From nordmark-request Tue Aug 1 13:07:09 1995 Return-Path: anna@magrathea.astro.lu.se Received: from magrathea.astro.lu.se (magrathea.astro.lu.se [130.235.203.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA07389 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:06:52 +0200 Received: (from anna@localhost) by magrathea.astro.lu.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA00072 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:49:13 +0100 From: Anna Jonasson Message-Id: <199508011049.LAA00072@magrathea.astro.lu.se> Subject: Apropa} Morgan-Sparren To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (nml) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:49:11 +0100 (GMT+0100) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 768 Status: RO Reaktionen paa naest senaste Sparren var fraan maanga att bara ena sidan fick komma till tals. Hur aer det daa med Morgan-Sparren? Hur maange fraan den saa kallade utbrytare gruppen tycker att dom faatt chansen att skriva i Morgan- Sparren? Vem fick reda paa att den skulla komma? Vem visste deadline? Dessutom angaaende sidan 4, "Vad haender med SCA/Nordmark nu?". Saa foer- enklar Morgan hur det verkligen aer att bli en officiell SCA grupp... Vi i Torsheim har "bara" ansoekt om att bli officiella sodaer fyra eller fem gaanger, och alltid har ansoekan foersvunnit etc. Vi har inte faatt ett vettigt svar paa saadaer aatta aars tid... Aer det saa konstigt att vaar grupp aer "lack" paa Inc? Ylva Ingvarsdotter Enhoerning PS. Och vapen och namnansoekningar... Ha! From nordmark-request Tue Aug 1 14:44:12 1995 Return-Path: mjl@Rational.COM Received: from rational.com (rational.com [130.213.1.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA08339 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:44:10 +0200 Received: from igor.Rational.COM (igor.rational.com [89.64.2.102]) by rational.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA12290 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:46:12 -0700 Received: from hawk.rational.com by igor.Rational.COM (4.1/smh-1.0) id AA20708; Tue, 1 Aug 95 05:44:06 PDT Received: from mars.rational.com (mars_output [89.64.34.5]) by hawk.rational.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA12743 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:44:02 -0700 From: Matthew Larsen Received: (from mjl@localhost) by mars.rational.com (8.6.9/) id FAA10712 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:44:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:44:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199508011244.FAA10712@mars.rational.com> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Pravda Status: RO William writes: >I am angry because people are lying. I am angry because some >want Nordmark to be a dictatorship where we are expected to >obey powermongers who refuse to listen to us. I am angry because >I see people degrade the peerage which I once believed stood for >honesty and forthrightness. This is not a matter of different opinions, >but of truth and honesty. I assure you William, that I believe everything that I write to be true and honest. I'm even willing to believe that you feel the same way about everything you write. How can we have such different ideas of what is the truth, then? Perhaps neither of us knows everthing the other does, or when we both have seen or heard the same thing we put a different weight on it, or remember it in a different way. That is, we have different _opinions_ about what people said or did, and what they meant when they did it. Until you and your side recognize that our opinion is as valid as yours, I don't see any chance for compromise. If you insist on an absolutist view, where those who don't agree with you are lying dictators, this split will only get worse. I'm still waiting for a reply to my note a week or so ago talking about compromises. I'm willing to listen to any ideas you have, or any discussion of points that we may agree on. I'm not sure we can come to a true agreement, but I'm willing to try. Are you? Geoffrey Mathias mjl@rational.com From nordmark-request Wed Aug 2 09:03:48 1995 Return-Path: rh@vas.prevas.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA17523 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:03:48 +0200 From: rh@vas.prevas.se Received: by mn3.