publicerade ett tack p} NML f|r en tid sedan) s} kommer en f|rklaring h{r: > >Hi. Alaric asks: > >> Does the payment from Milpitas represent all the costs incurred by the >> petitioners? Are there any that will not be covered as part of the >> payment? > >Yes. The judgment covers _only_ lawyer's fees through September 8 and >court filing fees. Some of the things it doesn't cover include: > > * lawyers fees for the two months between the judgment and > the time they finally paid > > * travel costs for the seven-I-can-think-of-offhand long-distance > trips made explicitly to negotiate on this matter (I am counting > heads, not meetings; there are two cases where two people were > present) > > * phone costs for negotiating conferences > > * phone costs for communicating with our attorney > > * phone costs for communicating with each other > > * _tons_ of xeroxing (we're talking more than a case of paper here) > > * some postage > >... and the list goes on. The total is going to be (we don't have the final >bill from our attorney yet) something like $11-12K over and above the amount >of the judgment. Of that, fund raising gathered about $5K, leaving us about >$6-7K in the hole. > >Believe me, we only _wish_ we had extra left over from the fund raising. > >A complete accounting will be ready soon (when we have our final bill, etc.) >and available to any donors for the asking. > >-- Angharad > > From nordmark-request Wed Nov 9 23:51:28 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00676 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:41:31 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:33:06 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA07209; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:42:32 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9411090742.AA07209@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Returned mail: Sent again ! To: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 8:42:32 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 mother.ludd.luth.se (tcprelay)... Host unknown >550 ... Host unknown Gick servern 'ner' igaar ? >> >Dessutom kan man vara hur dum som >> >hellst n{r det g{ller finstilta dokument som man har skrivit under >> > MVH Styrbj|rn >> Tyv{rr Styrbj|rn, man kan inte vara hur dum som helst n{r man skriver >> p} n}got. >> Frithiof >Man f}r vara hur dum som hellst enligt vissa jurister... Slutsats : Man faar va' hur dum som helst ! Ciao Morgan// .....aeven om man aer advokat ! -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Wed Nov 9 23:57:38 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00682 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:41:46 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:34:17 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA07221; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:43:43 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9411090743.AA07221@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Returned mail: Another one... To: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 8:43:43 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >550 mother.ludd.luth.se (tcprelay)... Host unknown >550 ... Host unknown Har foeljt debatten om 'waivern' paa NML. Aen saa laenge gaeller medlemskap foer att deltaga i kaempaleker i Drachenwald, eventuella aendringar har aennu inte publicerats eller kungjorts. Vad gaeller sk 'rimligt' saa aer den diskutionen egentligen helt ointressant. Det finns i Sverige regler foer foereningar som aegnar sig att kampsporter, det blir dessa regler som (enl. mina advokatvaenner) kommer att tilllaempas om det leder till raettsfall. Grunden foer bedoemning aer att man naer man tar paa sig rustning foar att slaass, eller paa annat saett deltager i aktivitet av detta slag, saa aer man medveten om att det finns en skaderisk. Marskarnas kontroll av utrustning har _ingen_ inbyggd garanti eller saa. Deltagaren aer sjaelv ansvarig....saa skoet om din utrustning...;) Ett intressant fall att foelja blir det med de personer som aadragit sig skador i hockeyrinkar nyligen. Dessa personer aer endast publik, men enligt vad vi nu vet kommer de ej att kunna kraeva naagot direkt skadestaand....vi faar vael se..?! MvH Morgan// ...ej sjaelv advokat, men med foersaenkningar i branschen..;) -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Thu Nov 10 09:39:03 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04422 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:39:02 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA00706 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:37:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:37:38 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411100837.AA00706@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: medlemskap Status: RO > Har foeljt debatten om 'waivern' paa NML. Aen saa laenge gaeller >medlemskap foer att deltaga i kaempaleker i Drachenwald, eventuella aendringar >har aennu inte publicerats eller kungjorts. BoD drog tillbaka kravet paa medlemskap foer deltagande i stridrelaterade aktiviteter, just naer Middle Kingdom hade gjort det till lag. AEr detta lag i Drachenwald, eller 'policy'? > Grunden foer bedoemning aer att man naer man tar paa sig rustning >foar att slaass, eller paa annat saett deltager i aktivitet av detta slag, >saa aer man medveten om att det finns en skaderisk. 'Waivern' var aldrig avsedd att skydda kaemparna, den var avsedd att skydda SCA,inc. Anledningen till protesterna mot punkt tre i "Provines Waiver" var att man aatog sig att ersaetta SCA foer krav fraan tredje part! Att tro att det inte spelar naagon roll om man skriver paa en 'waiver' eller inte eftersom de inte gaeller i Sverige kan vara ett misstag. Om du aer medlem i en 'corporation' baserad i Californien kan du aatalas enligt Californisk lag, enligt en USAmerikansk jurist jag brevvaexlat med. Foer att nu inte tala om vad som kan haenda om man besoeker till exempel Pennsic.... Skriv inte under naagot du inte aer saeker paa att du kan staa foer! Frithiof Sigvardsson Skaegge, Aros/Nordmark/Drachenwald Sven Noren, Uppsala/Sweden Sven.Noren@kemi.uu.se From nordmark-request Fri Nov 11 17:57:29 1994 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from gateway.informix.com (gateway.informix.com [192.216.240.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14407 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:57:24 +0100 Received: from informix.com (infmx.informix.com) by gateway.informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12850; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:57:17 PST Received: from atlas (atlas.informix.com) by informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07603; Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:57:14 PST Received: by atlas (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA29564; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:56:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:56:00 -0600 From: Russell Cole Posted-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:56:00 -0600 Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:56:00 -0600 Message-Id: <9411111656.AA29564@atlas> Subject: Ballad of CSOS To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Status: RO Hey Nordmarkers, I have seen all the damn posts from CSOS on your list. I thought you might get a kick out of this song. Enjoy! Rusty the Amberman(exiled in america) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have gotten several requests to post this, and no declines, so here goes. _Ballad_of_CSOS_, by HL Mathurin Kerbusso copyright 1994 by Rex Deaver, permission to transmit verbally, electronically or in printed form is hereby granted. It started in Winter, AS XXVIII. The BoD made pronouncements that no one could take. Now, some of us fought them, and some of us yawned, but that's when the Serpent, CSOS, spawned. O, they'll save our Society, they swear that it's true. They'll save our Society, whatever they do. They'll save our Society from the wicked old BoD, And us from ourselves; they've a calling from God! Now one of them thinks