From xordph@ludd.luth.se Sun Oct 16 21:29:48 1994 Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA05570 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:29:47 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA00468 for nmlark; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:29:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199410162029.VAA00468@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: test To: nmlark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Arkiv) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:29:45 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 20 Status: RO dfgnjicvbjkn fghfgh From nordmark-request Sun Oct 16 21:44:44 1994 Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA05634 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:44:43 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA00706 for nordmark; Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:44:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199410162044.VAA00706@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Medlemmslista f|r NML. To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:44:40 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1192 Status: RO Hej ! Jag h}ller p} att updateta min lista |ver vilka som {r med p} NML. Jag skulle bli v{ldigt glad om ni kunde ta och svara p} f|ljande fr}gor: Mundant namn : SCA namn : E-mail adress : Posta svaret till mig, d.v.s. till xordph@ludd.luth.se och inte till nordmark@ludd.luth.se. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Mon Oct 17 12:36:53 1994 Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA11563 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:36:52 +0100 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA06339 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:36:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:36:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199410171136.AA06339@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Dragon asleep From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Idag den 17 oktober fick jag oktobernumret av Dragon's Tale. Detta nummer inneh}ller annonser f|r 11 evenemang. Av dessa hade 6 redan {gt rum... Vad {r det f|r mening med en tidning som l}ter oss veta vad vi har missat? Dragon's Tale har en n{rmast otrolig pressl{ggningstid: manusstopp f|r januarinumret {r den 25 november... [nd} lyckas man inte f} ut informationen i tid. Gn{ll & gn|l. William From nordmark-request Mon Oct 17 13:00:11 1994 Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA11659 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:00:09 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA13983 for nordmark; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:00:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199410171200.NAA13983@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Dragon asleep To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:00:06 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199410171136.AA06339@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "vader@meryl.csd.uu.se" at Oct 17, 94 12:36:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1502 Status: RO > > Idag den 17 oktober fick jag oktobernumret av Dragon's Tale. > Detta nummer inneh}ller annonser f|r 11 evenemang. Av dessa > hade 6 redan {gt rum... > > Vad {r det f|r mening med en tidning som l}ter oss veta vad > vi har missat? > > Dragon's Tale har en n{rmast otrolig pressl{ggningstid: > manusstopp f|r januarinumret {r den 25 november... [nd} > lyckas man inte f} ut informationen i tid. > > Gn{ll & gn|l. > > William > Det {r ju v{rre {n Sparren. I nummer 106 var det ju bara ett som hade varit, tv} som hade sista anm{lningsdag samma dag som tidningen kom i posten. S}nt {r obra. /Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Mon Oct 17 13:23:00 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA12054 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:22:59 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA22475; Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:23:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Dragon asleep To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 13:23:29 +0100 Message-Id: <941017.132329.23645@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Idag den 17 oktober fick jag oktobernumret av Dragon's Tale. >Detta nummer inneh}ller annonser f|r 11 evenemang. Av dessa >hade 6 redan {gt rum... Trevligt att }tminstone f} veta att DT {r p} v{g. Jag hade n{stan b|rjat undra om n}gon snott v}ra prenumerationspengar och stuckit till Acapulco :). >Vad {r det f|r mening med en tidning som l}ter oss veta vad >vi har missat? Ingen 10 000-kronorsfr}ga, men s{kert s}d{r en 25-dollarsfr}ga. >Dragon's Tale har en n{rmast otrolig pressl{ggningstid: >manusstopp f|r januarinumret {r den 25 november... [nd} >lyckas man inte f} ut informationen i tid. Visst, det kan ramla tegelstenar i huvet p} folk, datorer kraschar, barn f}r kikhosta, man byter jobb, flyttar, blir opererad mm mm mm, s}nt kan h{nda pl|tsligt och ta tid, men i s} fall kan man stoppa en liten ruta i tidningen d{r det st}r "f|rl}t, det funkade visst inte den h{r g}ngen" eller n}got liknande. Det g|r ingen nytta betr{ffande missade evenemang, men l{sarkretsen k{nner sig }tminstone inte behandlade som idioter. Vilket vi ju g|r som det {r nu. Morrrr... /Catrin From nordmark-request Mon Oct 17 13:37:27 1994 Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA12682 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:37:22 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:28:32 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA13999; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:37:15 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9410171237.AA13999@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Dragon asleep (fwd) To: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:37:14 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO > >Idag den 17 oktober fick jag oktobernumret av Dragon's Tale. >Detta nummer inneh}ller annonser f|r 11 evenemang. Av dessa >hade 6 redan {gt rum... Undertecknad undrar naer den var ivaegsaend ? Jag fick min DT foer ett bra tag sedan och vaentar paa naesta...Jag har aldrig haft naagra stoerrre problem med de tidningar jag prenumerat paa, medans andra konsekvent verkar ha det...???!!! >Vad {r det f|r mening med en tidning som l}ter oss veta vad >vi har missat? Ok......7.253-kronors fraaga daa..;) ! >Dragon's Tale har en n{rmast otrolig pressl{ggningstid: >manusstopp f|r januarinumret {r den 25 november... [nd} >lyckas man inte f} ut informationen i tid. Inte bra ! >William Ciao Morgan// ......glad att han inte aer redaktoer...;) ! -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Mon Oct 17 14:02:03 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12799 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:02:01 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA24371; Mon, 17 Oct 94 14:02:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Dragon asleep (fwd) To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Mon, 17 Oct 94 14:02:32 +0100 Message-Id: <941017.140232.23696@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >>... ... oktobernumret av Dragon's Tale. > > Undertecknad undrar naer den var ivaegsaend ? Jag fick min >DT foer ett bra tag sedan och vaentar paa naesta... Teori nr.2: varken datorkrascher, flytt eller sjuka barn; snarare att en slumpmaessigt utvald bunt av DT aaterigen raakat hamna i den amerikanska militaerposten. Inte bra det heller. >Jag har aldrig >haft naagra stoerrre problem med de tidningar jag prenumerat paa, >medans andra konsekvent verkar ha det...???!!! Ta i trae. Jag har aldrig haft problem med att foernya mitt SCA-medlemskap, t o m med raett faerg paa kortet, medan andra (aeven i USA) jaemt raakar ut foer trassel...??? Man faar vael njuta saa laenge problemfriheten varar. >Ciao >Morgan// >......glad att han inte aer redaktoer...;) ! Instaemmer!!! /Catrin From nordmark-request Mon Oct 17 14:33:07 1994 Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA12967 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:32:46 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:23:54 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA14253; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:32:38 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9410171332.AA14253@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Kroening i Holmrike !!! To: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 14:32:37 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO Det haer aer en kopia av annonsen till Sparren infoer kungakroeningen i Holmrike. Den aer skriven i Write (Windows/PC) med alla svenska specialtecken som en del haer inte tycker att vi skall skriva om...;) Vaelkommna Morgan// ....sambandscentralen...! ================================================================================ Drachenwald Kröning 6-8 Januari 1995 Den 6 - 8 januari A.S. XXIX inbjuder vi i Holmrike samtliga i Kungadömet Drachenwald och övriga kända världen att deltaga i kröningen av vårt nästa kungapar. Lokalen öppnar: kl 16.00 6 januari Lokalen stänger: kl 16.00 den 8 januari Adress: Midgård Konferens Center, Sleipnervägen 115, Haninge., vilket ligger c:a 20 km från Stockholm centrum. Inga djur är tillåtna i och runt lokalerna. Förtäring av alkoholhaltiga drycker är tillåtna, eventuellt kommer en bar att hållas öppen med minimi ålder 18 år för servering (var beredd att visa legitimation). Lokalen är ej tillgänglig för allmänheten. En fem rätters middag bestående av soppa, paj, huvudrätt, paté och efterrätt kommer att serveras. Tag med egen dryck. Ni som är vegetarianer, allergiker eller dyl. ange det i er skriftliga anmälan till autokraten. Avgifter: före 15 december efter 15 dec. grundavg. SCA medl. 80 kr 100 kr grundavg. icke-SCA medl. 105kr 125 kr frukost lörd. och sönd 15 kr/frukost och person lunch lördag 20 kr bankett lördag onboard 80 kr, offboard 20 kr barn under 10 halva priset barn under 3 gratis Anmälan görs genom att betala till SKA Holmrike posgiro 424 036-2, och att skicka en skriftlig anmälan till autokraten, e-mail går också bra (e-mail adress "anga@seb.se"), senast den 15 december. Vid betalning efter den 15 december lägg på 20 kr på grundavgiften. Kom ihåg att ta med SCA medlemskort att visa upp (vid betalning av den lägre grundavgiften). Hennes Kungliga Höghet önskar ha en Konst & Vetenskap utställning under lördagen, så ta chansen och ta med era hantverk och visa upp dem för alla närvarande. Bord för utställningen kommer att finnas på en central plats i lokalen. Övernattning sker i lokalen, ta med egna sovgrejor. Önskas andra övernattnings möjligheter så finns Hotel Najaden inom promenadavstånd från lokalen. (Hotel Najaden, Rudsjöterrassen 3, 136 40 Haninge, tel. 08-745 74 00, fax 08-745 49 06. Reservation gör på egen hand.) Lördag 7 januari Söndag 8 januari 8.00 - 10.00 frukost 8.00 - 10.00 frukost 10.00 - 12.00 Hov & Kröning 10.00 - 10.30 rustnings inspektion 12.00 - 13.00 Lunch 10.30 - 14.00 Drottningens förkämpe 13.00 - 14.00 Hov - nya kungaparet 14.00 - 15.00 fäkttornering 14 - 17 TRM Sit in State/pär möten 16.00 lokalen stänger 18.00 - 20.00 Bankett 20 - dans & gamman Ni som ämnar deltaga i Drottningens förkämpe tornering och fäkttorneringen (anmälan sker på plats) ta med gymnastikskor med ljus sula då torneringarna ev äger rum inomhus. Autokrat: Countess Alienor of Farryngdon (Anette Gäredal, Address: Elsbyvägen 54, 162 24 Vällingby, Sweden, OBS: autokraten har ny adress fr.o.m 18/12, tel. 08- 704 86 89, E-mail: anga@seb.se) Festokrater är: Styrbjörn (Lauri Jansson) och Thorbenkt (Bengt Malmholt). Körinstruktioner: Med bil: Söderifrån: E4/E20 mot Stockholm. Efter Södertälje sväng av vid avfarten mot Fittja, Huddinge. Kör mot Huddinge, väg 259. Följ väg 259 mot Handen, Jordbro. Vid Jordbro ta väg 73 mot Stockholm. Sväng vänster vid 2:a rödljuset, ta därefter 3:e vägen till höger vid skylt Midgård, Vikingaskolan (du är då på Sleipnervägen). Sväng direkt till höger igen, vid skylt Midgård, Vikingaskolan. Rakt fram är nu en Sibylla kiosk, lokalen ligger i byggnaden precis bakom. Norrifrån: E4/E20 till Stockholm, fortsätt söderut på Essingeleden mot Södertälje, sväng av mot Årsta, Älvsjö och Nynäshamn, följ skyltar mot Nynäshamn - väg 73, följ väg 73 mot Nynäshamn och sväng av mot Haninge C - väg 260. Följ skyltarna mot Haninge Centrum, kör förbi själva centrum (centrum på vänster sida). Sväng första vänster vid skylt Midgård, Vikingaskolan. Sväng direkt till höger igen vid skylt Midgård, Vikingaskolan. Rakt fram är nu en Sibylla kiosk, lokalen ligger i byggnaden precis bakom. Med tåg: ta tåget till Stockholm Central, följ instruktionerna för Lokal kommunikation. Lokal kommunikation: Ta pendeltåget från Stockholm central mot Västerhaninge, kliv av vid Haninge C. Gå i tågets riktning mot Televerket Radio-huset. Efter Televerket Radio-huset korsa Nynäsvägen och fortsätt in på Sleipnervägen, ta första vägen till höger på Sleipnervägen, titta efter skyltar till Midgård Konferenscenter. Bakom Sibylla kiosken ligger lokalen. ================================================================================ -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Mon Oct 17 23:36:43 1994 Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA16804 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:36:42 +0100 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA15060 