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/2.01) id JAA00570; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:01:52 +0200 Message-ID: <199508020701.JAA00570@mn3.swip.net> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 9:01:34 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Juli numrets krOnikOr... X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0395M Status: RO Hej hopp allihopa, jag tänkte skriva en rad och förklara om Silversparren, juli numret. Jag som drots har till uppgift att se till att Silversparrar kommer ut till de som har betalat pengar för den. Silversparren är SKA-Nordmarks medlemstidning vilken även är SCA-baroniet Nordmarks tidning som distribueras till de som betalat 135:- till SKA-Nordmarks postgirokonto. När Magnus avgick som krönikör så blev jag tvungen att hitta någon som kunde producera nästa nummer. Morgan var den ende som var villig att göra detta av de jag pratade med. Det var ont om tid !! Vad jag kommer ihåg så har väl aldrig någon annan än drotsen fattat något beslut om ny krönikör när det behövts tidigare. Då detta dessutom bara var för en kort period så tyckte jag inte att jag överskred några befogenheter när jag utsåg Morgan till detta. För övrigt tycker jag att sparren blev bra. Nu har vi en krönikör som det hinns annonseras lite för innan första numret hon gör kommer ut. Tja det var välan allt. Sven From nordmark-request Thu Aug 3 13:08:36 1995 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA01915 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:08:34 +0200 Received: from unauthenticated@mail.swip.net by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA02286; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:16:06 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id IAA08465; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:20:46 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: klara, f{rdiga... Date: 03 Aug 1995 07:28:29 GMT Message-Id: <2806763421.50564466@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Status: RO Hej allihop! Jag vill bara meddela att Sparren {r klar och jag far till Wisby nu. Ingen kommer att vakta den h{r brevl}dan p} ett tag och tidningen }ker till tryckeriet. V{lkomna i nr 119! Tora From nordmark-request Thu Aug 3 14:01:43 1995 Return-Path: fredrik.kurtson@allgon.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA03526 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:01:42 +0200 From: fredrik.kurtson@allgon.se Received: by mn3.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/2.01) id NAA14144; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:59:27 +0200 Message-ID: <199508031159.NAA14144@mn3.swip.net> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:57:13 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Guldsparren - En klass battre X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0469M Status: RO Medeltidsföreningen Agaria har haft en liten skrift som heter Runskriften. Den har gett oss lite blodad tand och vi har nu tänkt oss att gå vidare och kommer att ge ut "Guldsparren - En klass bättre" i fortsättningen. Den är tänkt att komma ut med 4 nummer per år för en ganska ringa summa, ca 40 kronor för ett år. Den kommer att vara hyfsat oberoende, men inte lägga så mycket vikt vid debatten som varit (och säkert kommer fortsätta att vara) utan vara ett organ för medeltidsintresserade, främst då inom Agaria, men även för de olika formerna av Nordmark och övriga föreningar. Material, annonser m.m. till Guldsparren - En klass bättre, skickas till. Guldsparren c/o Fredrik Kurtson Skolvägen 16 B 184 30 ÅKERSBERGA Går även bra att skicka till min email adress, skall se om jag kan få fram en fax senare. /Archie From nordmark-request Thu Aug 3 21:08:11 1995 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:rcole@informix.com> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA01795 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:08:10 +0200 Received: from unauthenticated@gateway.informix.com by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA15952; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:52:14 +0200 Received: from informix.com (infmx.informix.com) by gateway.informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22932; Thu, 3 Aug 95 06:50:12 PDT Received: from atlas (atlas.informix.com) by informix.