he's a Master of Law, But what he believes, it might stick in your craw. He once read a book on the subject it seems, But he only read parts that agreed with his dreams. Another believes revolution is gain. Most know it's nothing but heartache and pain. But like banty rooster who crows at false dawn, What little he's found is much less than what's gone. O, they'll save our Society, they swear that they will. They'll save our Society, then hand us the bill. They'll save our Society, but you must realize That what they'll be saving, you won't recognize! Now a third one, you know, has put Truth on the shelf; I've never seen one man more full of himself! The problem, it seems, is he thinks we're all fools. If he swears the sky's azure, you can bet that it's gules! Yet another has concepts of honor quite quaint; His courteous aspect would p*ss off a saint! But he knows everything, and I swear that it's true; Just ask, he'll be glad to confirm it for you! O, they'll save our Society, they promise to do. They'll save our Society, or else they'll turn blue! They'll save our Society, if shouting will serve! Apparently, more than the Bod needs a CURB. Now, it ended in Autumn, AS XXIX. A kingdom or two nearly was left behind. But just like Man cast from the Garden, it feels... For CSOS is still bruising our heels! O, don't save our Society, we're begging of you. Don't save our Society, whatever you do. Don't save our Society, it's not really lost, And the service you offer is not worth the cost! -- Rex Deaver, (SCA Mathurin Kerbusso) "All roads lead to another road..." rdeaver@tyrell.net From nordmark-request Mon Nov 14 13:34:19 1994 Return-Path: Kristina.Hildebrand@lobster.hsc.uu.se Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA24299 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:34:18 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA27708 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:34:16 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA01906 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:34:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:34:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199411141234.AA01906@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: CSOS X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO >Hey Nordmarkers, > >I have seen all the damn posts from CSOS on your list. I thought >you might get a kick out of this song. > >Enjoy! > >Rusty the Amberman(exiled in america) What an interesting way of putting it. Does anyone else have a problem with my forwarding information? Celemon From nordmark-request Mon Nov 14 16:44:32 1994 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from gateway.informix.com (gateway.informix.com [192.216.240.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA25014 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:44:26 +0100 Received: from informix.com (infmx.informix.com) by gateway.informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27938; Mon, 14 Nov 94 07:44:01 PST Received: from atlas (atlas.informix.com) by informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28857; Mon, 14 Nov 94 07:43:58 PST Received: by atlas (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA19136; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:42:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:42:42 -0600 From: Russell Cole Posted-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:42:42 -0600 Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:42:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9411141542.AA19136@atlas> Subject: Re: CSOS To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Status: RO >>Hey Nordmarkers, >> >>I have seen all the damn posts from CSOS on your list. I thought >>you might get a kick out of this song. >> >>Enjoy! >> >>Rusty the Amberman(exiled in america) >What an interesting way of putting it. Does anyone else have a problem with >my forwarding information? >Celemon > > Celemon, I don't have a problem with the information(my delete button works very well). I just don't really like the CSOS. In Calontir, we have been deluged by many, many posts from CSOS members and have grown weary of it. I didn't mean to cause offense with my offhanded remark and if I have done so I apologize. I just thought that the song(written by a friend here in Calontir)) might be of amusement to everyone in Nordmark. Again I'm really sorry Celemon. Rusty(taking his foot out of his mouth) From nordmark-request Tue Nov 15 09:55:20 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA02934 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:55:19 +0100 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA29093 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:55:17 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA00802; Tue, 15 Nov 94 09:55:47 +0100 Subject: Re: CSOS To: rcole@informix.com Cc: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 09:56:07 +0100 Message-Id: <941115.095607.42240@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO Amberman: I know Celemon can and does fight her own battles, but I'm the other person who's been forwarding reform-related information to Nordmark. I respect your right to have an opinion and to express it, but don't appreciate your methods. >... ... I just don't really like the CSOS. In Calontir, we have been >deluged by many, many posts from CSOS members and have grown weary of it. Well, in Nordmark we have not. Here, we definitely haven't had a "deluge" of information, opinions etc on the current mess from any source, CSOS or otherwise. I don't know if you have a problem with _all_ reform-related information reposted to Nordmark, or only with that from CSOS, or if you don't notice the difference. I happen to feel that Nordmarkers have a right to know when somebody is trying to con them out of their money or f--- with them in other ways, and as long as I have good reasons to believe that the information is reliable, I get it from whatever sources I can and pass it on. If you don't want this information, as you say, your delete button works fine. If you think that this information is tendentious and wrong, you are free to argue the matter. Personal attacks and name-calling, which is what the song contains, are not appropriate means, at least not in my book. >... ...the song(written by a friend here in >Calontir)) might be of amusement to everyone in Nordmark. Obviously not to everyone. I can see the song in its context, with Calontir people being fed up with what they see as propaganda interfering with their playing. Please understand that our context is different. Your sympathies may be with Nordmark, but your everyday life is elsewhere. /Catrin From nordmark-request Tue Nov 15 16:19:31 1994 Return-Path: Kristina.Hildebrand@lobster.hsc.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA05456 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:19:30 +0100 Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29805 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:19:29 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA19485 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:19:27 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA14212 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:19:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:19:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199411151519.AA14212@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: Resend of Report of the Oct. BoD Meeting X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Jag t{nkte skicka det h{r till Aina; eftersom jag har f|rlagt hennes adress g}r det till listan. De som inte {r intresserade av anteckningar fr}n senaste BoDm|tet kan bara radera... Celemon > >Greetings from Hossein! > The following is a 5-page, single-spaced summary of what happened at >the October Board meeting in Dallas. > >Hossein/Greg > >TEXT FOLLOWS > > > The October Board meeting began with confirmation of John Fulton as a >Director and Joan Lambert as Society Minister of Arts and Sciences. > > The Executive Director (Sandra Dodd) reported