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:34:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:34:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199410172234.AA15060@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: mabr@sweden.hp.com Cc: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: Mail Delivery Subsystem's message of Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:56:42 +0100 <199410171258.AA07618@meryl.csd.uu.se> Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Morgan skrev: >Undertecknad undrar naer den var ivaegsaend ? Postsaempeln saeger 12 oktober. William From nordmark-request Tue Oct 18 09:47:10 1994 Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00950 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:47:09 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA29785 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:47:07 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA29650 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:47:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 09:47:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199410180847.AA29650@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: Grand Council Board-Approved List X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO det h{r s}g ut att vara av intresse. >Greetings from Caroline! There seems to be some confusion over who has >been appointed to the Grand Council. Below is the OFFICIAL LIST that >the Board appointed on Saturday. This list SUPERCEDES any list previously >posted anywhere. I am responsible for any typos or other problems. Please >contact me if there are any questions. > >Most of these members were appointed by their kingdom to get the Council >going. Each kingdom has 1 appointee. Lochac also has 1 appointee. Some >kingdoms have yet to announce their appointment. > >The Grand Council is looking for diversity. The gentles who may have been >listed as being members of the GC and are not below are NOT currently >members. After we figure out what skills and experiences are still needed >some of those gentles may be appointed. > >WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR MEMBERS!!! Please send me your SCA and modern >resumes, plus any other relevant information, if you are interested. > >The Grand Council Members as of 15 OCTOBER 1994 >(in no particular order) > >1.Duke Olaf Askoldssonn (Michael Curtis) >2.Lady Eichling von Amrun (Janet Chennault) >3.Sir Kyle of Kincora (Rolland K. Smith) >4.Baron Corwyn da Costa (Martin Costa) >5.Eques Titus Claudius Severus (Tod Huckaby) >6.Master John of Sternfeld (John Elmore) >7.Baron Serwyl ap Morgan (Chuck Hack) >8.Baroness Isabeau of the Wylde Woode (Angie Eves-Welsh) >9.Sir Galen Kirkenbauer (no modern name available, from Ansteorra) >10.Her Majesty Sarah (Karen Penn) >11.Mistress Randal ___ (Loren Hart) >12.Lady Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire (Carol L. Smith) >13.Mistress Aelflaed of Duckford (Sandra Dodd) >14.Master Gareth (Roy Gathercoal) >15.Duke Cariadoc of the Bow (David Friedman) >16.Master Jusin du Coeur (Mark Waks) >17."Bucky" Bearsbane (Eric Cobuck Wagner) >18. 1 gentle approved at the meeting who is still deciding if he/she >wants to participate. If this gentle agrees, his/her name will be posted. > >I hope this clears up any confusion. > >I remain, ever in Service, >Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire >Grand Council Coordinator >clsmit@ccmail.monsanto.com > > > > From nordmark-request Tue Oct 18 11:06:16 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA01215 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 1994 11:06:14 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP(5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA18742; Tue, 18 Oct 94 10:33:02 +0100 Subject: Mera om Grand Council To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 10:33:12 +0100 Message-Id: <941018.103312.24372@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >>Greetings from Caroline! There seems to be some confusion over who has >>been appointed to the Grand Council. Allts}, ifall n}gon inte har h|rt/l{st det: Grand Council ska vara ett r}dgivande organ till SCA:s BoD och har i uppdrag att se |ver SCA:s organisation. Medlemmarna _v{ljs_ inte, de _tills{tts_, dvs handplockas f|r godk{nnande av Bod. Ingen har talat om efter vilka principer urvalet sker, utom att man str{var efter bredd och variation i medlemmarnas bakgrund och erfarenhet. OBS att medlemmarna ska vara "at large", dvs inte bara representera sitt kungad|me; en del kandidater, men inte alla, utses av kungad|mena. >>WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR MEMBERS!!! Please send me your SCA and modern >>resumes, plus any other relevant information, if you are interested. Det h{r {r VIKTIGT. Ingen av de hittills utsedda ledam|terna {r europ`; n}gra s}dana borde finnas med. Sj{lv tycker jag att en svensk medlem skulle ha mycket att tillf|ra: i Sverige har vi en t{mligen enast}ende tradition och erfarenhet av demokratiskt styrda ideella f|reningar. Om n}gon h{rifr}n s|ker, s} {r det inte sagt att hon/han kommer med, men d} vet man }tminstone att man aktivt har blivit bortsorterad. Det h}ller inte att gn{lla f|r att ingen lyssnar om man |verhuvudtaget inte har |ppnat k{ften. Vi f}r inte behandla GC som bara ett nytt f}nigt amerikanskt p}fund som inte ber|r oss f|rr{n det _bevisats_ att s} {r fallet. L{ngre ner kommer mera information om GC:s uppdrag. Kan du t{nka dig att {gna en del tid och energi }t s}dant h{r under de n{rmaste tv} }ren, s} skicka din meritf|rteckning till: >>Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire >>Grand Council Coordinator >>clsmit@ccmail.monsanto.com Sprid det h{r till folk som inte har tillg}ng till Prath|gen! Jag l{mnar fler upplysningar s} gott jag kan; annars skriv/ring/maila direkt till Lady Caroline. - Det s{gs att man varken beh|ver vara jurist, riddare eller "tv}siffrig" SCA-medlem f|r att komma ifr}ga f|r GC! F|rs|ka duger! /Catrin *** *** Greetings from Lady Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire, Grand Council Coordinator! At the Board meeting on 15 October 1994, the Board appointed me Chair (or Coordinator) of the Grand Council. They also appointed a number of people to the Council, whose names are a subset of what Aelflaed had posted earlier. (I will discuss the procedure for choosing the rest of the Council, and the current Council membership, in another note.) This posting is to request your opinions on the document below. It is a DRAFT Charter for the Grand Council, to describe its reason for being and how it will operate. Your feedback is requested to strengthen this document, preferably by 5 NOVEMBER 1994. Some background: This document was drafted primarily by me, with input from a number of gentles from around the Known World. More input is needed to make this document truly define what the GC should do and how it is organized. The Board was given a copy of this document (with pretty fonts) at the Board meeting today, and they will also be commenting on it. Attendees of this meeting also received copies. What you should do: Read the document. Think about if it says what you thought the GC is supposed to be and do. Print it out and take it to your next meeting, event, or post revel. Talk about it with your friends and enemies. Send me your comments. Of course, I know that comments will be posted throughout the Known World, and this is to be encouraged. I just may not be able to read all of them, so if there's anything you really want me to see, send them to me directly. If you want to apply to the Grand Council, and you haven't already, please send ME your resume and any other information. My address is at the bottom of this note. I thank you for your time and consideration in this matter. Caroline clsmit@ccmail.monsanto.com ============================================================= DRAFT Grand Council Statement of Organization and Purpose 14 October 1994 PURPOSE To examine the Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.'s corporate and organizational structure, incorporating discussions from throughout the Society, and make recommendations for changes necessary to carry out the Society's mission given a global organization. This Grand Council is empowered by the Board of Directors to independently conduct this examination and make the most appropriate recommendations. Final recommendations on the initial projects will be made no later than the Fall 1996 meeting of the Board of Directors. SCOPE Broadly, the GC scope is to examine all facets of the SCA, Inc., from the Bylaws to waivers to the level of centralization. Narrowing this focus enables the GC to provide the best possible recommendations to the Board. The GC will initially focus on three projects. _Focus Areas_ * Relationship Between Corporation and Society Branches. This project considers how the Corporation does and should interact with all branches of the Society, taking into account the global nature of the Society. * Services Provided by the Corporation. This area includes an assessment of what services the Corporation should provide and an investigation of the appropriate means to provide them. Cost management is a priority. * Corporate Governing Documents. This project reviews the governing documents and recommends changes, perhaps in light of the recommendations of other projects. The GC is charged with organizing and planning these three projects to have them be completed by the Fall 1996 Board meeting. The project schedule will be presented at the January 1995 Board meeting. Completing the projects before the Fall 1996 meeting, if possible, is encouraged. Additional projects may be added to these focus areas by the GC, but each project must be managed so that the GC can appropriately discuss and make recommendations on all it has been asked to consider. This scope, and the role of the GC in general, will be re-examined at the Fall 1996 Board meeting. At that time, the Board will agree to continue the work of the GC, disband the GC, and/or create another council to discuss specific issues. RELATION TO BOARD OF DIRECTORS The GC is an advisory board to the Board of Directors and has no power to enforce the recommendations it makes. However, given that the GC is made up of Society participants from a large cross section of the populace, its recommendations should be considered with respect to this diversity of membership. The Board will therefore consider the recommendations of the Grand Council at open meetings. BOARD RESPONSIBILITIES The Board of Directors has the following responsibilities for the Grand Council: * Actively support the mission and charter of the Grand Council * Appoint a Board Member to serve as Ombudsman for the GC * Be available to discuss the current situations and possible proposals or recommendations with GC members * Appoint the Executive Director to answer day to day questions of the GC * Agree to seriously consider the recommendations of the GC in open meetings of the Board GRAND COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP There will be no fewer than 30 and no more than 40 members on the Grand Council. Membership will last for no more than 2 years, until the Fall 1996 meeting of the Board of Directors. Members can re-join the GC should it continue after the Fall 1996 meeting. If a member resigns from the GC, another will be appointed by the GC, keeping in mind the then-current needs of the GC and for diversity within the GC. This appointee will join as soon as appointed and will be noted in the next report to the Board. Should a member not participate in GC discussions for a period of two months, the member will be reminded of his or her non-participation by the communications coordinator. At that time, the member will be given the option to resign from the committee. Two periods of non- communication will result in replacement. GRAND COUNCIL MEMBER RESPONSIBILITIES Members of the GC have the following responsibilities: * Actively participate in GC discussions and decisions via Internet email or letter, as appropriate * Frequently discuss the issues facing the GC with Society participants in whatever forum(s) are appropriate (Kingdom email list, events, the Rialto, local meetings, etc.) * Consider all sides of discussions and options presented and provide recommendations based on those discussions * Attend GC meetings if at an event where a meeting is held. Meetings could be held at Pennsic, Estrella, etc. STRUCTURE OF GRAND COUNCIL The GC is charged will developing an organizational structure which will enable it to accomplish its objectives. This structure will be presented to the Board at the January 1995 meeting. The following structure is proposed, given the current project list and communication method. One member be appointed the Communications Manager. This role is to be the conduit between the Internet list and the paper mail, posting paper mail messages and mailing the Internet postings weekly. This person would also prepare the cohesive project update to the Board for each meeting. Justin du Coeur has volunteered for this position. Three project managers be appointed, one for each project. These gentles would be responsible for running each of the above-named projects, including creating the schedule, managing discussions and proposals, communicating with the other project managers on joint issues, and creating the presentations to the Board. Internet email access is strongly encouraged for these positions. These people will be appointed before the January 1995 Board meeting. One member be the overall Grand Council coordinator. Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire has volunteered for this position. The exact role of this coordinator will be determined by the GC. REPORTING REQUIREMENTS The GC will report to the Board at each of the Board's quarterly meetings. Reports and recommendations may be presented at any of these meetings. Interim reports will be presented to the Executive Director and the GC Sponsor at appropriate intervals. Reports will contain both majority and minority opinions of the GC, if applicable, and recommendations for implementation of these opinions and options. AMENDMENTS TO CHARTER This document will be included in the Society Seneschal's notes of the Board meeting at which it is approved and will be published in Tournaments Illuminated.. This document may be amended at any time by the GC and reported upon at the next Board meeting. Amendments will be included in the Society Seneschal's notes on the next Board meeting. RELATIONSHIP TO IAC The GC will not handle issues better suited to the IAC. Communication with IAC members is crucial to ensure that projects do not overlap. RESOURCE REQUIREMENTS FOR 1995, LISTED FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES * Postage reimbursement for letters, estimated at $520.00 (1 letter per week to each non-Internet available member). The GC is encouraged to conduct fundraising efforts to pay for its own postage and any other expenses it may incur. * Transportation for 1 GC member to attend each Board meeting to present a status report on the progress of the Council. The GC will attempt to send members which will incur few transportation costs to the Corporation, such as a member living close to the Board meeting location. * 5% of ED's time * Some amount of each Board members' time SEND COMMENTS TO: Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire Carol L. Smith 14713 Mill Spring Drive Chesterfield, MO 63017-5654 clsmit@ccmail.monsanto.com BY NOVEMBER 5, 1994, IF POSSIBLE. Later comments welcome, but may not get into the version for the Board to approve. From nordmark-request Fri Oct 21 02:00:02 1994 Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA23394 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 02:00:00 +0100 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA07701 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 01:59:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 01:59:58 +0100 From: Vicki Schalin Message-Id: <199410210059.AA07701@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Tinget och dess kallelse X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Var h{lsade, alla p} prath|gen. Jag h|r till dem som fick kallelsen till tinget p} fredagen, dagen f|re sj{lva tinget. Jag antar att m}nga andra {r i min situation. Naturligtvis kunde jag inte }ka dit. Nu har jag n}gra fr}gor, fr{mst till Herr Peder, men {ven till andra ber|rda. * Varf|r kom kallelsen s} sent? Om det fanns f|raningar att Silversparren inte skulle komma ut i GOD TID innan, varf|r skickades d} inte separata kallelser ut? Varf|r kallades inte till Tinget h{r p} prath|gen, v}rt snabbaste medium? * Finns det m|jligen inga regler/stadgar/lagar f|r hur l}ngt varsel som ska f|reg} tinget? Eller kallas sammankomsten inte "ting" om inte kallelsen kommit i tid? * Om det nu kom n}gra p} tinget/m|tet, vad h{nde i s} fall? N}gon tapper person brukar ju rapportera h{r om timade h{ndelser? Var det ingen d{r? Ber{tta is}fall det! * Har n}got gjorts f|r att inte detta (dvs sen kallelse) ska upprepas? Dessa fr}gor st{ller Lady Deirdre ni Bheirne (imagine a Unicorn here) From nordmark-request Fri Oct 21 02:10:17 1994 Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA23475 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 02:10:16 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA29505 for nordmark; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 02:10:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199410210110.CAA29505@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Tinget och dess kallelse To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 02:10:14 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199410210059.AA07701@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "Vicki Schalin" at Oct 21, 94 01:59:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2267 Status: RO Hej ! > > > Var h{lsade, alla p} prath|gen. > > Jag h|r till dem som fick kallelsen till tinget p} fredagen, dagen f|re sj{lva > tinget. Jag antar att m}nga andra {r i min situation. Naturligtvis kunde jag > inte }ka dit. Nu har jag n}gra fr}gor, fr{mst till Herr Peder, men {ven till > andra ber|rda. > > * Varf|r kom kallelsen s} sent? Om det fanns f|raningar att Silversparren inte > skulle komma ut i GOD TID innan, varf|r skickades d} inte separata kallelser > ut? Varf|r kallades inte till Tinget h{r p} prath|gen, v}rt snabbaste medium? Bra fr}ga, man f}r n{sta en k{nsla av att viss inte vill att det ska komma s} mycket folk p} tinget. Att Sparren skulle vara sen kunde ju en Landsknekt r{kna ut... Varf|r ingen postade p} NML verkar mycket mystiskt. > > * Finns det m|jligen inga regler/stadgar/lagar f|r hur l}ngt varsel som ska > f|reg} tinget? Eller kallas sammankomsten inte "ting" om inte kallelsen kommit > i tid? Det borde finnas s}nna. > > * Om det nu kom n}gra p} tinget/m|tet, vad h{nde i s} fall? N}gon tapper person > brukar ju rapportera h{r om timade h{ndelser? Var det ingen d{r? Ber{tta > is}fall det! Det kanske {r hemligt... :-> > > * Har n}got gjorts f|r att inte detta (dvs sen kallelse) ska upprepas? > > > Dessa fr}gor st{ller > > Lady Deirdre ni Bheirne > > (imagine a Unicorn here) > > MVH Herr Styrbj|rn, undrande (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Fri Oct 21 09:00:20 1994 Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.1.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA25185 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:00:18 +0100 Received: (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.9/8.6.4) id JAA10211 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:00:12 +0100 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199410210800.JAA10211@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Re: Tinget och dess kallelse To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List (Prath|gen)) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 9:00:09 MET DST In-Reply-To: <199410210059.AA07701@meryl.csd.uu.se>; from "Vicki Schalin" at Oct 21, 94 1:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL11] Status: RO Alla p} Prath|gen h{lsas av herr Peder! > * Varf|r kom kallelsen s} sent? Vid drots- och {mbetsmanna-m|tet under Medeltidveckan i Styringheim ber{ttade jag att vi skulle ha Ting i Liunga. D} var datum prelimin{rt satt till den 17:e september. Senare visade det sig att alla skol-lokaler var uthyrda f|r val just den helgen, och alla andra lokaler upptagna f|r |vriga aktiviteter, s} herr Roland (autokrat f|r Tinget) och jag besl|t skjuta p} Tinget 2 veckor. Herr Roland skickade sedan ut inbjudan till alla drotsar (motsv.) flera veckor innan Tinget, och tyr{rr {r jag ingen Landsknekt, s} jag trodde Silversparren skulle komma i b{ttre tid {n den gjorde. Prath|gen {r inte, och kommer aldrig att bli, en officiell information-kanal. Visserligen {r det praktiskt, men jag t{nkte inte p} m|jligheten n{r det var s} dags; f|rmodligen f|r att aktiviteten h{r varit s} l}g. > * Finns det m|jligen inga regler/stadgar/lagar f|r hur l}ngt varsel > som ska f|reg} tinget? Det finns inga som helst regler f|r n{r och var och hur Ting ska h}llas. Vi best{mde p} v}rt f|rsta Ting att vi inte skulle ha n}gra s}dana. D{remot kommer det s}dana regler n{r vi bli furstend|me: d} {r de inskrivna i Lagen. > * Om det nu kom n}gra p} tinget/m|tet, vad h{nde i s} fall? En utf|rlig (n}ja) rapport kommer i Silversparren, det nummer som just nu {r under distribution. Jag att vissa redan f}tt den direkt i handen vid universitetet i Gotvik f|rra helgen. > * Har n}got gjorts f|r att inte detta (dvs sen kallelse) ska upprepas? Nej. Det inget man kan g|ra nu: kalla kan man bara g|ra n{r man vet var och n{r m|tet ska h}llas. Men det {r klart: ju tidigare detta blir best{mt, desto tidigare kan kallelsen g} ut. T{nk p} det, alla presumptiva tings-autokrater. Men varf|r inte l{gga detta p} minnet: N{sta Ting blir i andra halvan av mars n{sta (mundana) }r. Dessutom blir det (f|rmodligen) }rsm|te i SKA-Nordmark vid samma tillf{lle, och f|r hur det ska kallas till s}n't finns det stadgar. Det hj{lper s} tillvida att om inte m|tet {r stadgeenligt utlyst, s} {r det inte giltigt, och d} kan inte styrelsen fg} ansvarsfrihet, och ett nytt m|te m}ste utlysas osv. Dvs en j-a massa jobb. S} det blir nog gjort i god ordning. Jag hoppas detta {r svar p} fr}gorna mvh Peder Klingrode From nordmark-request Fri Oct 21 10:19:48 1994 Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA25426 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 10:19:47 +0100 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA25151; Fri, 21 Oct 94 10:20:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Tinget och dess kallelse To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 10:20:24 +0100 Message-Id: <941021.102024.26669@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO Inst{mmer med Deirdre och Styrbj|rn. Utom att jag fick ingen kallelse alls, bara ett telefonsamtal fr}n v}r lokale drots tv} dagar innan tinget. ??? ??? ??? /Catrin From d87-man@ludd.luth.se Fri Oct 21 12:14:33 1994 Return-Path: d87-man@ludd.luth.se Received: from taurus.ludd.luth.se (taurus.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.37]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA25944 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:14:32 +0100 From: Mikael Adolfsson Received: (d87-man@localhost) by taurus.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA12738 for nmlark; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:14:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:14:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199410211114.MAA12738@taurus.ludd.luth.se> To: nmlark@ludd.luth.se Subject: test Status: RO test av sendmail's inbyggda ``file mailer''. From nordmark-request Fri Oct 21 12:38:41 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA26074 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:38:40 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA01970 for nordmark@ludd; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:38:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199410211138.MAA01970@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Tinget och dess kallelse (fwd) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:38:38 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2551 Status: RO Forwarded message: >From bubba Fri Oct 21 12:36:55 1994 Subject: Re: Tinget och dess kallelse To: xordph@ludd.luth.se (L. J|rgen \hman) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:36:55 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199410210110.CAA29505@mother.ludd.luth.se> from "L. J|rgen \hman" at Oct 21, 94 02:10:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2112 Hallojsans > > Hej ! > > > > > > Var h{lsade, alla p} prath|gen. > > > > Jag h|r till dem som fick kallelsen till tinget p} fredagen, dagen f|re sj{lva > > tinget. Jag antar att m}nga andra {r i min situation. Naturligtvis kunde jag > > inte }ka dit. Nu har jag n}gra fr}gor, fr{mst till Herr Peder, men {ven till > > andra ber|rda. > > > > * Varf|r kom kallelsen s} sent? Om det fanns f|raningar att Silversparren inte > > skulle komma ut i GOD TID innan, varf|r skickades d} inte separata kallelser > > ut? Varf|r kallades inte till Tinget h{r p} prath|gen, v}rt snabbaste medium? > Bra fr}ga, man f}r n{sta en k{nsla av att viss inte vill att det ska komma s} > mycket folk p} tinget. Att Sparren skulle vara sen kunde ju en Landsknekt > r{kna ut... Varf|r ingen postade p} NML verkar mycket mystiskt?? Ja det g|r det, f}r du sparren f|rresten??? T{nkte bara eftersom vi ju {r tre som f|rvillar omv{rlden. > > * Finns det m|jligen inga regler/stadgar/lagar f|r hur l}ngt varsel som ska > > f|reg} tinget? Eller kallas sammankomsten inte "ting" om inte kallelsen kommit > > i tid? > Det borde finnas s}nna. Ja det borde det??? Tinget kan v{l klassas som ett slags medlemsm|te eller }rsm|te?? eller??? > > * Om det nu kom n}gra p} tinget/m|tet, vad h{nde i s} fall? N}gon tapper person > > brukar ju rapportera h{r om timade h{ndelser? Var det ingen d{r? Ber{tta > > is}fall det! > Det kanske {r hemligt... :-> Hemligt??????? Har tinget n}got med BoD's ekonomiska fantasifoster att g|ra? :-) > > > > * Har n}got gjorts f|r att inte detta (dvs sen kallelse) ska upprepas? > > > > > > Dessa fr}gor st{ller > > > > Lady Deirdre ni Bheirne > > > > (imagine a Unicorn here) > > > > > > MVH Herr Styrbj|rn, undrande Ha kul, lek med maten. :) (obs internt) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga * U.J|rgen \hman Frostheim(where frogs live, NOT)* U.Joergen Oehman (NHL-spelling) Barony of Nordmark * Kingdom of Drachenwald * bubba@ludd.luth.se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Fri Oct 21 13:54:55 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA26633 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:54:54 