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19435; Thu, 3 Aug 95 06:48:42 PDT Received: by atlas (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA29257; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:50:08 -0500 From: Rusty Cole Posted-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 8:50:07 CDT Received-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:50:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9508031350.AA29257@atlas> Subject: Wisby wishes To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (nordmark) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 8:50:07 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Greetings all, I hope you all have a great time at Wisby this year! At the last minute I looked into prices of tickets and it was really tempting, but alas I can't do it. :( My boss would scream if I told her that I was leaving for a week :) Have fun and someone drink a beer for me! Take care, Hrolf Rustig aka Rusty From nordmark-request Sat Aug 5 02:03:15 1995 Return-Path: macanus@lysator.liu.se Received: from konrad.lysator.liu.se (lysnet-gw.lysator.liu.se [130.236.253.6]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA17562 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:03:14 +0200 Received: from saerimner (saerimner.rydnet.lysator.liu.se [192.165.122.218]) by konrad.lysator.liu.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id CAA27208 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:03:06 +0200 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:03:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199508050003.CAA27208@konrad.lysator.liu.se> X-Sender: macanus@pop.lysator.liu.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: macanus@lysator.liu.se (Magnus Lindskog) Subject: Från Roland Status: RO Efter en tids fr=E5nvaro har jag idag =E5ter anslutit mig till n=E4tet och= laddat ner hela 362 email, av vilka 361 varit fr=E5n NML. Efter att ha l=E4st= merparten har jag funnit det f=F6r gott att skriva n=E5gra rader. Till att b=F6rja med vill jag klarg=F6ra "uppgr=E4vd, skjuten och sk=E4ndad"= - aff=E4ren. I samband med att Silversparren nummer 116 n=E5dde Er avgick jag= fr=E5n mitt =E4mbete som kr=F6nik=F6r f=F6r Baroniet Nordmark. Detta meddelade jag Nordmarks folk via mitt inl=E4gg i Silversparren. Jag meddelade =E4ven mina= tv=E5 n=E4rmaste =F6verordnade, dvs Nordmarks drots, Sven Gunnarsson och= Drachenwalds d=E5varande kr=F6nik=F6r, Talitha von K=F6pke, i ett telefax respektive ett= brev. Efter detta har jag f=E5tt ett brev fr=E5n Drachenwalds nuvarande kr=F6nik= =F6r, Majella O Sirideain of Killashee, daterat 26 Juli 1995, d=E4r jag informeras om att jag blivit avsatt. Detta ser jag inte som att en vilja att sk=E4nda, utan snarare som att en kommunikationsmiss vid kr=F6nik=F6rsbytet i= Drachenwald, ligger bakom. Nu till Silversparren och dess framtid. I Silversparren nummer 116 skrev jag att "Detta =E4r det sista numret av Silversparren som officiellt nyhetsblad f=F6r SCA-Baroniet Nordmark..." Detta var ett f=F6rhastat uttalande fr=E5n= min sida. Det =E4r Nordmarks folk som avg=F6r Silversparrens =F6de, inte= enskilda personer. Det jag skrev i Silversparren nr 116 =E4r att betrakta som mina= egna =F6nskningar, inget annat. Detta leder mig in p=E5 n=E4sta omr=E5de, n=E4mligen "neutrala" kr=F6nik=F6r= er. I ett antal inl=E4gg i den senaste brevsk=F6rdem har jag kunnat l=E4sa om detta= begrepp. Bland annat har fru Tora skrivit n=E5gra rader, d=E4r jag anar en= insinuation om att jag inte sk=F6tt =E4mbetet korrekt pga min st=E4llning i fr=E5gan om= Nordmarks framtid.=20 Att jag till fullo st=F6der "Det Sanna Nordmark" =E4r ingen hemlighet, jag= har dock inte utnyttjat Silversparren f=F6r att propagera f=F6r "DSN". I de= nummer jag producerat har alla "politiska" inl=E4gg publicerats. Ingen kan, utan= att ljuga, p=E5st=E5 att deras inl=E4gg stoppats av mig. Jag har inte varit en neutral kr=F6nik=F6r. Att tala om neutralitet =E4r= rent bef=E4ngt, ingen =E4r fri fr=E5n =E5sikter. Mitt st=E4llningstagande bottnar= i en =F6nskan om Nordmarks v=E4l. Jag har vid Ting, via ombud, fr=E5gat Nordmarks= folk om Silversparren skall vara ett =F6ppet forum f=F6r alla. Svaret blev "ja". D=E4rf=F6r har jag l=E5tit alla som s=E5 =F6nskat komma till tals i= Silversparren. Har jag verkligen felat d=E5 jag gjort det Nordmarks folk =F6nskat? -Roland von Boitzenburg. ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~ Magnus Lindskog =20 Alsattersgatan 13 A 34 =20 S-582 51 Linkoping =20 Sweden =20 Phone:+46 - 13 - 26 07 02 =20 Email: macanus@lysator.liu.se ~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~ From nordmark-request Tue Aug 8 01:45:43 1995 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id BAA08099 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 01:45:42 +0200 From: vader@csd.uu.se Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id BAA25307; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 01:45:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 01:45:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199508072345.BAA25307@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Inga