that SCA, Inc. has >obtained release from the MBNA credit card contract; other action items in >the ED's report were deferred to New Business. > > The Society Seneschal (Betsey Ellis) reported that: > (1) She had made three ruling interpreting the corporation's governing > documents: > (a) Kingdoms may adopt legislation requiring pay-to-fight; > (b) Fighting Royal Lists on a "champion" basis is contrary to > Corpora; > (c) If a kingdom officer cannot swear an oath on religious > grounds, that officer may not be removed from office for > failure to swear an oath. > The Board did not act to overrule these decisions of the Society > Seneschal. > (2) The Office of the Society Seneschal was over budget on office > expenses as of the October meeting and she requested transfer of > $1000 in travel funds to the office expenses category. > (3) The non-member surcharge has raised $15,338 as of the week before > the meeting, of which approximately $10,000 came from Pennsic. > (3) Pennsic membership sales raised approximately $12-15,000 in new > memberships. > (4) She requested approval of membership sales at Estrella and funding > for her travel and recruitment of staff to man the booth; she > indicated that she would try to set up near troll, but that it was > entirely up to the autocrat. > (5) An Tir has made a $1,000 site deposit for XXXth Year Anniversary; > site fee is expected to be $25 per person. > > The Corporate Treasurer (A.J. Riviezzo) presented the Chancellor of the >Exchequer report: > (1) The Board has received the proposed Branch Financial Policy; > action by the Board was deferred to the January meeting. > (2) The C of the E requested that the Board add a requirement for > local groups in Corpora, namely a requirement that a local > exchequer office be filled as a condition for official group > status; the Board remanded this request to the IAC for comment. > The Ombudsman for the Corporate Office (A.J. Riviezzo) reported that: > (1) There were 26,415 members as of October 1994. > (2) He recommended adoption of a policy implementing the Books of > Account provision of By-Laws X; on Tuesdays and Thursdays, from > 10am to 2 pm (or 12pm to 3pm), members may examine the Books of > Account at the corporate office; reasonable charges for copying > will be made and questions pertaining to the books should be > directed to the Treasurer in writing. The Board adopted this > policy. > > Laurel Sovereign of Arms had no action items. > > The Society Marshal report was presented by the office's Ombudsman >(John Fulton): > (1) He requested permission to reexamine the issue of hardwood spears; > the Board indicated that he could commission whatever research he > saw fit, but it was not disposed at the present time to alter the > spear policy. > (2) He is advertising for an Archery Marshal Deputy. > (3) He indicated that the current waiver as used in Canada is > defective, since Canadian law requires an acknowledgment of risk; > the Board remanded the issue to the Waiver Committee. > > The Society Chronicler report was presented by the office's Ombudsman >(A.J. Riviezzo): > (1) The Chronicler had no written report; > (2) The TI Art Director has requested funding for a computer system > ($7,000); the Board denied the request and suggested fundraising > at the kingdoms level. > > The Society A&S Minister report was presented by the Ombudsman for that >office (Ed Kreyling): > (1) There will be a Known World A&S Consortium in St. Louis in April, > 1995. > (2) The Board confirmed Juelda of Salisbury as Society A&S Minister > drop-dead deputy. > > The Society Chirurgeon General's report was presented by the Ombudsman >for that office (John Fulton): > (1) There will be a Known World Chirurgeon's Symposium in An Tir in > November, 1994. > (2) The Chirurgeon General is advertising for a successor. > > The following Committee reports were presented: > (1) Grand Council: > (a) Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire was appointed Coordinator of > the Grand Council by the Board. > (b) A Draft Charter was approved by the Board in principle and he > final text remanded for consideration at the January 1995 > meeting. > (c) The Board ratified the appointment of kingdom representatives > to the GC for those kingdoms which had submitted names. > (d) The Board ratified the Executive Director's recommended > appointments: Aeflaed, Caroline, Justin de Coeur, Cariadoc of > the Bow, Gareth (mka Roy Gathercoal), Tibor of Rock Valley > (pending his acceptance), and "a lawyer from California" > (nobody was certain of his full SCA name or his mundane > name). > (2) Interkingdom Advisory Council: > (a) The IAC is now fully staffed. > (b) The IAC is currently discussing rewriting of banishment > rules, whether the corporation should regulate inter-kingdom > treaties, and whether the IAC should have a chairman. > (3) Finance Committee: > (a) A.J. Riviezzo reported that he had received two applications > for the Finance Committee but had taken no action yet. > (4) Computer Committee: > (a) Randall Tatro reported that the had received two resumes for > the Computer Committee but had taken no action yet. > (5) Board Recruiting: > (a) L. Jane Richards reported that a new list of Board candidates > would be printed in the upcoming TI. > (6) Marketing Committee: > (a) Ed Kreyling indicated that he needed volunteers to serve on > this committee. > (7) Waiver Committee: > (a) John Fulton reported that the committee was drafting a waiver > which could be tailored to the needs of individual states; he > was uncertain when the committee would submit its main > report, but hoped it could happen at the January 1995 > meeting. > > The Librarian/Archivist reported that she is advertising for a >successor. > > The next Board meeting was set for January 14, 1995 in Milpitas, >California. > > The following items were addressed as Old Business: > (1) The Board declined further review of the banishment of a former > king and queen of Atenveldt. > (2) The proposed policy of giving 60-days notice before implementing > any policy which would affect the membership was remanded to the > January 1995 meeting. > (3) The Branch Financial Policy implementation date of Nov. 1, 1995 > was suspended and discussion of the policy remanded to the January > 1995 meeting. > > The Board then announced results of the Executive Session which >occurred during the lunch break: > (1) Sandra Dodd resigned as Executive Director, effective at the > conclusion of the October meeting. > (2) The Executive Director position would not be filled immediately. > (3) A new position of Executive Assistant to the Board was created and >Lori Taylor, a friend of Sandra Dodd, was appointed to it; Sandra Dodd was >hired as Taylor's clerk at $200 per month. The Executive Assistant will >continue the paperwork functions of the ED. The policy functions of the ED >will be transferred in the interim to the Society Seneschal to whom the >Executive Assistant will report. > > The following items were addressed as New Business: > (1) The proposal to separate the offices of Secretary and Treasurer > from the Board was remanded to the January 1995 meeting. > (2) The Board approved appointment of Board members for the SCA/South > Australia Board. > (3) The Board proposed the following change to the By-Laws VII, A, 2 > and 3: > "2. Executive Vice-President. The Executive Vice-President shall >manage the administration of the Society's historical re-creations through >a network of Regional Vice-presidents and shall supervise the Executive >Director. The Executive Vice-President may sign and authorize instruments >required for the the conduct of the Society's historical re-creations, >and may delegate similar responsibilities. The duties of this position >are further defined in Corpora, as provided in Article XIII of these >By-Laws. > "3. Executive Director. The Executive Director shall supervise >and control all of the business and administrative affairs, specifically >including all modern regulatory compliance issues, under the supervision >of the Executive Vice-President. The Executive Director (may/shall) also >be given direct tasks and assignments by the Board of Directors and shall >be answerable to the Board directly on these assignments. The Executive >Director may sign and authorize such instruments as he or she deems >appropriate to conduct the Society's proper business, and may delegate >similar responsibilities. (See also Governing & Policy Decision 7) > "In the event of the absence or incapacity of the Executive >Director, the duties shall be apportioned at the discretion of the Board." >This measure was remanded to the January 1995 meeting. > (4) On a motion by Lee Forgue, the Board approved creation of an >Insurance Committee. > (5) Lee Forgue made a motion to establish an Audit Committee to >facilitate fiscal oversight and accountability. Objections from the >Corporate Treasurer, A.J. Riviezzo, that this duplicated the work of the >Finance Committee resulted in withdrawal of the motion. > (6) The Board officially defined SCA membership" for purposes of By- >Laws X as anyone who has paid the fee for any of the membership categories >listed in Corpora. > From nordmark-request Tue Nov 15 16:55:36 1994 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA05813 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:55:34 +0100 Received: from gateway.informix.com (gateway.informix.com [192.216.240.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29898 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:55:27 +0100 Received: from informix.com (infmx.informix.com) by gateway.informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25280; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:55:01 PST Received: from atlas (atlas.informix.com) by informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29489; Tue, 15 Nov 94 07:54:57 PST Received: by atlas (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA19057; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:53:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:53:41 -0600 From: Russell Cole Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:53:41 -0600 Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:53:41 -0600 Message-Id: <9411151553.AA19057@atlas> Subject: Re: CSOS To: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Cc: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se Status: RO >Amberman: I know Celemon can and does fight her own battles, but I'm the other >person who's been forwarding reform-related information to Nordmark. I respect >your right to have an opinion and to express it, but don't appreciate your >methods. Yes I will agree about the battle point, I know also know and respect Celemon. A battle was not what was intended, please see below. >Well, in Nordmark we have not. Here, we definitely haven't had a "deluge" of >information, opinions etc on the current mess from any source, CSOS or >otherwise. I don't know if you have a problem with _all_ reform-related >information reposted to Nordmark, or only with that from CSOS, or if you don't >notice the difference. I happen to feel that Nordmarkers have a right to know >when somebody is trying to con them out of their money or f--- with them in >other ways, and as long as I have good reasons to believe that the information >is reliable, I get it from whatever sources I can and pass it on. >If you don't want this information, as you say, your delete button works fine. >If you think that this information is tendentious and wrong, you are free to >argue the matter. Personal attacks and name-calling, which is what the song >contains, are not appropriate means, at least not in my book. Catrin, I think you and I are both on the same side(correct me if I'm wrong). I don't feel that the actions of the CSOS were necessary and may have been taken to the extreme. The cost of the lawsuit vs. the gains of it don't equal out(IMO). On the Calontir list we have had, I think, a lot more stuff posted by Hussain and the other CSOS people. I agree that everyone has a right to know when they ^^^^^ are being cheated out of their money. I am not, nor ever will be an advocate of censorship of any kind. The passing of information is an important thing and needs to continue. >Obviously not to everyone. I can see the song in its context, with Calontir >people being fed up with what they see as propaganda interfering with their >playing. Please understand that our context is different. Your sympathies may >be with Nordmark, but your everyday life is elsewhere. :::sigh::: you are right, even though I have lived in Sweden for about 10 months total now, your context is different from mine. There are somethings that I will really *never* understand that are uniquely Swedish and uniquely Nordmark. I forget that sometimes and need to watch the cultural differences. In Calontir if we don't like something or if we like something, or even if we just feel like it we write songs. I saw this song as being a satire on what is going on with the CSOS and took what it said with a grain of salt. I thought this would be a little amusing/satrical for you to see. I did not intend this to be a personal attack at all. Well, so far two people have told me that I'm wrong and I apologize for any mis-understandings. I will, of course, respect your opinon on this issue. How about we say this one is a difference in cultures, both mundance and sca. Your right my sympathies are with Nordmark and Drachenwald, but my heart and home is in Calontir. Rusty From nordmark-request Tue Nov 15 19:18:52 1994 Return-Path: ERA.ERAAINA@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA07340 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:18:52 +0100 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00402 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:18:50 +0100 Received: from eds05.ericsson.se (eds05.ericsson.se [136.225.9.2]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.9/1.0) with ESMTP id TAA04979 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:18:49 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HJIFROKCCW9CN9D8@eds.ericsson.se>; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:19:38 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:04:48 +100 MR-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:04:48 +0100 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:04:00 +0100 From: "ERA.ERAAINA" Subject: Celemon To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-id: <"39FPq SJpJ54RsAM*"@MHS> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE UA-content-id: 39FPq SJpJ54RsAM X400-MTS-identifier: [;84409151114991/231513@EDS] Hop-count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAAINA 08-757 3505 94-11-15 19.04 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET Tack f=F6r mailet! Det har n=E5tt mig, min adress =E4r ERA.ERAAINA\MEMO.ERICSSON.SE =2E..kanske lite =F6verfl=F6digt nu men =E4nd=E5. Heloise From nordmark-request Wed Nov 16 08:51:01 1994 Return-Path: masc@sweden.hp.com Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA13412 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:51:01 +0100 Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA02125 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:50:49 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:41:00 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA12543; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:50:37 +0100 From: Marie Schroder Message-Id: <9411160750.AA12543@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: aao eller aa ae oe To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 8:50:37 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO Hej alla! Marie haer........ni som skriver direkt till mig...kan ni antingen bara skriva Ô Ì och Î som a a och o eller aa,ae och oe??? Det blir foervirrande med meddelanden som ser ut saa haer: "=?DEC-MCS?Q?Anm=4lan?