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA12786 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for Nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:53:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:53:49 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199410211253.AA12786@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Tinget.... Status: RO Tjaa, h{r i Aros meddelades det om tinget i god tid p} v}ra ordinarie tisdagsm|ten, s} alla som g}r p} dom fick nog reda p} det. Tyv{rr fick jag problem med skjuts i sista minuten, s} jag kunde inte komma, annars hade jag varit d{r. [r det f|rresten n}n av de som VAR d{r som vet vad som blev av den enk{t jag skickade ner? Frithiof, the friendly herald. From nordmark-request Wed Oct 26 15:55:11 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA26247 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:55:06 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:45:49 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA04718; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:54:50 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9410261454.AA04718@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: SCA in France : Yes Mylord! (fwd) To: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:54:49 MET X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO Om naagon reser till Frankrike i hoest..;) Ciao Morgan// ===================================================================== >Greetings, >There are, as far as I know two 'shires' in france. >One is in Paris. >One is in Reims (Champagne) I am the acting Senechal of the group >in Reims. >mundanely Jean-Baptiste Joule >telephone 26-88-90-77 or 26-77-96-80 > >adress : JB Joule > 65 rue de Courcelles > 51100 REIMS > >We host an event on November 19, >in order to reserve, call the troll at 26-06-59-11, answering machine. > >Good health! > >Fidem teneo! > -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Wed Oct 26 16:05:59 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26311 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:05:58 +0100 Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA25825; Wed, 26 Oct 94 16:06:30 +0100 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10415; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:05:55 +0100 From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <9410261505.AA10415@nastol.astro.lu.se> Subject: Re: SCA in France To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 16:05:54 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO The groups in France are sponsored by the shire of Polderslot, Holland. So if you can't afford a ride all the way to France, but you can make your way to Holland, you can probably hitch a lift from there. If you need e-mail adresses of people in charge in Holland, let me know. Ralph/Chlodovechius ralph@astro.lu.se From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 08:12:07 1994 Return-Path: ERA.ERAANOL@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA09138 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:01 +0100 Received: from eds05.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA10215; Fri, 28 Oct 94 08:11:50 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HISX0TNM1S9CEQ8B@eds.ericsson.se>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:46 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:34 +100 Mr-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:34 +0100 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:00 +0100 From: "ERA.ERAANOL" Subject: Fencing future To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-Id: <2dPcqeR89DqvDfDM*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Ua-Content-Id: 2dPcqeR89DqvDfDM X400-Mts-Identifier: [;43218082014991/95847@EDS] Hop-Count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAANOL +46 8 4042887 94-10-28 08.12 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET Var h=E4lsade alla p=E5 prath=F6gen. Nu har det h=E4nt. Atenveldt =E4r det f=F6rsta kungariket som gjort e= n f=E4ktare till p=E4r. Personen i fr=E5ga blev upptagen i the Order of the Laurel. Visserligen =E4r f=E4ktning en konst, men personligen tycker jag att det borde falla in under k=E4mpalekar. F=E4ktningen st=E5r ju under f=E4ktmarskens omsorg och f=E4ktmarsken st=E5r under Kungarikes marsk= en, som har ansvar f=F6r alla k=E4mpalekar inom kungariket. Borde man inte d=E4rf=F6r kunna bli riddare genom f=E4ktningen? Vad tycker ni? Skall en f=E4ktare som uppm=E4rksammats som en p=E4r b= li Laurel eller riddare? /Gilliam From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 09:03:52 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09308 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:03:51 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA06434 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:02:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:02:39 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199410280802.AA06434@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: En bredsida Status: RO Detta har jag snappat upp p} reformn{tet, jag t{nkte att det kunde vara av intresse? Frithiof - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:50:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Flieg Hollander" Subject: Broadside of a Board - Samhain Edition [The following is a text version of Broadside of a Board most recent. Those who are tired of the Board may hit "n" now. It has been posted to the following lists: rec.org.sca, sca-west, an tir, sca-caid, e5, sca-reform. Cross posting to other groups is encouraged. Please make note of other groups to avoid duplication of posting. Formatting this in 9pt Times Roman, margins t/b=0.5", l=0.75", r=0.5", three columns with 0.25" gutters will give a single, two-sided sheet. hard-copy reproduction is allowed (and encouraged) providing no part of the text is changed. Individual articles may be exerpted as long as credit/blame is given. -- Thank you for your attention. -- Frederick] =============================== Broadside of a Board --- Samhain Edition, October 31, a.s. xxix (For Cynagua Coronet / Mists Investiture) (Written and published by Master Frederick of Holland, Duke) Report on the Board Meeting The meeting was held in Richardson, TX, just north of Dallas. The Board met for 8 hours in a Committee of the Whole meeting on Friday, October 14, from 8am to 8pm. Director A.J. Riviezzo was unable to attend this meeting, which led to occasional confusions on Saturday. The meeting on Saturday, October 15, started at 9:20am and lasted to just before 6pm. This was not as long a public meeting as it might seem because the Board was in Executive Session from ~12:30 until 4:00pm. General observations: The meeting was attended by 40-60 people, not counting Board and Officers. Mixed garb both on the Board and in the audience. Small (1 1/2"x3") non-threatening picket signs were offered for use by a certain Duke of the West. Usage of the signs was sparse at first and increased throughout the day. At least one Board member wore one for a while. Audience participation in the discussions of the day was generally polite. The members of the Board listened with greater and lesser attentiveness, but most did listen, at least a little bit. (More on this in the opinion section.) Much of the time in the meeting was spent on routine business of the Board. The reports below are of items which the publisher believes to be important to the Society as a whole and to interpretation of the Board's actions. Definition of Member As one of the last actions of the day, the Board made an official statement of what constitues a "member". The Board declared that the definition of membership in Corpora I applies to By-Laws Section X. No commentary was made as to why this announcement was delayed so long, given that the original request for such definition was made at the April meeting. Quotations follow: Section X of the By-Laws reads (in part): "X. BOOKS AND RECORDS [...] The books of account may be inspected by any member or member's agent, for any reasonable purpose at any reasonable time. [...]" Section I of Corpora reads: (in part) "I. MEMBERSHIP [...] (Note: According to the California law under which the Society operates, it is defined as a nonmembership corporation. That law supports the Society's use of the terms "member" and "membership" in the common English meaning, referring to persons who have paid to be associated with the organization, rather than the specialized meaning found in statutes relating to Members of Corporations.)" Waiver Committee The Waiver Committee reported through its ombudsman, John Fulton (Duke John ("Bucky") Bearkiller). There is a very rough draft of a generic (waiver)/(assumption of risk) text. This was handed out to the Board only, since the committee felt that it was not yet ready for even a cursory review. This correspondent managed to get a glimpse of it, and it seems to be an extraordinarily commonsense document so far. The committee noted nine (9) areas needing further work, and or points they needed to make to the Board. Of special note was a statement by the Committee that a draft would be published for further comment before it was enacted, and that the whole matter of implementation of waiver policy still needed to be addressed. They called for more volunteers and ideas. Contact them through Anne M. Klingen (1532 Vera Cruz, Memphis, TN 38152). Now is probably a particularly good time to bring up any concerns you have on matters of implementation. Grand Council The Grand Council is finally (almost) under way. The Board of Directors approved "in principle" a proposed Charter for the Grand Council, and then remanded it back to the Grand Council for further work and refinement. The Board also approved the appointments from ten of the 13 Kingdoms (three hadn't appointed anyone), plus the appoint- ment from Lochac, as well as the nomination of seven other members. (By the time you read this, the appointees from the other three Kingdoms will probably have been approved.) A nominating committee has been set up to process further resumes and to recommend appointments to the Board to bring the membership of the Council up to full strength (defined as 40 in the Charter). Caroline Forbes of Oxfordshire was appointed as Coordinator of the Grand Council. (Carol.L. Smith, 14713 Mill Spring Drive, Chesterfield, MO 63017-5654. (314)-530-1836, no calls after 10:30 CENTRAL, please. e-address: clsmit@ccmail.monsanto.com ) Send resumes to her either via the USPS or via e-mail. Caroline said that it is the intent of the people already working on the GC that all deliberations of the Council be open to the entire membership of the SCA. The deliberations are currently scheduled for weekly publication via letter and via e-mail. Price has not yet been set, but it won't be cheap. The publisher of Broadside of a Board is planning on downloading the Grand Council deliberations on a regular basis and making them available in the West Kingdom for cost of copying. We were told that people who are not on the Grand Council are welcome to comment on the deliberations thereof by passing such comments through any of the members of the Grand Council. (In the West Kingdom, the closest members are Sir Eric Bearsbane and Corwyn da Costa.) Branch Fiscal Policy Implementation of the new Branch Fiscal Policy, scheduled for 1 November, was cancelled by the Board. The Board will be looking into a revised proposed Branch Fiscal Policy which was developed at a recent meeting of Exchequers of the Known World. Copies of the revised proposal are available from the Kingdom Exchequer and from the publisher. While it is "better than the old one", it is the opinion of the West Kingdom Exchequer and this Duke that it still needs to be made reasonable for implementation by small groups. Read it and write the Board! The question of whether there shouldn't be a Board Fiscal Policy was pointedly asked from the audience. (There is currently no policy on check signing and the like.) The Treasurer agreed that there should be, and discussion was cut off. A request from the Society Exchequer to have a requirement placed in Corpora that every branch must have a Treasurer was send to IAC for commentary. Implementation of this requirement will depend in part on the new Branch Fiscal Policy. Non-member surcharge report. As of 7 October, about $15K in surcharge has been collected. Of this, about $6K was from Pennsic. The Society Seneschal said that all Kingdoms showed some compliance and that she thought that a "good faith" effort was being made. This correspondent has his doubts. Board Secretary and Treasurer A proposal was made to separate the Offices of Secretary of the Board and Society Treasurer from the Board. Currently both offices are held by Directors. The idea met with special resistance from A.J. Riviezzo and Randall Tatro and was put forward to the January meeting for further discussion. Acting Executive Director resigns, Executive Assistant appointed. In a short but emotional speech to the meeting, Sandra Dodd (Aelflaed of Duckford) announced her resignation from the position of Acting Executive Director of the SCA. The search for an Executive Director is continuing. Rather than appoint yet another Acting ED, the Board appointed Lori Taylor (Viscountess Lore de Lorraine, O.P.) as Executive Assistant to the Board. She will be handling much of the day-to-day business