reformer Status: RO Jag tror inte p} att verkliga reformer kommer att genomf|ras inom SCA inom den f|rutsebara framtiden. Det finns flera sk{l till detta. Ett {r att BoD och dess korporation inte kommer att f|rsvinna. Det {r l{tt att skapa administrativa enheter men mycket sv}rt att uppl|sa dem. M{nniskor {lskar makt, och n{r de v{l har f}tt den -- eller om det finns en organisation som kan ge den till dem -- s} blir den organisationen snabbt ett sj{lv{ndam}l. Blotta tanken att uppl|sa den {r ot{nkbar, naturligtvis skulle det genast leda till kaos! Ingen minns l{ngre att man klarade sig utm{rkt innan maktorganisationen fanns... D{rf|r forts{tter maktapparater att finnas {ven n{r de inte beh|vs -- de mundana exemplen p} detta kan m}ngfaldigas. Ingen styrelse uppl|ser sig sj{lv om den inte blir absolut tvingad till det. Man kunde d} t{nka sig att vi skulle kunna f} reformer i SCA genom att se till att reformister tar plats i BoD. Men det kommer inte att h{nda, d{rf|r att BoD inte v{ljs av folket utan av dem som redan {r med i BoD. De kommer knappast att utse n}gon som {r alltf|r "farlig" -- vilket visas bl.a. av att de f|rs|kt rensa ut alltf|r aktiva reformister t.o.m. ur Grand Council. F|rutom detta kan jag bara t{nka mig ett annat s{tt att f} till st}nd reformer, n{mligen att |vertyga folk om att sluta ge BoD pengar. Detta kommer inte heller att h{nda eftersom de flesta SCA-medlemmar som |nskar reformer fortfarande tror att de kan f} dem genom att sitta vackert och be BoD om dem. Att sluta ge pengar till BoD framst{lls dessutom som "att g} ur SCA" vilket ju inte l}ter s{rskilt positivt om man vill vara med i SCA... Det {r m{rkligt hur villiga m{nniskor {r att faktiskt acceptera och lyda auktoriteter, trots att de s} g{rna tar avst}nd fr}n dem och ryar om frihet och oberoende. H{r i Sverige, till exempel, har vi varit protestanter i 400 }r. [nd} l{r man fortfarande ut i svenska skolor att det bara finns ett svenskt helgon, heliga Birgitta. Trots att det finns ca 60 svenskar som v|rdats som helgon under medeltiden, och minst en svensk som {r officiellt helgonf|rklarad i den ortodoxa kyrkan. Trots 400 }r av luthersk l{ra tar vi fortfarande f|r givet att p}ven har ensamr{tt p} helgonf|rklaringar. Det finns en sorts magi i detta med makt: n{r man v{l har lyckats inbilla folk att man har r{tt att best{mma, blir det snabbt en sanning som f} m{nniskor ens kommer p} tanken att ifr}gas{tta. Att bli av med en makt kan bara ske p} ett s{tt: genom att det kommer en annan makt som erbjuder ett trov{rdigt alternativ. T{nk p} hur det gick till n{r kungahus och h{rskarfamiljer kom till. En dag rider en riddare in i bondbyn och s{ger till b|nderna att de m}ste betala skatt till honom d{rf|r att han {r deras herre. Han lovar i utbyte att skydda dem, och skatten {r l}g. St{llda i valet mellan att antingen sl}ss mot en v{pnad riddare eller betala en modest summa f|r beskydd, g}r b|nderna med p} aff{ren. Innan de vet ordet av har riddaren anv{nt pengarna till att hyra flera andra riddare som st|der honom. Man uppf|r ett slott med f{ngelseh}lor f|r dem som inte betalar skatten. Nu {r skatten inte l}g l{ngre, den {r h|g. "Beskyddet" visar sig vara luft. Vad h{nder nu om riddaren }ngrar sig och s{ger till b|nderna "F|rl}t att jag varit en feodal utsugare. Jag ska sluta med det och ni f}r er frihet tillbaka." Jag sl}r vad om att tv} dagar efter detta kommer en annan riddare att ta |ver hans plats. Maktvakuum fylls alltid, genast. Vill man undvika att bli f|rtryckt, m}ste man sj{lv fylla alla s}dana vakuum, snabbt och med kraft. BoD och dess korporation skapades d{rf|r att det fanns ett maktvakuum i SCA. Man kunde |vertyga folk om att de beh|vde en styrelse och eftersom skatten var frivillig var det ingen som misst{nkte att det kunde vara farligt att ge BoD makt. Poff! Ut fl|g friheten, in kom centralism och |verhet. Att BoD lyckas beh}lla sin on|diga och of|rtj{nta makt trots en ofta bevisad inkompetens och arrogans, beror delvis p} den ovann{mnda "makt-magin", dels p} deras n{tverk av kronf|rsedda f.d. regenter som {r _s}}_ glada |ver att de har f}tt bli med i "den inre kretsen", och slutligen p} det som ytterst {r alla diktaturers starkaste kort: br|d och sk}despel. S} l{nge folk har kul p} evenemangen sitter BoD s{kert, vilka or{ttvisor de {n beg}r och hur illa de {n f|rvaltar s{llskapets pengar. Nej, jag tror inte p} reformer. Grand Council {r bara en utvald skara som f}tt n}digt tillst}nd att prata varmluft. Det finns bara ett s{tt att reformera SCA, och det {r att g} ur SCA, dvs sluta