=och en =?DEC-MCS?Q?fr=E5" ser i och foer sig kul ut men......vissa meddelanden blir liksom totalt olaesliga. Tyvaerr faar jag vael leva med detta elaende paa NML'en...men om ni vill skriva privat till mig saa vore det trevligt att slippa deschiffrera allt!! :):) Speciellt med meddelanden fraan Ericsson haender detta....! Lev vael och ha en haerlig dag! Marie d'Alise-Saint-Reine :wq From nordmark-request Wed Nov 16 14:34:45 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA15841 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:34:44 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA02701 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:34:43 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA04103; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:34:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:34:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199411161334.OAA04103@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: BoDum From: Status: RO H{lsningar! H{r citerades nyligen referat fr}n senaste BoD-m|tet. Bland annat hade tydligen BoDs ordf|rande (?) gjort n}gra "domslut" i olika fr}gor. Bland dessa fanns att "krontornering med f|rk{mpar strider mot Corpora". Det st{ller Nordmarks fursend|meslag i tvivel. Tidigare hade ju ingen riktigt sagt detta fr}n auktoritativt h}ll, fast m}nga hade antytt att f|rk{mpar skulle m|ta motst}nd fr}n BoD. Hur ska vi hantera detta? Det rimliga {r att vi anh}ller att Corpora {ndras. William From nordmark-request Wed Nov 16 14:44:56 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA15872 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:44:55 +0100 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02711 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:44:54 +0100 Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA28503; Wed, 16 Nov 94 14:45:51 +0100 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14121; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:44:54 +0100 From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <9411161344.AA14121@nastol.astro.lu.se> Subject: Re: BoDum To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 14:44:54 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO Corpora are not written in stone. Crown != Coronet. It's a long way to swim all the way to Sweden. Just some personal opinions. Clodwik From nordmark-request Wed Nov 16 14:55:18 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA15935 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:55:17 +0100 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02746 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:55:16 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA29435; Wed, 16 Nov 94 14:56:12 +0100 Subject: Re: BoDum To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 14:56:32 +0100 Message-Id: <941116.145632.43420@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >... ... >"krontornering med f|rk{mpar strider mot Corpora". >... ...Det st{ller Nordmarks fursend|meslag i tvivel. Tyv{rr har jag inte kvar filen, men jag har f|r mig att BoD i juni delegerade alla s}dana h{r {renden r|rande furstend|men och l{gre till kungad|mesniv}. (Har n}gon sparat informationen? Ska jag efterlysa den n}gon annanstans?) F|r |vrigt inst{mmer jag med Clodwig. /Catrin From nordmark-request Thu Nov 17 10:46:54 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA02507 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:46:54 +0100 Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07743 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:46:52 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA08917 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:45:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:45:18 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411170945.AA08917@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: BoD och Nordmarks lag Status: RO William skrev: >H{r citerades nyligen referat fr}n senaste BoD-m|tet. > >Bland annat hade tydligen BoDs ordf|rande (?) gjort >n}gra "domslut" i olika fr}gor. Bland dessa fanns att >"krontornering med f|rk{mpar strider mot Corpora". St{mmer! H{r ett utdrag ur den rapport jag f}tt: >Greetings from Hossein! > > The following is a 5-page, single-spaced summary of what >happened at the October Board meeting in Dallas. > >TEXT FOLLOWS > >(klipp) > > The Society Seneschal (Betsey Ellis) reported that: > (1) She had made three ruling interpreting the corporation's > governing documents: > (a) Kingdoms may adopt legislation requiring pay-to-fight; > (b) Fighting Royal Lists on a "champion" basis is contrary to > Corpora; > (c) If a kingdom officer cannot swear an oath on religious > grounds, that officer may not be removed from office for > failure to swear an oath. > The Board did not act to overrule these decisions of the Society > Seneschal. Som synes g{ller det "Royal Lists", det vill s{ga b}de kunga- och furstend|mes torneringar. >Det st{ller Nordmarks furstend|meslag i tvivel. Tidigare >hade ju ingen riktigt sagt detta fr}n auktoritativt >h}ll, fast m}nga hade antytt att f|rk{mpar skulle >m|ta motst}nd fr}n BoD. > >Hur ska vi hantera detta? Det rimliga {r att vi anh}ller >att Corpora {ndras. Att corpora {ndras l{r nog dr|ja, till n{sta istid eller s}.... Speciellt om {ndringen g{ller n}got som just beslutats. Det enklaste vore v{l att skicka in ett lagf|rslag som {r s} utsl{tat att inte ens BoD hittar n}got att inv{nda. Om lag[NDRINGAR inte beh|ver godk{nnas av BOD s} kan vi ju g|ra vilka {ndringar vi vill efter att vi blivit furstend|me! [r det n}gon som har en corpora till hands och kan kolla? Frithiof Sven.Noren@kemi.uu.se From nordmark-request Thu Nov 17 11:05:06 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02578 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:05:05 +0100 Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07775 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:05:03 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA08971 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:03:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:03:34 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411171003.AA08971@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Nordmarks lag (var: BoDum) Status: RO >>"krontornering med f|rk{mpar strider mot Corpora". >>... ...Det st{ller Nordmarks fursend|meslag i tvivel. > >Tyv{rr har jag inte kvar filen, men jag har f|r mig att BoD i juni >delegerade alla s}dana h{r {renden r|rande furstend|men och l{gre till >kungad|mesniv}. (Har n}gon sparat informationen? Ska jag efterlysa den >n}gon annanstans?) Njaee, de delegerarde alla {renden r|rande lokalgrupper "up to but not including baronial elevations", det vill s{ga gr{nser mellan lokalgrupperna och liknande. Tydligen {r det vanligt p} sina h}ll i USA att grupperna {ndrar sina gr{nser. >F|r |vrigt inst{mmer jag med Clodwig. > >/Catrin Clodvig skrev: >Corpora are not written in stone. >Crown != Coronet. >It's a long way to swim all the way to Sweden. > >Just some personal opinions. > >Clodwik Jo, det {r l}ngt mellan Californien och Sverige, men det {r folket i Milpitas som best{mmer om vi skall bli furstend|me eller ej. V}ra personliga }sikter i fr}gan v{ger l{tt i det h{r fallet. Frithiof, tungt suckande. From nordmark-request Thu Nov 17 11:07:34 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02591 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:07:22 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:57:21 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA20105; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:02:26 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9411171002.AA20105@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Re: BoD och Nordmarks lag To: Sven.Noren@Kemi.UU.SE (Sven Noren) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:02:25 MET Cc: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) In-Reply-To: <199411170945.AA08917@akka.kemi.uu.se>; from "Sven Noren" at Nov 17, 94 10:45 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO >> The Society Seneschal (Betsey Ellis) reported that: >> (1) She had made three ruling interpreting the corporation's >> governing documents: >> (a) Kingdoms may adopt legislation requiring pay-to-fight; >> (b) Fighting Royal Lists on a "champion" basis is contrary to >> Corpora; >> (c) If a kingdom officer cannot swear an oath on