that Aelflaed did. Her address is Lori Taylor, 6161 E. Grant Rd. #24209, Tucson, AZ, 85712. (602) 855-3430. E-mail access is being arranged and will be publicized. Proposed changes to the By-Laws to change the relative position of the ED and the Society Seneschal were brought up. Supposedly they will be publicized for commentary. New Committees -- Share the Burden? Director Lee Forgue (Mistress Eilis O'Boirne) proposed the formation of two new committees to "spread the load". The first was an Insurance Committee to investigate and shop insurance policies with recommendation to the Board and the ED with respect to purchasing same. This idea was approved, and volunteers to serve on it are being solicited. Send your resume to the Ombudsman to the Committee, Ed Kreyling, 202 South Park Drive, Jackson, MS, 39211 (601)-957-0397. (He is also the West Kingdom Ombudsthing.) The second proposal was for an Audit Committee to provide oversight for spending and the budget, to report to the Treasurer and the Board. In a quick maneuver, A.J. Riviezzo, Society Treasurer, claimed that the Finance Committee should be the committee to do this, not a new committee. While there was some commentary that the Audit Committee should be an independent body, it was finally agreed that there would be a trial period to see if the Finance Committee would do the job properly. Access to the Books of Record A procedure is being established for the membership to obtain access to the Books of Record (if they want them). The proposed procedure is that the books will be open for inspection by appointment Tuesdays and Thursdays from 10-12 am and 1-3 pm. Copying costs will be established. Ed Kreyling suggested that these procedures be finalized by Rene Signoretti, and then publicized to the membership (his emphasis). A.J. Riviezzo, the Society Treasurer (and Board Member) also stated that summary reports, containing year-to-date cash flow, balances, and membership figures will be made available by mail. Mail your requests to the Society Office. No cost for this report was established. I suggest that until such cost is established and publicized that such requests be accompanied by $1 for copying costs and a legal-length SASE with three ounces of postage. Next Board Meeting The next meeting of the Board will be held 13 and 14 January, 1995. The Friday meeting will be at the corporate headquarters in Milpitas. The Saturday open meeting will be at an East-Bay site which has yet to be confirmed in detail. More in the Page and in the Twelfth Night Edition of this Broadside. Deadline for commentary on issues is 30 December, to the Society Office. Commentary/Editorial What the Board didn't do: They didn't repeal the non-member surcharge, or discuss it. It will be reviewed at the January meeting. There was no discussion at the meeting on the money raised, or whether or not that was actually a significant amount. They didn't publically discuss the financial emergency at all! There was some discussion of the matter with the audience, led by AElflaed, during the Executive Session, but the Board didn't hear it. The thrust of that discussion was that the Board needed to give the membership some good reason to trust it with more money before that money would be forthcoming. They didn't establish any controls over spending the subscription liability money, or any other sorts of spending controls. They maintained veto power over the membership of the Grand Coun- cil and the terms of the Charter. They don't seem to be using the veto power, but the effet of that control is chilling. They didn't select a 7th member. They are planning to do this in a phone meeting in early November. Some members of the Board fought any reduction in the power of the Board at every opportunity. The newer members of the Board (John, Lee and Ed) seemed to be more receptive to the idea of member participation and openness, but seemed unwilling to push the matter in public meeting. There was a clear polarization of the Board along old- Board/new-Board lines in many of the public discussions. What the Board did do (Positive actions): They didn't take precipitous action on several items that came up. How can a negative action be positive? Just think back on things that the Board has done in the last 9 months. They did offer some information, which had been previously held as a tight secret, to the membership. They did acknowledge that the members are members (finally). They didn't say "No" to the idea that the Officers of the SCA, Inc. might be other than Directors. They didn't say "Yes", either. It is my feeling that they need to be encouraged to make this separation, allowing more people access to the highest levels of "power", and reducing the tendency of the Board to micro-manage the SCA. Overall Comment The Board meeting was a holding action. The Board didn't do anything particularly bad, but they didn't do anything particularly good, either. The newer Board members do seem to be more open to input from the members, but they are still reluctant to fight it out with the older Board members in public discussion. Write to them (and to the others as well) urging the Board to take a leadership position in reforming the SCA, Inc. into something that does not interfere with our Society life and which is accountable to the membership. "Reform and Reclaim" CAN begin at the top! ------------------------------------------------------ Broadside of a Board is an occasional publication written and edited by Frederick of Holland (3334 California Street, Berkeley, CA, 94703. Phone (510)-653-3652. email: flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu). Reproduction of all or parts of Broadside of a Board is encouraged. Please don't alter any article, and please do credit the source. Next issue is scheduled for 12th Night unless circumstances change. ===================================================== * * * Frederick of Holland, MSCA, OP, etc. *** *** *** flieg@garnet.berkeley.edu _|___|___|_ |===========| (((Flieg Hollander, Chem. Dept., U.C. Berkeley))) ================== Old Used Duke ================= [All subjects of the Crown are equal under its protection and no Corporation is going to convince me otherwise.] From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 09:28:04 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09386 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:28:03 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA06531 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:26:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:26:51 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199410280826.AA06531@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Faektning Status: RO Eftersom faektning aer en stridsform, och ridderskap utdelas till framstaaende kaempar, borde en faektare kunna bli riddare. Fast, om man ser kaempandet som en KONST, saa borde vael kaempar tilldelas Lagerkransorden i staellet.... Och hur blir det med framstaaende baagskyttar? Strids- eller tavelskyttar? Var gaar graensen mellan strid och konst? Om man jobbar mycket med att fraemja kampkonsten, kan man daa bli trippelpaer paa en gaang? Frithiof, som just flippade ut.... From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 10:04:08 1994 Return-Path: ERA.ERAANOL@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09499 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:04:02 +0100 Received: from eds05.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA17453; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:03:54 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HIT0XU1UCG9CEQ8B@eds.ericsson.se>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:04:53 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:04:40 +100 Mr-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:04:40 +0100 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:04:00 +0100 From: "ERA.ERAANOL" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E4kttr=E4ning?= To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-Id: <2dP4qixCLMYXRNLM*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Ua-Content-Id: 2dP4qixCLMYXRNLM X400-Mts-Identifier: [;04400182014991/97295@EDS] Hop-Count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAANOL +46 8 4042887 94-10-28 10.04 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET >Aprop=E5 f=E4ktning: H=E5lls det n=E5gon f=E4ktningstr=E4ning regelb= undet? Jod=E5, det =E4r f=E4ktning varje L=F6rdag i polishuset p=E5 Kungshol= men mellan kl 10 och 12. Utrustning finns att l=E5na. /Gilliam From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 10:09:22 1994 Return-Path: ETXT.ETXMAJK@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09508 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:09:19 +0100 Received: from eds05.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA17878; Fri, 28 Oct 94 10:09:15 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HIT10WZ5ZK9CEQ8B@eds.ericsson.se>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:10:19 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:09:31 +100 Mr-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:09:31 +0100 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:09:00 +0100 From: "ETXT.ETXMAJK" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=E4ktning?= mm. To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-Id: <2df5qiBDhg2fpfGM*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Ua-Content-Id: 2df5qiBDhg2fpfGM X400-Mts-Identifier: [;13900182014991/97359@EDS] Hop-Count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ETXT.ETXMAJK +46 8 7194256 94-10-28 10.09 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET Hej p=E5 prath=F6gen, Giles h=E4r, jag t=E4nte bara ut=F6ka diskussionen som Lord Gilliam initierade med= att s=E4ga att p=E5 Pennsic s=E5 gjordes en b=E5gskytt i Middle till Laurel pga = bra b=E5gskytte! Efterssom b=E5gskytte och f=E4ktning b=E5da =E4r en sort= s strid borde samma resonemang g=E4lla f=F6r b=E5da verksamheterna. Jag tycker att det =E4r konstigt att det =E4r s=E5 ovanligt att b= =E5gskytte och f=E4ktning =E4r anledningen till att n=E5gon blir p=E4rad. Det = =E4r ju trots allt lika medeltida som heavy fighting. Men personligen s=E5 tycker j= ag inte att man skall dubba b=E5gskyttar eller f=E4ktare, en riddare skall ma= n kunna banka p=E5, h=E5rt :) MMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEERRRRRRR WWWWHHIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSKKKKEEEEEEEYYYYYY= Y!!!! Giles From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 10:23:28 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA09572 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:23:27 +0100 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA10640 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for NORDMARK@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:23:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:23:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199410280923.AA10640@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: ERA.ERAANOL@memo3.ericsson.se Cc: NORDMARK@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: "ERA.ERAANOL"'s message of Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:00 +0100 <2dPcqeR89DqvDfDM*@MHS> Subject: Fencing future From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Varen h{lsade. Gilliam, {r du s{ker p} att det {r den f|rsta f{ktaren som blivit p{r (pga sin f{ktning)? Jag har sett flera debatter om detta p} Rialto de senaste }ren, men det har hela tiden funnits en konsensus om att b}de f{ktare och b}gskyttar ska kunna bli p{rer. Oenigheten g{ller om de kan bli riddare eller inte. Personligen har jag i allt h|gre grad kommit att betrakta ridderskapet som en ointaglig borg, vacker och st}tlig, men full av gammalt avskr{de och placerad mitt i v{gen f|r v}r f|renings fram}tskridande. De andra p{rordnarna har under }rens lopp |ppnat sig f|r nya kategorier av aktiviteter, endast ridderskapet har lyckats h}lla allt utom "tunga" k{mpar utanf|r. Det {r p} tiden att vi stormar den borgen. William From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 11:35:11 1994 Return-Path: ERA.ERAANOL@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA10053 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:35:10 +0100 Received: from eds05.