ge BoD pengar. Det {r frivilligt att betala -- allts} g|r man det inte. Man leker medeltid p} en annan g}rd. Verkligheten finns ute i lokalgrupperna och vid evenemangen, inte i medlemskorten eller Corpora eller kronorna och medaljongerna. Det {r l{tt att ta makten fr}n en diktator som inte har n}gra soldater att skicka ut f|r att skjuta upproriska unders}tar. Allt som kr{vs {r en best{md och okuvlig vilja att g|ra det, och tillr{cklig integritet f|r att inte l}ta sig k|pas med ordnar och annat krimskrams. Innan man kommer s} l}ngt m}ste man dock _inse_ att SCA, Inc. definitivt inte {r detsamma som SCA. William de Corbie From nordmark-request Thu Aug 10 05:42:43 1995 Return-Path: sirjon@netcom.com Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA00649 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 05:42:41 +0200 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA11521; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:50:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John Edgerton Subject: archery suppliers list To: kingdom mailing lists , archery@mav.com, atlantia-l@netcom.com, calontir@unl.edu, carolinga@bloom-beacon.mit.edu, jaymin@maths.ted.ie, meridies@his.uab.edu, Nordmark@ludd.luth.se, north@bransle.ucs.mum.ca, Northshield@stolaf.edu, outlands@alcor.unm.edu, sca-caid@ecst.csuchico.edu, sca-crosston@netcom.com, sca-east@world.std.com, sca-lochac@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, sca-middle@dnaco.net, sca-west@ecst.csuchico.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO The current update of the Archery Suppliers List is complete. It contains over 180 suppliers of traditional archery equipment. It lists: Suppliers of arrows finished and raw shafts. Billets and staves for construction of your own bow. Finished bows. Books and videos on equipment construction. A list of SCA bowyers and fletchers. And a list of supliers of materials for the construction of horn and sinew bows. If you would like a copy please email me with, Suppliers list as the subject. If you have any information regarding archery that you feel would be of interest to other archers in the Society, email it to me and I will send it out to the list. If any of you will be at Pennsic, I would like to know how the archery events went. If you would like to do a write up on them I will also repost it on the list, if you wish. Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, Keeper of the IKAC and IKCAC John R. Edgerton Newark, Calif Esfenn, Mists, West sirjon@netcom.com From nordmark-request Thu Aug 10 21:20:55 1995 Return-Path: eandersson@nn.apc.org Received: from nn.apc.org (nn.nn.apc.org [194.52.39.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id VAA03305 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 21:20:53 +0200 From: eandersson@nn.apc.org Received: from localhost (eandersson@localhost) by nn.apc.org (8.6.5/Revision: 1.180 ) id VAA15381 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 21:24:42 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 21:24:42 GMT Message-Id: <199508102124.VAA15381@nn.apc.org> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: subscribe Status: RO subscribe nordmark mailinglist From nordmark-request Mon Aug 14 14:12:54 1995 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA08424 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:12:53 +0200 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA16631 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:05:27 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:05:27 +0200 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199508141205.AA16631@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Vad nytt? Status: RO S}}, vad h{nde i Visby? Frithiof, tillbaks efter semestern. From nordmark-request Mon Aug 14 16:51:31 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA10087 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:51:29 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0si0qp-0005OkC; Mon, 14 Aug 95 16:50 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0shstq-0008QbC; Mon, 14 Aug 95 16:51 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Vad som h{nde i Visby To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 16:51:23 +1030 (???) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1552 Status: RO En ny förening bildades, som skall verka som en riksorganisation för lokala självstyrande föreningar. Riksorganisationen, som för närvarande kallas Konungariket Nordmark, är en förening helt oberoende av SCA, Inc. men vars avsikt är att erbjuda dess medlemmar en verksamhet som påminner om SCA:s. Konungariket styrs av dess riksdag, där alla medlemmar har rösträtt. Dess ceremoniella överhuvuden är Konungen och Drottningen, som saknar reell makt. Till Konungarikets blivande kungapar, tills vidare kallade Arvfurste och Arvfurstinna, valdes Ragnvald och Agnis. Konungarikets Riksdrots är Eric Ålstene. För närvarande saknar föreningen stadgar, varför allt som sagts ovan kan komma att förändras vid den riksdag som skall hållas den 18 november detta år. Då skall stadgar antagas och ämbetsposter tillsättas, eftersom alla nu utsedda ämbetsmän sitter fram till riksdagen. Vidare presenterades ett alternativ till konungariket av H.M. Konungen av Drachenwald Sir Michael de Lacy. Detta alternativ går ut på att Konungariket Nordmark omvandlas till ett Furstendöme inom Drachenwald, men med de två förbehållen att Tinget har absolut vetorätt på alla SCA:s lagar, inkl. Drachenwalds, samt att vi har rätt at själva bestämma hur våra krönta huvuden skall tillsättas. Om BoD bifaller detta, skall riksdagen ta ställning till H.M.:s alternativ. Om BoD avslår, kröns Konungarikets Arvfurstepar. För att ge H.M. Sir De Lacy ett underlag att presentera för BoD, skall en folkomröstning genomföras, så snart BoD meddelar sin inställning. /Tidrik From nordmark-request Mon Aug 14 20:25:44 1995 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA12855 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:25:43 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA12696 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:25:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:25:35 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Sender: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Reply-To: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Re: Vad som h{nde i Visby Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO On Mon, 14 Aug 1995, Peter Forsberg wrote: > Vidare presenterades ett alternativ till konungariket av H.M. Konungen av > Drachenwald Sir Michael de Lacy. Detta alternativ ger ut pe att Konungariket > Nordmark omvandlas till ett Furstendvme inom Drachenwald, men med de tve > fvrbehellen att Tinget har absolut vetordtt pe alla SCA:s lagar, inkl. > Drachenwalds, samt att vi har rdtt at sjdlva bestdmma hur vera krvnta > huvuden skall tillsdttas. Som jag f|rstod Kungens presentation {r det inte det (nya) "Konungariket Nordmark" som skulle bli ett SCA-furstend|mme, utan Baroniet Nordmark, med den lag vi vill ha. D{rtill: Under Erik ]lstenes avskedshov l|ste han medlemmarna av alla ordnar fr}n deras trohetsed till honom. Under avtackandet av folk som s}som individer tj{nat Nordmark br|t han vid tv} tillf{llen loss delar av baronkronan och gav som minnessaker. Senare f|rklarade han att d} kronorna kommit till honom och Kira dels via kungamakten och dels via folket {mnade han }terl{mna dessa till s}v{l Kungen som Folket, varefter han gav Kungen den s|ndriga kronan och "Konungariket Nordmark" den hela. /UlfR Ketilson och Brianag Nic an Aba Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud Oh, *practice*. I don't mind Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se *practising*. So long as we Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 (home) don't have to do it for real. usps://Sweden/18331/Taby/Nasbydalsvagen.8/Par.Leijonhufvud From nordmark-request Tue Aug 15 09:27:02 1995 Return-Path: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Received: from bronze.lcs.mit.edu (bronze.lcs.mit.edu [18.30.0.254]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA19537 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:27:01 +0200 Received: by bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Sendmail 8.6.10/950531.CACTUS) id DAA29842; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 03:26:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 03:26:04 -0400 From: greg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Message-Id: <199508150726.DAA29842@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Subscription Information Status: RO Greetings from Hossein! I have a friend who would like to subscribe to the Nordmark list, but it has been sufficiently long ago that I subscribed that I no longer recall the subscription address (as opposed to the posting address). Could someone help me out with this? Hossein/Greg From nordmark-request Wed Aug 16 00:48:23 1995 Return-Path: eilis@haas.berkeley.edu Received: from haas.berkeley.edu (haas.