religious >> grounds, that officer may not be removed from office for >> failure to swear an oath. >> The Board did not act to overrule these decisions of the Society >> Seneschal. > >Som synes g{ller det "Royal Lists", det vill s{ga b}de kunga- och >furstend|mes torneringar. Helt riktigt...notera att det aer en _tolkning_ och att BoD godkaent tolkningen...suck..insnoeade... >Att corpora {ndras l{r nog dr|ja, till n{sta istid eller s}.... >Speciellt om {ndringen g{ller n}got som just beslutats. Korrekt.... >Det enklaste vore v{l att skicka in ett lagf|rslag som {r s} utsl{tat >att inte ens BoD hittar n}got att inv{nda. Om lag[NDRINGAR inte >beh|ver godk{nnas av BOD s} kan vi ju g|ra vilka {ndringar vi vill >efter att vi blivit furstend|me! Det enda vi behoever goera aer att plocka bort de referenser till foerkaempar som finns i Lagfoerslaget....Tippex aer utmaerkt..;) >[r det n}gon som har en corpora till hands och kan kolla? Lagaendringar behoever ej godkaennas av BoD, men av Drots och Hoegheter. OBS ! Bla annat kontrolleras att de nya lagarna _ej_ bryter mot Corpora eller (foer furstendoemet) kungarikets lagar. Ciao Morgan// ...som varit med och aendrat baade furstendoemes och kungarikes lagar...;) -- HP : M. Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Thu Nov 17 11:09:58 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02606 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:09:57 +0100 Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07787 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:09:55 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA09005 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:08:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:08:26 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411171008.AA09005@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Lag{ndringar Status: RO > Lagaendringar behoever ej godkaennas av BoD, men av Drots och >Hoegheter. OBS ! Bla annat kontrolleras att de nya lagarna _ej_ bryter >mot Corpora eller (foer furstendoemet) kungarikets lagar. Attans! F. From nordmark-request Thu Nov 17 16:27:38 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA04158 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:27:38 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA08356 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:27:36 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA07944; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:27:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:27:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199411171527.QAA07944@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: Sven.Noren@Kemi.UU.SE CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <199411170945.AA08917@akka.kemi.uu.se> (message from Sven Noren on Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:45:18 +0100) Subject: Re: BoD och Nordmarks lag From: Status: RO >Om lag[NDRINGAR inte >beh|ver godk{nnas av BOD s} kan vi ju g|ra vilka {ndringar vi vill >efter att vi blivit furstend|me! Men Corpora {r ju Corpora lixom. Att ljuga/sl{ta ut sig nu betyder bara att vi }ker p} BoDs vrede senare. [rligt talat {r jag TR\TT p} den amerikanska delen av SCA. Jag tycker att vi lika g{rna kan utesluta dem ur v}r f|rening. William From nordmark-request Fri Nov 18 21:06:39 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from minerva.ludd.luth.se (minerva.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.25]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA12911 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:06:38 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by minerva.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA04995 for nordmark@ludd; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:06:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199411182006.VAA04995@minerva.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Hur f}r vi kl{ oss??? To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:06:36 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 988 Status: RO Salve allihopsens... P} Rialto har det varit debatter och diskussioner om hur man egentligen f}r kl{ och smycka sig, s} kallade sumptuary laws. Debatten har fr{mst handlat om Kronor av olika slag (crowns, coronets och circlets) samt om b{lten och kedjor. I vissa delar av den k{nda v{rlden verkar det brukligt f|r v{pnare att ha kedjor och sporrar i silver. Nu undrar jag om det i Drachenwald finns lokala regler f|r vilka typer av smycken, kl{desplagg och andra accessoarer en person f}r b{ra oavsett rang och s}? Kan n}gon svara p} detta??? Ulf, undrande....... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Fri Nov 18 22:47:21 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA13370; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:47:20 +0100 Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA13433; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:47:18 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA14497; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:47:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:47:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199411182147.WAA14497@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: bubba@ludd.luth.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <199411182006.VAA04995@minerva.ludd.luth.se> (bubba@ludd.luth.se) Subject: Re: Hur f}r vi kl{ oss??? From: Status: RO Det finns ytterst f} (om n}gra) f|rbud mot att kl{ sig p} speciellt s{tt, d{remot finns det en MASSA traditioner som folk {r alldeles hysteriska om. I alla fall i USA. Vitt b{lte -- endast riddare R|tt b{lte -- endast v{pnare Gr|nt b{lte -- l{rlingar till Laurels Sporrar -- riddare, ev. v{pnare Kronor -- baroner, vicomter, grevar, hertigar, kungar, furstar kedja -- riddare osv. Vissa traditioner {r lokala. Straffet f|r att bryta mot dem {r att man blir betraktad som en bedragare som l}tsas vara n}got man inte {r. William From nordmark-request Mon Nov 21 10:34:26 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA14942 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:34:26 +0100 Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19279 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:34:24 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA00546 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:32:49 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:32:49 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199411210932.AA00546@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Adresser Status: RO Hej! Aer det naagon daerute som har adresser till naagra SCA-databaser eller BBSer eller vad det nu heter? Frithiof. From nordmark-request Mon Nov 21 11:28:57 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA15277 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:28:56 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA03522 for nordmark; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:28:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199411211028.LAA03522@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Adresser To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:28:48 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199411210932.AA00546@akka.kemi.uu.se> from "Sven Noren" at Nov 21, 94 10:32:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1864 Status: RO > > Hej! > Aer det naagon daerute som har adresser till naagra SCA-databaser > eller BBSer eller vad det nu heter? > Frithiof. > Kalla det inte BBSer, BBSer {r n}tt hemskt man modemar till. h{r kommer n}gra jag kommer ih{g s} h{r direkt... FTP : ftp.luth.se /pub/misc/frostheim Frostheims/Nordmarks eget arkiv, har ni n}tt som borde ligga tillg{ngligt f|r alla p} n{tet posta det till mig. Mycket trevliga SCA-bilder. bransle.ucs.mun.ca /pub/sca ftp.nau.edu /sca vela.acs.oakland.edu /pub/heralds gs121.sp.cs.cmu.edu /usr/kvs/pub ftp.stolaf.edu /pub/sca WWW : http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu:80/~rodmur/sca/sca.html/ Mycket bra, s|kningarna i the Armorial {r mycket anv{ndbara. http://www.missouri.edu:80/~ccjoe/sca/ Calontirs www-server. http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/org/Medieval/www/sca-home.html http://gozer.idbsu.edu/students/mmiller/sca.html http://www.inmet.com/~justin/sca.html http://blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu/bin/f/www/sca.html Gopher : heort.bsuvc.bsu.edu NEWS : rec.org.sca Och en hel h|g som jag s{kert gl|mt/inte k{nner till... MHV Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* | *) (* Lord Styrbj|rn Halte | L. J|rgen /hman *) (* Canton of Frostheim | Ludd Computer Club *) (* Barony of Nordmark | University of Lule} *) (* Kingdom of Drachenwald | E-mail: *) (* | xordph@ludd.luth.se *) (* Vert, per pale a | Snail-mail: *) (* crescent inverted | K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* and a Thor's | 97754 Lule} *) (* hammer or. | Sweden *) (* | Telephone: *) (* This divide dream and reality -----> | +46-920 11637 *) (* | *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Tue Nov 22 04:30:30 1994 Return-Path: sirjon@sns.com Received: from jack.sns.com (jack.sns.com [199.35.183.