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA24232; Fri, 28 Oct 94 11:35:04 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HIT43O4LEO9CEQ8B@eds.ericsson.se>; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:36:03 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:35:48 +100 Mr-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:35:48 +0100 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:35:00 +0100 From: "ERA.ERAANOL" Subject: Fencing mm To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-Id: <2h'OqixHp9723OLM*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Ua-Content-Id: 2h'OqixHp9723OLM X400-Mts-Identifier: [;84531182014991/98539@EDS] Hop-Count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAANOL +46 8 4042887 94-10-28 11.35 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET F=F6r att svara p=E5 Williams fr=E5ga, nej jag =E4r inte s=E4ker p= =E5 att det =E4r den f=F6rste f=E4ktaren som blivit p=E4r. Jag l=E4ste det i det senaste nummret av 'The Silver Dagger' som = =E4r en f=E4kttidning. Som alla vet kan man ju aldrig lita till 100 procent p=E5 vad tidningarna skriver, men enligt ins=E4ndaren s=E5 = =E4r det den f=F6rste. /Gilliam From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 12:19:28 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10160 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:19:27 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA15618 for nordmark; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:19:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199410281119.MAA15618@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Fencing future To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:19:24 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <2dPcqeR89DqvDfDM*@MHS> from "ERA.ERAANOL" at Oct 28, 94 08:12:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1883 Status: RO Salve ! > > --- Received from ERA.ERAANOL +46 8 4042887 94-10-28 08.12 > -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET > -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET > Var h=E4lsade alla p=E5 prath=F6gen. > Nu har det h=E4nt. Atenveldt =E4r det f=F6rsta kungariket som gjort e= > n > f=E4ktare till p=E4r. Personen i fr=E5ga blev upptagen i the Order of > the Laurel. > Visserligen =E4r f=E4ktning en konst, men personligen tycker jag att > det borde falla in under k=E4mpalekar. F=E4ktningen st=E5r ju under > f=E4ktmarskens omsorg och f=E4ktmarsken st=E5r under Kungarikes marsk= > en, > som har ansvar f=F6r alla k=E4mpalekar inom kungariket. > > Borde man inte d=E4rf=F6r kunna bli riddare genom f=E4ktningen? > Vad tycker ni? Skall en f=E4ktare som uppm=E4rksammats som en p=E4r b= > li > Laurel eller riddare? > > /Gilliam > > Jag tycker att f{ktare och {ven b}gskytta ska bli riddare. Det {t ju {nd} stridskonst som dom sysslar med. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 13:19:06 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10322 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 13:18:59 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:09:45 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA29053; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 13:18:40 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9410281218.AA29053@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: FF...suck... To: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 13:18:40 MET Cc: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) In-Reply-To: <199410280923.AA10640@meryl.csd.uu.se>; from "vader@meryl.csd.uu.se" at Oct 28, 94 10:23 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO >William skriver : > >Gilliam, {r du s{ker p} att det {r den f|rsta f{ktaren >som blivit p{r (pga sin f{ktning)? Jag har sett flera >debatter om detta p} Rialto de senaste }ren, men det >har hela tiden funnits en konsensus om att b}de f{ktare >och b}gskyttar ska kunna bli p{rer. Oenigheten g{ller >om de kan bli riddare eller inte. Det har gjorts baade faektare och baagskyttar till Paerer, Laurels & Pelicans. >Personligen har jag i allt h|gre grad kommit att betrakta >ridderskapet som en ointaglig borg, vacker och st}tlig, >men full av gammalt avskr{de och placerad mitt i v{gen >f|r v}r f|renings fram}tskridande. Saa uppfattar maanga Paer-ordnar och andra utmaerkelse- grupperingar ocksaa...;) >De andra p{rordnarna >har under }rens lopp |ppnat sig f|r nya kategorier av >aktiviteter, endast ridderskapet har lyckats h}lla allt >utom "tunga" k{mpar utanf|r. Det {r p} tiden att vi >stormar den borgen. Lycka till, men kanske vi borde ta och titta paa hur, vad och varfoer de olika paerskapen delas ut....? Dessutom vore det baettre att ta bort de otidsenliga Paerskapen helt och haallet i- staellet. Hackandet paa just riddarna laater mer som "surt sa raven om roennbaeren"...baettre att goera naagot ordentligt med systemet... ...hm...: Knight = Krigare med egen utrustning som svurit trohet till en Kung/Prins eller annan Paer (Feodalherre). Laurel = Person med Maestarbrev inom en konst eller vetenskap. Pelican = ?? Hoegre aembetsman...vad vet jag...?? eller Knight of the Sword Knight of the Laurel Knight of the Pelican Den typen av Ornar aer fraan den senare delen av vaar tidsperiod, men det finns belaegg foer det....;) Det aer svaart att hitta belaegg foer att naagon dubbats till riddare pga att de aer duktig baagskytt. Vad gaeller faektning aer det _lite_ knepigare...vad raeknas som faektning ? Aer det bristen paa rustning som avgoer eller vapnen, eller stridstekniken ? Ingen har vad jag vet blivit dubbad till riddare foer sin individuella skicklighet med vaerja under vaar tidsperiod.....naagon som kan citera en kaella och ett exempel ? Ciao Morgan// .......varfoer aer det saa viktigt att bli just Riddare...? -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 14:04:24 1994 Return-Path: Kristina.Hildebrand@lobster.hsc.uu.se Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10489 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:04:23 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA27933 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:04:13 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA00492 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:04:10 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:04:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199410281304.AA00492@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: fŠktning X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Morgan skrev: > Lycka till, men kanske vi borde ta och titta paa hur, vad >och varfoer de olika paerskapen delas ut....? Dessutom vore det >baettre att ta bort de otidsenliga Paerskapen helt och haallet i- >staellet. Hackandet paa just riddarna laater mer som "surt sa raven >om roennbaeren"...baettre att goera naagot ordentligt med systemet... >...hm...: Givetvis {r det alltid b{ttre att f|rst kolla att man faktiskt inte beh|ver en genomg}ende f|r{ndring, innan man kritiserar detaljer. Faktum {r dock att man nog kan kommentera just riddarna utan att detta {r ett utslag av surt sa r{ven - i synnerhet som m}nga riddare sj{lva g|r det...Det {r dock enklare att f|ra en debatt om man f}r yttra sig utan att h|ra till den kritiserade gruppen. >.......varfoer aer det saa viktigt att bli just Riddare...? Tja, inte vet jag - jag har aldrig haft n}gra ambitioner }t det h}llet. varf|r tyckte du att det var viktigt? Celemon From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 14:17:05 1994 Return-Path: mabr@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10538 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:17:00 +0100 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 13:07:08 GMT Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA29410; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:16:06 +0100 From: Morgan Broman Message-Id: <9410281316.AA29410@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Re: fŠktning To: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:16:04 MET Cc: nordmark@mother.ludd.luth.se (Nordmark mailing list (SCA)) In-Reply-To: <199410281304.AA00492@lobster.hsc.uu.se>; from "Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se" at Oct 28, 94 2:04 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO >Celemon skriver : >>.......varfoer aer det saa viktigt att bli just Riddare...? >Tja, inte vet jag - jag har aldrig haft n}gra ambitioner }t det h}llet. >varf|r tyckte du att det var viktigt? Vem har paastaatt att jag tyckt det ? Det har varit en foerhoppning eftersom det var det enda jag saag att jag hade kunskap foer att bli, men saa himla viktigt har det aldrig varit...;) Det aer kul att faa utmaerkel- ser, men saerskilt viktigt aer det inte, det aer ju aendaa bara paa laatsas, eller hur ? Ciao M// ......med fler laatsas-titlar aen riktiga..;) -- HP : Morgan Broman mabr@sweden.hp.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vis et Gloria (Motto) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is life, but a sequence of fragments of time put together in a random fashion, to create eternity... Morgan (a.k.a Shade) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing stated here is an official statement by the Hewlett-Packard Corp. From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 14:30:07 1994 Return-Path: Kristina.Hildebrand@lobster.hsc.uu.se Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA10635 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:30:06 +0100 Received: from lobster.hsc.uu.se by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA32047 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:30:04 +0100 Received: from [130.238.165.74] (enkrihi.ENGELSKA.UU.SE) by lobster.hsc.uu.se with SMTP id AA00790 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:30:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:30:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199410281330.AA00790@lobster.hsc.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Kristina.Hildebrand@engelska.uu.se Subject: fencing X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Morgan skrev: > Vem har paastaatt att jag tyckt det ? Det har varit en foerhoppning >eftersom det var det enda jag saag att jag hade kunskap foer att bli, men >saa himla viktigt har det aldrig varit...;) Det aer kul att faa utmaerkel- >ser, men saerskilt viktigt aer det inte, det aer ju aendaa bara paa laatsas, >eller hur ? Hur viktigt det {r tror jag beror p} om man f}r n}gon annan form av tack f|r det arbete man g|r - {r utm{rkelserna det enda tacket blir de proportionerligt viktigare. (Sj{lv tycker jag alltid att det {r litet pinsamt, framf|rallt f|r att jag oftast snubblar p} n}gonting p} v{gen fram till tronerna.) Personligen tror jag att riddarskapets lockelse ligger mycket i att det har s} mycket attiraljer - b{lte, sporrar, kedja - som visar vad man {r. Medaljonger {r s} mycket diskretare. >M// >......med fler laatsas-titlar aen riktiga..;) Ja, vem har inte det? I alla fall tills jag kan kalla mig fil. dr. Celemon From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 18:15:51 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from skynet.ludd.luth.se (skynet.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.6]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA11606 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:15:50 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by skynet.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA03017 for nordmark; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:15:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199410281715.SAA03017@skynet.ludd.luth.se> Subject: F{ktning och P{rer To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:15:46 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 805 Status: RO Salve allihopsens, Ulf here. Corpora s{ger allts} att om f{ktning {r en Konst eller Vetenskap s} {r det OK att f} ett PoA och bli Laurel f|r sin f{ktning. Om f{ktning d{remot {r en stridskonst (vilket det uppenbarligen {r eftersom det klart framg}r att det {r marsk-{mbetet som ansvarar f|r det) s} verkar det k|rt att f} ett PoA och bli Riddare/Motsv. f|r sin f{ktnings skull. /Ulf - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 18:25:49 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from skynet.ludd.luth.se (skynet.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.6]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA11671 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:25:48 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by skynet.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA03028 for nordmark; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:25:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199410281725.SAA03028@skynet.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Registratorer och postboxar. To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:25:45 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1148 Status: RO Salve allihopsens, Ulf igen.... Jag har en stilla undran???? Jag l{ste om Registrators{mbetet i Sparren och blev f|r ett |gonblick intresserad, men d} stod det att en ny registrator m}ste kunna ta sig till Holmrike regelbundet f|r att t|mma postboxen och det har jag ju varken tid, lust eller r}d att g|ra. D{rf|r undrar jag nu om det finns praktiska hinder som {r o|vervinnerliga eller om det r|r sig om en Holmrikisk missuppfattning att vara v{rldens centrum, eller vad det nu kan bero p}???? Jag har funderat och funderat men inte hittat n}got bra sk{l till att ha postadressen, f|r registrering, i Holmrike {ven om registratorn skulle r}ka vara bosatt p} annat h}ll i Nordmark. Kan n}gon svara p} detta??? /Ulf, undrande - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Fri Oct 28 23:14:34 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA12734 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:14:33 +0100 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA20725 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:14:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 23:14:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199410282214.AA20725@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: "U.J|rgen \hman"'s message of Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:15:46 +0100 (MET) <199410281715.SAA03017@skynet.ludd.luth.se> Subject: F{ktning och P{rer From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Morgan skrev: >Lycka till, men kanske vi borde ta och titta paa hur, vad >och varfoer de olika paerskapen delas ut....? Dessutom vore det >baettre att ta bort de otidsenliga Paerskapen helt och haallet i- >staellet. Huva, saa radikal ni {r! :-) Men jag haaller med. Paer-ordnarna borde avskaffas och ersaettas med ett enda paerskap som aer lika oavsett vilka aktiviteter man aegnar sig aat i SCA. De aktivitets-specifika beloeningarna kan sedan ges i form av maestargrad o dyl. foer hantverkare, ordens- medlemskap foer krigare, osv. William From nordmark-request Sat Oct 29 00:09:53 1994 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from gateway.informix.com (gateway.informix.com [192.216.240.