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA01742 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:30:02 +0100 Received: by jack.sns.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0r9lvY-000Q2cC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:29 PST To: archery@mav.com, north@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca Cc: calontir@unl.edu.nordmark@ludd.luth.se.northshield@stolaf.edu Subject: IKAC standings 11/20 From: John, R., Edgerton Comments: Validated 10-30-1993 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:26:34 PST Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA 94539-6669 Status: RO Permission is granted to crosspost or to publish in any SCA newsletter. Please pass this on to any interested archers. LONG POST follows *************************************** INTERKINGDOM ARCHERY COMPETITIONS The competitions were extended for one month, the final standings will follow next month. The current standings, in the final month of the competition, in the IKAC Open division as of Nov. 20, are: 1) EAST- 304.6. Dwane Shinnock- 308, Li Kung Lo- 303, Urho of the Pines- 303. 2) MIDDLE- 291.6. Ld. Geraint Graeme de Mentieth- 307, Ld. Arinwald Rotstein- 302, Ian Gourdon of Glen Awe- 266. 3) ANTIR- 273. Andrus Truemark- 334, Julian Edward Farnsworth- 267, Arianne of Falconmoors- 218. 4) ATLANTIA- 247.3. Reynard of Lochmere- 266, Galen Woodwalker- 243, Jonathan Der Adler- 233. 5) WEST- 242 . Joseph de la Tour- 264, Abner de Plunket- 239, Martin Whistler- 223. 6) CAID-241.6. Paganus Grimlove- 272, Rock of Wintermist-236, Lady Karhryn of Wolfglen- 217. 7) OUTLANDS- 222. Tracker of Oak Hollow- 236, Yanthlos the Quiet- 218, Peregrine Elric of Courtenay- 212. 8) ATENVELT- 218.3. Salvatore de Napoli- 239, Ld. Blackarow- 214, Jean Paul DuPonte- 202. 9) ANSTEORRA- 195.3. Don Sebastian Frobishire- 223, Wayne of the Heights- 183, Sear McTyre- 180. 10) CALONTIR- 193.3. Lynette Davejean- 210, Ormar Traherne- 192, Shane Padraig OÕBrellachain- 178. 11) TRIMARIS- 159. Michael of Alwington- 174, Hon. Ld. Duncan Angus- 163, Donnal-140. 12) MERIDIES- 149.6. Eckhart von Eschenbach- 187, Fergus OÕSiadhail- 165, Eochar DÕAlain- 97. No scores were received from Drachenwald. In the Traditional Longbow division the standings are: 1) EAST- 259.3. Kendrick of the Saxonshore- 280, Emrys- 250, Kikuchi Tsuri Naga-248. Kendrick of the Saxonshore- 280. 2) ANTIR- 257.3. Andras Truemark- 267, Julian Edward Farnsworth- 261, Lawrence the Humble-244. 3) MIDDLE- 254.6. Ld. Arinwald Rotstein- 292, Ld. Geraint Graeme de Mentieth- 268, Ld. Duncan MacLeod- 204. 4) CAID- 214. Rock of Wintermist- 245, Ld Robert of Watford- 204, Thomas Blackkeep- 193. 5) WEST- 177.3. Dietrick von dem Weinbergin- 203, Kendrick of Drakestone- 167, Etienne Michel du Calais- 162. 6) MERIDIES- 163.6. Michael of Tweedale-173, Echart von Excenbach- 171, Gwalchnai Blackhawk- 147. 7) ANSTEORRA-150*. Master Leon Donne- 184, Don Sebastian Frobshire- 165, Ld. Talon of Blackoak- 101. 8) OUTLANDS- 137.6. Enrique- 153, Rhys Afalwin- 140, Peregrine- 120. 9) ATLANTIA-134. Della Cohen- 164, Aelfgar Greyseas- 123, Publius Genericus Scotius- 115. 10) CALONTIR- 124. Leif of Crescent Moon- 200, Hugh Prescott-123, Margrethe of Helsinore- 49.11) TRIMARIS- 119.6. Ld. Kenneth Rorin Hawkswood- 127, Michael of Alwington- 119, Brenna Jeraber- 113. (* A score from an other kingdom had been counted for Ansteorra by error before.) In the Crossbow division the standings are: 1) EAST- 313.3. Ailean Mac an Danoch- 329, Dwane Shinnock- 327, Kai MacLain- 284. 2) MIDDLE- 276. Ld. Fritz Bare- 300, Ld. Richard dubh MacCrimmon- 266, Cionaod- 262. 3) WEST-233.6. Martin Whistler- 246, Hans von Wolfholz- 239, Francis Goodfellow- 216. 4) ANTIR-230.6. Jorge- 241, Eric Dragonslaire- 226, Bjorn Kolbjornsson- 225. 5) CAID- 218. Benjamin Bernardson- 235, Njall Olaf Hagerson-222, Phillippe Lyon de Marseilles- 197. 6) ATENVELT- 185.6. Hazzo ben Boyer- 195, Ld. Owen ?- 183, Ld. Damion ?-179. 7) ANSTEORRA- 160.3. James ap Benyl- 179, Roger Bagley- 152, Stefan von Drachenfels- 150. 8) OUTLANDS- 143. Mavelick- 176, Thorfinn Greybeard- 150, Master Daffyd of Emmett- 103. 90 ATLANTIA-126.3 Aelfgar-152, Viscount Karl Helweg- 132, Peter Valmont-95. 10) TRIMARIS- 101.6. Adan Calentaur- 131, Edward Colbert- 109, Geoffrey Cordwainer- 65. In the Interkingdom Combat Archery Competition the scores are: 1) MIDDLE- 266.6. Ld. Arinwald Rotstein- 289, Ld. Grant Graeme di Mentieth-289, Duncan MacLeod ofDvirinish- 250. 2) MERIDIES- 241.3. Ld. Robert do Pergraine- 275, Ld.Kendorf LÕOterel- 239, Lady Yasmin Al Yashin- 210. 3) WEST- 220. Joseph de la Tour- 244, Martin Whistler- 215, Diethich von dem Weinbergin- 201. 4) ANTIR- 184.3. Ld. Julian Edward Farnsworth- 189, Andras Truemark- 184, Erik McLost- 180. 5) ANSTEORRA- 173.3. Padraic of Kilkenny- 184, Talon of Blackoak- 177, Theodric Afhaims- 159. 6) ATLANTIA- 74.3. Staphan OÕReilly- 81, Ld. Robert the Forgotten- 75, Richard Markman- 67. 7) ATENVELT- 27.6. Ld. Hazzo Binaimo Bowyer- 33, Ld. Chris- 31, Ld. Sean- 19. In the IKCAC Crossbow division the top three archers are: Roger Bagley (Ansteorra)- 171, Stefan von Drachenfels (Ansteorra)- 145, Robert Breithewaite (Ansteorra)- 52. No other combat crossbow scores have been received. New Period division: Copies of next years Period division draft rules are available. This will replace the curent Traditional Longbow division. Send a 29 cent S.A.S.E. (legal size) for a copy. I want input on these draft rules, please let me know your opinions. For copies of the IKAC or IKCAC rules contact your kingdom archery officer. Or send a S.A.S.E.(legal size) with 29 cents postage for the IKAC rules or 54 cents for both, to the Keeper of the IKAC and IKCAC: Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf. c/o John R. Edgerton, 7662 Wells Ave, Newark, CA, 94560-3530. (510) 791-9070. Email: Internet, sirjon@sns.com ************************ To the Chronicler: Please print at least the full scores for your kingdom and the place and totals for all the other kingdoms. Also please print the last two paragraphs in full as well. Thank you Jon ---- sirjon@sns.com (John, R., Edgerton) Systems'n'Software (510)623-8656 FAX (510)623-8652 DATA From nordmark-request Tue Nov 22 16:51:25 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA27271 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:51:01 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:50:05 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA25228; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:49:40 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9411221549.AA25228@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Re: BoD och Nordmarks lag To: vader@emil.csd.uu.se Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:49:40 MET Cc: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) In-Reply-To: <199411171527.QAA07944@groucho.csd.uu.se>; from "vader@emil.csd.uu.se" at Nov 17, 94 4:27 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO >Men Corpora {r ju Corpora lixom. Att ljuga/sl{ta ut sig nu betyder >bara att vi }ker p} BoDs vrede senare. Helt riktigt....suck.. >[rligt talat {r jag TR\TT p} den amerikanska delen av SCA. Jag tycker >att vi lika g{rna kan utesluta dem ur v}r f|rening. De aer _inte_ medlemmar i vaar foerening..;) Vi aer med i deras, det aer daerfoer reglerna gaeller oss ocksaa...;) Ciao M// Earl of Ravensmarch, Viscount of Raven's Crag, etc.....;) ;) ;) -- HP : M. Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Tue Nov 22 17:19:10 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA27674 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:19:10 +0100 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23664 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:19:08 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA09497; Tue, 22 Nov 94 17:20:12 +0100 Subject: Re: BoD och Nordmarks lag To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 17:20:33 +0100 Message-Id: <941122.172033.47272@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >>Men Corpora {r ju Corpora lixom. Att ljuga/sl{ta ut sig nu betyder >>bara att vi }ker p} BoDs vrede senare. > > Helt riktigt....suck.. Kanske, kanske inte. BoD har ju klantat sig till den grad att en hel del amerikaner ocks} {r heligt f|rbannade p} dem och saker och ting kan h{nda. BoD sitter inte fastsvetsade d{r de sitter, de {r inte en enda individ med en enda }sikt, och Corpora {r inte hugget i sten - bara n{stan!!! >>[rligt talat {r jag TR\TT p} den amerikanska delen av SCA. Jag tycker >>att vi lika g{rna kan utesluta dem ur v}r f|rening. > > De aer _inte_ medlemmar i vaar foerening..;) Vi aer med i deras, >det aer daerfoer reglerna gaeller oss ocksaa...;) Nyckelfrasen h{r {r _vi {r med_. Vi {r ocks} medlemmar och har r{tt att }tmistone f|rs|ka p}verka. K{re l{sare, n{r skrev _du_ ett brev till BoD senast? Skyll inte p} spr}ksv}righeter: hj{lp med engelskan, liksom med formerna och relevanta adresser, finns att f}. Det kanske inte tj{nar n}got till - men att sitta h{rhemma och gn{lla hj{lper {nnu mindre. H}ller vi tyst upp}t, s} f}r ju BoD f|r sig att vi {r n|jda! /Catrin From nordmark-request Tue Nov 22 17:31:39 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA27964 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:31:37 +0100 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23693 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:31:36 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA10547; Tue, 22 Nov 94 17:32:37 +0100 Subject: Re: BoD och Nordmarks lag To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 17:33:01 +0100 Message-Id: <941122.173301.47292@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO F|rresten, Drachenwalds nya ombudsman i BoD heter Eilis O'Boirne (Lee Forgue), hon n}s via e-mail p} eilis@haas.berkeley.edu och hon tycks vara villig att ta till sig folks }sikter (det i sig {r en revolution inom BoD). /Catrin From nordmark-request Wed Nov 23 00:16:17 1994 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (clusternode3 [127.0.0.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA03140 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:16:15 +0100 Received: from gateway.informix.com (gateway.informix.com [192.216.240.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA24587 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:16:13 +0100 Received: from informix.com (infmx.informix.com) by gateway.informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14136; Tue, 22 Nov 94 15:16:10 PST Received: from atlas (atlas.informix.com) by informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20653; Tue, 22 Nov 94 15:16:03 PST Received: by atlas (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA14234; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:14:42 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:14:42 -0600 From: Russell Cole Posted-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:14:42 -0600 Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:14:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9411222314.AA14234@atlas> Subject: Re: Now We Are Seven! (fwd) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Status: RO I saw this on the Calontir list, thought you might be interested in seeing it. HEY!!!! Didn't one of my other posts start like that? :) :) :) Rusty, who is tempting fate once again :) ;) :> ;> {:)(he's wearing a hat) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey guys! Ran across this on another list (with permission to repost) and thought you might like to know! > The Board of Directors of the SCA has chosen as its seventh member > Viscount Edward Zifran of Gendy (EF Morrill), and he has accepted the > appointment. > > --- eilis o'boirne (Lee Forgue, Director, SCA Inc.) Nathan nathan@cis.ksu.edu * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * "Nobody ever escaped punishment for unrighteous treatment of a cook." -- Menander's "Dyskelos" (ca. 300 BC) From nordmark-request Wed Nov 23 00:20:20 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA03175 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:20:19 +0100 Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA05093; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:18:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:18:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199411222318.AAA05093@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: mabr@sweden.hp.com CC: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <9411221549.AA25228@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> (message from Morgan Broman on Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:49:40 MET) Subject: Re: BoD och Nordmarks lag From: Status: RO >De aer _inte_ medlemmar i vaar foerening..;) Vi aer med i deras, >det aer daerfoer reglerna gaeller oss ocksaa...;) Min kaere Morgan, hur kan du ha faatt allting saa komplett om bakfoten? I egenskap av svenskar, ljusets riddarvakt, aerans och hjaeltarnas folk (och daermed oeverlaegsna alla dessa utlaendska skymningsvarelser) aer det givetvis vi som bestaemmer. Dumma regler aer till foer... att tjaena som foerevaendning foer machubernahme! :-) Wilhelm von Corbie From nordmark-request Thu Nov 24 10:57:54 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14758 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:57:50 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 09:56:46 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA10042; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:57:29 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9411240957.AA10042@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: [ADMIN] New e-mail adress ! To: sca@mc.lcs.mit.edu (SCA Rialto), nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:57:28 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO As many of you may know I will be leaving Hewlett-Packard 1st December 1994. My new company has Internet and the new e-mail adress will be : mabr@norell.se Mail sent to my old adress will be forwarded for some time by friends here at HP. I do not know about the newsgroups yet, I might loose access to Rialto, but that is still an open question. Ciao Morgan// .....see you on a computer near you real soon..;) -- HP : M. Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Tue Nov 29 12:02:04 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13648 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:02:01 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:00:52 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA25394; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:01:53 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9411291101.AA25394@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Ny e-mail adress !!! To: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:01:52 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO F.o.m 94-12-01 har undertecknad ny e-mail adress (se nedan) Ciao M// ...min nuvarande fungerar si saa daer....suck... -- Norell : M. Broman (94/12/01 - ) mabr@norell.se HP : M. Broman (- 94/11/30 ) mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. _or_ Norell Invest AB.