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA12894 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:09:50 +0100 Received: from informix.com (infmx.informix.com) by gateway.informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22073; Fri, 28 Oct 94 16:09:41 PDT Received: from atlas (atlas.informix.com) by informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08774; Fri, 28 Oct 94 16:09:33 PDT Received: by atlas (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA09695; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:08:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:08:27 -0500 From: Russell Cole Posted-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:08:27 -0500 Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:08:27 -0500 Message-Id: <9410282308.AA09695@atlas> Subject: Re: Fencing future To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Status: RO Hej everyone, Ok, Understanding that I'm reading Swedish and I might not understand everything(please let me know if I'm totally offbase). the basic question is: Should fencers be elevated to a Laurel or Knight. >> >>Borde man inte d=E4rf=F6r kunna bli riddare genom f=E4ktningen? >>Vad tycker ni? Skall en f=E4ktare som uppm=E4rksammats som en p=E4r b= >>li >>Laurel eller riddare? My answer{Rusty puts on his flame resistant suit :) } No! Right now the SCA looks upon fighting as heavy fighting, Pelicans for Service and Laurels for Arts and Sciences. (this is coming from a person in a different kingdom) In Calontir we don't allow fencing as it is practiced in most kingdoms. I have seen fencing in Drachenwald with face masks, w/ metal foils, etc... That is not allowed here. Metal weapons aren't allowed on the lists. Most foils are made of what? Metal. We have devised foils made from PVC plastic that work very much the same and aren't as flippy. The people that want to fence in Calontir(and those outside of Calontir) stated they won't play by those rules. So, no fencing. In the kingdoms that allow fencing, I could see a GOA(POA) being allowed for Fencing(ansteroria has such an award) but I can't see someone being made a Knight or Laurel for it. I think(this is an opnion) that is a shame for someone being made a Knight for Fencing. Ok, Let the flames begin. :) :) :) :) Rusty From nordmark-request Sat Oct 29 00:29:23 1994 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from meryl.csd.uu.se (meryl.csd.uu.se [130.238.11.31]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA12971 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:29:22 +0100 Received: by meryl.csd.uu.se id AA21465 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:28:01 +0100 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 00:28:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199410282328.AA21465@meryl.csd.uu.se> To: rcole@informix.com Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: Russell Cole's message of Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:08:27 -0500 <9410282308.AA09695@atlas> Subject: Fencing future From: Sender: vader@csd.uu.se X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO Hi Rusty! I honor Calontir for the decision to disallow fencing. My personal opinion is that even though fencing is demonstrably "period", it does not fit with the Age of Chivalry -- fencing is a matter of duelling, not honorable medieval feudal combat. Most of all, it makes me think of The Three Musketeers, and that is the *wrong* movie! Also, fencing as it is done in the SCA has rather little to do with renaissance fencing as done ca 1350 (Italy) and on. Our epees are *far* too light. So, in the SCA I would want, "renaissance fencing" does not exist. But it *does* exist in most parts of the SCA, and the blight of renaissance foppery is spreading. Reluctantly, I accept that it probably will not go away. So, it exists in the SCA, it is a martial activity -- not an art -- and that means it should lead to knighthood. The SCA has some difficulty making up its mind about what knighthood really is. A re-creation of medieval knighthood? Or a reward for services and skills in the Society? There is a conflict between these two functions. As it is today, most of the traditions and rules concerning knighthood are clearly in the "reward" rather than in the "recreation" direction. It is then logical to have knighthood as a reward for martial activities. William From nordmark-request Sat Oct 29 23:55:24 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from box.ludd.luth.se (box.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.26]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA01326 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:55:23 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by box.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA01057 for nordmark@ludd; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:55:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199410292255.XAA01057@box.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Fencing future To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:55:19 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199410282328.AA21465@meryl.csd.uu.se> from "vader@meryl.csd.uu.se" at Oct 29, 94 00:28:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2745 Status: RO > > Hi Rusty! > > I honor Calontir for the decision to disallow fencing. My personal > opinion is that even though fencing is demonstrably "period", it > does not fit with the Age of Chivalry -- fencing is a matter of > duelling, not honorable medieval feudal combat. Most of all, it > makes me think of The Three Musketeers, and that is the *wrong* > movie! > > Also, fencing as it is done in the SCA has rather little to do with > renaissance fencing as done ca 1350 (Italy) and on. Our epees are > *far* too light. So, in the SCA I would want, "renaissance fencing" > does not exist. > > But it *does* exist in most parts of the SCA, and the blight of > renaissance foppery is spreading. Reluctantly, I accept that > it probably will not go away. So, it exists in the SCA, it is a martial > activity -- not an art -- and that means it should lead to knighthood. > > The SCA has some difficulty making up its mind about what knighthood > really is. A re-creation of medieval knighthood? Or a reward for > services and skills in the Society? There is a conflict between > these two functions. As it is today, most of the traditions and > rules concerning knighthood are clearly in the "reward" rather > than in the "recreation" direction. It is then logical to have > knighthood as a reward for martial activities. > > William > Hi all, According to Corpora-VII.A.4....(patent orders) The Chivalry. (1) Specific requirements: (a) The candidate must be considered the equal of his or her prospective peers with the basic weapons of tournament combat. watch closely--->^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Corpora G.5 says....(rapier fighting in the society) The Board acknowledges period rapier combat as an ancillary activity of the Society when properly supervised by the Marshals and when approved by individual kingdoms. Rapier combat may take place within a kingdom only by rules established by the Marshallate of that kingdom and after the approval of those rules by the Marshal of the Society. The Board directs the Marshal of the Society to formulate guidelines for rapier combat within the Society. Rapier combat, not having been part of formal tournament combat in the Middle Ages, shall not be a part of formal tournament lists for royal ranks and armigerous titles Ulf/ reading the book :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 09:56:06 1994 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.1.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA07779 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:56:03 +0100 Received: (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.9/8.6.4) id JAA09608 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:55:54 +0100 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199410310855.JAA09608@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Registratorer och postboxar To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List (Prath|gen)) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 9:55:52 MET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL11] Status: RO Ulf Mj|dtunga undrar stilla om det finns praktiska hinder. F|r vad, {r outtalat, men jag antar att det f|r att flytta postboxen f|r registrators-{mbetet till den ort d{r registratorn bor. Svaret {r nej. Inga praktiska hinder. D{remot sociala. Det har visat sig att Nordmarkaren har out{gligt sv}rt att fatta n{r en officiell funktion byter adress. I |ver ett }r efter det att ett {mbete eller tj{nst flyttat, kommer det brev till den f|rre innehavaren. Det var d{rf|r vi skaffade postboxen i f|rsta hand, s} att registratorn kunde skifta utan att adressen {ndrades. Nu kan man resonera att de som skriver fel f}r skylla sig sj{lva, men oftast {r det de nya oerfarna som g|r felet, och vad f}r de d} f|r intryck av f|reningen? Men alla konstruktiva f|rslag hur man l|ser ett s}nt h{r problem tas emot tacksamt. mvh /Peder Klingrode From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 10:33:19 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07891 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:33:18 +0100 Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA24067; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:33:56 +0100 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10353; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:33:17 +0100 From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <9410310933.AA10353@nastol.astro.lu.se> Subject: Registratorer och postboxar To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:33:17 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO An other (financially less attractive) solution would be to have the mail forwarded to an other address that may be changed whenever the need arises. I don't know how much this would cost though, and a delay of a few days extra would probably arise as well. Ralph/Klovis From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 10:43:25 1994 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA07949 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:43:24 +0100 Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA24703; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:44:00 +0100 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA10404; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:43:13 +0100 From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <9410310943.AA10404@nastol.astro.lu.se> Subject: Re: Fencing future To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:43:13 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO A similar thing, though at kingdom (Drachenwald) level has already occured: A lady from Polderslot has become a member of the order of the silver guard for her fencing. There may be more by now. What I wonder about is how many heavy weapons fighters have gotten their _Laurel_ for their attempts to make fighting as period as possible. A person who comes to mind is baron Ragnvald, who was one of the first in Nordmark to run around in very good looking and documented armour, when most others were still wearing hockey gloves, hockey protection, a tabbard, and desperately looking for something to put on their heads. Ralph/Klodwick (who'd like to keep the fencing off the field) From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 10:44:47 1994 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07961 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:44:46 +0100 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA03682 for nordmark; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:44:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199410310944.KAA03682@mother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: registrator mm. To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:44:44 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1375 Status: RO Salve ! < klipp > > > Nu kan man resonera att de som skriver fel f}r skylla sig sj{lva, men > oftast {r det de nya oerfarna som g|r felet, och vad f}r de d} f|r > intryck av f|reningen? Men alla konstruktiva f|rslag hur man l|ser > ett s}nt h{r problem tas emot tacksamt. > > mvh > /Peder Klingrode > Efters{ndning fr}n postboxen till den som {r registrator. Kostnaden {r nog |verkomlig. Iden att ett {mbete ska vara knutet till en viss ort {r ju skr{mmande. MVH Styrbj|rn (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* Styrbj|rn Halte, Frostheim, Barony of Nordmark, Kingdom of Drachenwald *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) (* *) (* J|rgen /hman Snail-mail: *) (* K}rhusv{gen 5 8:806 *) (* Ludd Computer Club 97754 Lule} *) (* University of Lule} Sweden *) (* *) (* E-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se Telephone: +46-920 11637 *) (* *) (* Driving along, doing the speed limit. *) (* Not the one on some silly b'crat's sign. The road's limit. *) (* *) (***************************************************************************) From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 12:04:44 1994 Return-Path: ERA.ERAAINA@memo3.ericsson.se Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA08293 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:04:43 +0100 Received: from eds05.ericsson.se (eds05.ericsson.se [136.225.9.2]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.9/1.0) with ESMTP id MAA03767 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:04:41 +0100 Received: from mrp.ericsson.se by eds.ericsson.se (PMDF V4.3-8 #7344) id <01HIXC1OHKI89CD5QQ@eds.ericsson.se>; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:05:45 +0100 Received: with PMDF-MR; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:05:29 +100 MR-Received: by mta EDS05; Relayed; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:05:29 +0100 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:05:00 +0100 From: "ERA.ERAAINA" Subject: Medlemsreg!! To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.SE Message-id: <3lQOqux6fOGCZPIM*@MHS> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE UA-content-id: 3lQOqux6fOGCZPIM X400-MTS-identifier: [;92502113014991/111309@EDS] Hop-count: 2 Status: RO --- Received from ERA.ERAAINA 08-757 3505 94-10-31 12.05 -> VAX.NORDMARK..LUDD.LUTH.SE..INET -: - - - - - - - - - - > MAIL USER IN VAX AND INTERNET Salve! Oj, det blev som alltid mycket tyckande p=E5 prath=F6gen. Jag =E4r gl= ad f=F6r all respons, det =E4r trevligt att se att folk =E4r engagerade. Till saken. Registrator =E4r formellt sett inte ett =E4mbete. Det =E4r bara ett jobb som jag gjort. (Och f=F6re mig Countess Alienor och f=F6re henne Herr Olaus Martinus.) Vad jag vet s=E5 finns det i vissa grupper en liknande funktion men detta bruk =E4r inte s=E5 vitt spritt inom SCA att det n=E5gonsin blivit ett =E4mbete. Syftet med postboxen var aldrig att knyta =E4mbetet till en viss ort. Syftet var att underl=E4tta f=F6r medlemmarna. Som jag ser det =E4r det en service (om man nu vill utnyttja den) till alla med- lemmar. Detta inbegriper i h=F6gsta grad de allra nyaste och det =E4r de som =E4r sv=E5rast att n=E5 med ny information. Tro mig, det =C4R sv=E5rt att n=E5 folk med ny information. Det TAR t= id och N=C4R det blir fel s=E5 =E4r det inte registratorn som drabbas ut= an den presumptive medlemmen. D=E4rf=F6r gjorde Countess Alienor och jag gemensamt bed=F6mningen at= t f=F6r att underl=E4tta f=F6r "kunderna" s=E5 vore det bra med en post= box. Den som skickar in papprena beh=F6ver aldrig m=E4rka om vi s=E5 byter registrator en g=E5ng i m=E5naden. Detta har underl=E4ttat b=E5de f= =F6r mig och f=F6r de blivande medlemmarna enligt min bed=F6mning. Sj=E4lvklart kan man anordna med efters=E4ndning fr=E5n postboxen om registratorn bor n=E5gon annanstans. Detta vore en bra id=E9 i f=F6rs= ta skedet eftersom man hyr en postbox f=F6r ett =E5r fram=E5t enligt kontrakt (v=E5rt g=E5r ut per sista juni 1995). Detta g=E5r givetvis att l=F6sa (allt g=E5r att l=F6sa). D=E4refter blir det en annan fr= =E5ga hur vi ska g=E5 vidare. Bet=E4nk informationsbehovet, men detta =E4r n=E5got som den nye registratorn "drabbas" av och d=E4rf=F6r l=E4mnar jag till den personen att besluta hur hon/han vill hantera sina arbetsuppgifter (vilket jag tror att individen ifr=E5ga kommer att vara utm=E4rkt kompetent till). Jag har, och ska =E5nyo, l=E4sa allt som sagts h=E4r p=E5 "h=F6gen" m= ed stort intresse och hoppas ni har f=F6rst=E5else f=F6r mina =E5sikter. Tills sist tackar jag framf=F6rallt Ulf Mj=F6dtunga f=F6r visat intresse av =E4mbetet. Jag t=E4nker =E5terkomma till dig senare (anta= g- ligen inte idag, Ericsson tycker att jag ska jobba ibland) och hoppas att du fortfarande =E4r intresserad och inte k=E4nner dig nedslagen i skosulorna. Det var absolut inte menat att f=F6rsv=E5ra f=F6r andra att ta =E4mbete utan f=F6r att underl=E4tta f=F6r de bliv= ande medlemmarna och jag hoppas du har f=F6rst=E5else f=F6r detta. Sj=E4lv= - klart finns det en l=F6sning p=E5 det h=E4r problemet! Heloise From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 13:39:19 1994 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08835 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:39:18 +0100 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA10352 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:38:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:38:03 +0100 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199410311238.AA10352@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Registrators adress Status: RO Att fa ut information till medlemmar, och speciellt nya sadana, ar val ett jobb for drotsarna och framforallt chatelainerna i lokalgrupperna. Se till att de far information om andringar av adresser och liknande, och uppmana dem att sprida denna info! Nar det nu finns ett chatelaine-ambete vore det val dumt att inte utnyttja det? Frithiof, kastellan i Aros From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 18:22:51 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from teena.ludd.luth.se (teena.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.30]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA10534 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:22:50 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by teena.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA08658 for nordmark@ludd; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:22:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199410311722.SAA08658@teena.ludd.luth.se> Subject: registrator osv To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:22:47 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 669 Status: RO Salve allihopsens, Ulf h{r. Heloise skrev: >Sj{lvklart finns det en l|sning p} det h{r problemet! Det l}ter trevligt! /Ulf, intresserad - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PS. Jag vill inte rekommendera n}gon att vara nedtryckt i mina skosulor :) S} jag h}ller mig d{rifr}n. DS From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 19:18:35 1994 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from teena.ludd.luth.se (teena.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.30]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA10682 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:18:34 +0100 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by teena.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA08734 for nordmark@ludd; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:18:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199410311818.TAA08734@teena.ludd.luth.se> Subject: ALU {r livet, JAJAMEN To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:18:31 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 738 Status: RO Salve allihopsens...jag m}ste bara ber{tta en glad nyhet... Norrbottens Museum ska ha en utst{llning om Vikingen runt \stersj|n och jag har f}tt en ALU-grejs-plats d{r. Jag ska vara guide, viking, attraktion m.m. Och dessutom f} vara med och bygga upp den. YESSS!!!!! /Ulf, avundsv{rd. :) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ulf Mj|dtunga(Mjoedtunga, Meadtongue) *Canton of Frostheim *(where frogs live NOT) Vert, per pale a crescent inverted *Barony of Nordmark and a Thor's hammer argent. *Kingdom of Drachenwald bubba@ludd.luth.se -=- U.J|rgen \hman -=- U.Joergen Oehman(NHL-Spelling) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RAJRAJRAJRAJRAJRAJ!!!!! From nordmark-request Mon Oct 31 19:43:08 1994 Return-Path: sirjon@sns.com Received: from jack.sns.com (jack.sns.com [199.35.183.1]) by urgoriyf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA10778 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:42:31 +0100 Received: by jack.sns.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0r21gU-000Q2cC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:42 PST To: north@bransle.ucs.mun.ca, antir@kwantlen.bc.ca Cc: calontir@unl.edu.nordmark@ludd.luth.se.northshield@stolaf.edu Subject: ikac standings 10/28 From: John, R., Edgerton Comments: Validated 10-30-1993 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:39:21 PST Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA 94539-6669 Status: RO The following may be crossposted or published in any SCA newsletter. Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, keeper of the iKAC and IKCAC *************************** INTERKINGDOM ARCHERY COMPETITIONS The current standings in the IKAC Open division as of Oct.28 are: 1) EAST- 304.6. Dwane Shinnock- 308, Li Kung Lo- 303, Urho of the Pines- 303. 2) MIDDLE- 291.6. Ld. Geraint Graeme de Mentieth- 307, Ld. Arinwald Rotstein- 302, Ian Gourdon of Glen Awe- 266. 3) ANTIR- 273. Andrus Truemark- 334, Julian Edward Farnsworth- 267, Arianne of Falconmoors- 218. 4) ATLANTIA- 247.3. Reynard of Lochmere- 266, Galen Woodwalker- 243, Jonathan Der Adler- 233. 5) CAID-241.6. Paganus Grimlove- 272, Rock of Wintermist-236, Lady Karhryn of Wolfglen- 217. 6) WEST- 238 . Joseph de la Tour- 264, Abner de Plunket- 239, Martin Whistler- 223. 7) ATENVELT- 218.3. Salvatore de Napoli- 239, Ld. Blackarow- 214, Jean Paul DuPonte- 202. 8) OUTLANDS_ 215.6. Tracker of Oak Hollow- 236, Peregrine Elric of Courtenay- 212, Yanthlos- 199. 9) ANSTEORRA- 195.3. Don Sebastian Frobishire- 223, Wayne of the Heights- 183, Sear McTyre- 180. 10) CALONTIR- 193.3. Lynette Davejean- 210, Ormar Traherne- 192, Shane Padraig OÕBrellachain- 178. 11) TRIMARIS- 159. Michael of Alwington- 174, Hon. Ld. Duncan Angus- 163, Donnal-140. 12) MERIDIES- 149.6. Eckhart von Eschenbach- 187, Fergus OÕSiadhail- 165, Eochar DÕAlain- 97. The East with its score 0f 304.6 is the first kingdom to break 300. In the Traditional Longbow division the standings are: 1) MIDDLE- 254. Ld. Arinwald Rotstein- 292, Ld. Geraint Graeme de Mentieth- 268, Arwenna of Kelsley- 202. 2) EAST- 243. Emrys- 250, Kikuchi Tsuri Naga-248, Kendrick of the Saxonshore- 231. 3) ANTIR- 242.3. Julian Edward Farnsworth- 261, Lawrence the Humble-244, Giovanni DellÕArco- 222. 4) CAID- 214. Rock of Wintermist- 245, Ld Robert of Watford- 204, Thomas Blackkeep- 193. 5) WEST- 177.3. Dietrick von dem Weinbergin- 203, Kendrick of Drakestone- 167, Etienne Michel du Calais- 162. 6) ANSTEORRA-167.6. Master Leon Donne- 184, Don Sebastian Frobshire- 165, Michael of Tweedale- 154. 7) MERIDIES- 163.6. Michael of Tweedale-173, Echart von Excenbach- 171, Gwalchnai Blackhawk- 147. 8) OUTLANDS- 137.6. Enrique- 153, Rhys Afalwin- 140, Peregrine- 120. 9) TRIMARIS- 119.6. Ld. Kenneth Rorin Hawkswood- 127, Michael of Alwington- 119, Brenna Jeraber- 113. 10) ATLANTIA-111.6. Aelfgar Greyseas- 123, Publius Genericus Scotius- 115, Ld. Robert the Forgotten-97. CALONTIR- 112.3. Leif of Crescent Moon- 200, Hugh Prescott-88, Margrethe of Helsinore- 49. In the Crossbow division the standings are: 1) EAST- 313.3. Ailean Mac an Danoch- 329, Dwane Shinnock- 327, Kai MacLain- 284. 2) MIDDLE- 276. Ld. Fritz Bare- 300, Ld. Richard dubh MacCrimmon- 266, Cionaod- 262. 3) WEST-233.6. Martin Whistler- 246, Hans von Wolfholz- 239, Francis Goodfellow- 216. 4) CAID- 218. Benjamin Bernardson- 235, Njall Olaf Hagerson-222, Phillippe Lyon de Marseilles- 197. 5) ATENVELT- 185.6. Hazzo ben Boyer- 195, Ld. Owen ?- 183, Ld. Damion ?-179. 6) ANSTEORRA- 160.3. James ap Benyl- 179, Roger Bagley- 152, Stefan von Drachenfels- 150. 7) OUTLANDS- 143. Mavelick- 176, Thorfinn Greybeard- 150, Master Daffyd of Emmett- 103. 8) TRIMARIS- 101.6. Adan Calentaur- 131, Edward Colbert- 109, Geoffrey Cordwainer- 65. In the Interkingdom Combat Archery Competition the scores are: 1) MIDDLE- 266.6. Ld. Arinwald Rotstein- 289, Ld. Grant Graeme di Mentieth-289, Duncan MacLeod ofDvirinish- 250. 2) MERIDIES- 241.3. Ld. Robert do Pergraine- 275, Ld.Kendorf LÕOterel- 239, Lady Yasmin Al Yashin- 210. 3) WEST- 220. Joseph de la Tour- 244, Martin Whistler- 215, Diethich von dem Weinbergin- 201. 4) ANSTEORRA- 173.3. Padraic of Kilkenny- 184, Talon of Blackoak- 177, Theodric Afhaims- 159. 5) ANTIR- 173. Ld. Julian Edward Farnsworth- 189, Erik McLost- 180, Alisdair McEwan- 150. 6) ATLANTIA- 74.3. Staphan OÕReilly- 81, Ld. Robert the Forgotten- 75, Richard Markman- 67. 7) ATENVELT- 27.6. Ld. Hazzo Binaimo Bowyer- 33, Ld. Chris- 31, Ld. Sean- 19. Sixth and seventh place scores shot with golftubes. In the IKCAC Crossbow division the top three archers are: Roger Bagley (Ansteorra)- 171, Stefan von Drachenfels (Ansteorra)- 145, Robert Breithewaite (Ansteorra)- 52. New Period division: Copies of next years Period division draft rules are available. Send a 29 cent S.A.S.E. (legal size) for a copy. I want input on these draft rules, please let me know your opinions. For copies of the IKAC or IKCAC rules contact your kingdom archery officer. Or send a S.A.S.E.(legal size) with 29 cents postage for the IKAC rules or 54 cents for both, to the Keeper of the IKAC and IKCAC: Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf. c/o John R. Edgerton, 7662 Wells Ave, Newark, CA, 94560-3530. (510) 791-9070. Email: Internet, sirjon@sns.com ************************ To the Chronicler: Please print at least the full scores for your kingdom and the totals for all the other kingdoms. Also please print the last two paragraphs in full as well. Thank you Jon ---- sirjon@sns.com (John, R., Edgerton) Systems'n'Software (510)623-8656 FAX (510)623-8652 DATA