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.66.85]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA27928 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 00:48:20 +0200 Received: by haas.berkeley.edu (5.65/Haas-1.34) id AA10183; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 15:48:06 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 14:46:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Lee Forgue" Sender: eilis@haas.berkeley.edu Message-Id: <53202.eilis@haas.berkeley.edu> To: jaymin@maths.tcd.ie, nordmark@ludd.luth.se, sca@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: DML/Nordmark: Board Letter to Nordmark Status: RO The following letter was sent to every SCA Inc. member in Nordmark. It was sent in English -- the English version follows the Swedish translation, which was done by Earl Morgan de Grey. We are now posting it on the Nordmark and Drachenwald lists and on the Rialto so that more people will have an opportunity to see it. We are sincere when we say that we would like commentary -- and we are especially anxious to hear from people who were at the recent meetings at Visby. In service -- --- eilis o'boirne, Ombudsman for Drachenwald ************************ Swedish Translation ******************************* 27 Juli xxx (1995) Till Nordmarks Folk fraan Hertig John Bearkiller (John Fulton, Ordfoerande och President, SCA Inc.) och Mistress Eilis O'Boirne (Lee Forgue, Styrelseledamot, SCA Inc och Ombudsman foer Drachenwald). Var haelsade: Vi skriver till er paa uppdrag av hela Styrelsen foer SCA Inc. Det som nyligen intraeffat i Nordmark har gjort oss mycket sorgsna och bekymmrade infoer vilken som aer den baesta vaegen in i framtiden. Baroniet Nordmark aer en vaerdefull del av vaar internationella samhoerighet. Att ha foergreningar paa platser som Drachenwald och Lochac ger oss variationsrikedom och berikar hela vaar verksamhet paa maanga saett. Att foerlora aeven en del av en av dessa grenar fraan vaar Foerening aer en foerlust foer oss alla. Hans Majestaet av Drachenwald har kontaktat Styrelsen, genom F|reningens Drots, med en del av sina och era bekymmer och har bett om vissa foersaekringar. Vi har beslutat att, vad som aen haender under de naermaste maanaderna, saa kommer Drachenwald inte att aatergaa till Furstendoeme. Drachenwald kommer att tillaatas att foerbli Kungarike aeven om medlemsantalet skulle sjunka drastiskt. Styrelsen diskuterade detta under sitt Juli-moete och gaar i god foer detta gentemot Drachenwalds folk foer aatminstone tvaa aar framaat i tiden. Ni skall dock veta att vi hoppas att en saadan garanti inte skall behoevas (och, faktum aer, att medlemssiffrorna foer kungariket som helhet och foer Nordmark indikerar att garantin inte behoevs). Vi upplever att, aeven om en del av Nordmarks befolkning laemnar vaar Foerening, saa kommer det att finnas tillraeckligt med deltagande och tillvaext inom Foereningen foer att Drachenwald skall foertsaetta att vaexa. Styrelsen har ocksaa blivit medveten om att en del vaara internationella medlemmars intressen inte tillgodoses paa baesta moejliga saett. Till exempel, vi har faatt reda paa att maanga av vaara internationella medlemmar inte finner Tournaments Illuminated saerdeles anvaendbar. De skulle hellre foeredra att faa Dragon's Tale med sitt medlemskap istaellet. Styrelsen undersoeker moejligheten att laata Europeiska internationella medlemmar faa vaelja mellan antingen TI eller Dragon's Tale, men implementeringen av denna foeraendring kommer att ta lite tid. Det kommer att kraeva foeraendringar i de datorprogram som anvaends foer att generera etkietterna foer baade TI och Dragon's Tale. Vi vet att de foeraendrade medlemsavgifterna foer internationella medlemmar har varit ett bekymmer. Kostnade aer foer naervarande $25 US och vi ser ingen foeraendring daer inom den naermaste framtiden. Dock, eftersom medlemsavgiften aer delvis baserad paa saker som porto som aer utanfoer vaar kontroll, kan vi inte garantera att det inte blir naagra foeraendringar. Vad vi kan garantera aer att vi kommer att goera vaart baesta foer att haalla avgiften saa laag som moejligt naer en foeraendring maaste ske. Vi foerstaar att det har forekommit en del funderingar runt "waivers", och att aeven den nya "waivern" framtagen av "waiver"-gruppen inte moeter behoven hos vaara svenska medlemmar, eller vaara oevriga interntionella medlemmar. Foer cirka ett aar sedan, startades ett projekt foer att utveckla "waivers" som var landsspecifika. Detta projekt lades aat sidan paa maanga staellen daa andra saker har dykt upp istaellet, men det aer vaar oenskan att detta arbete aaterupptages snarast moejligt. Vi aer villiga att ge dem som arbetar med dessa projekt saa mycket assistans som vi kan. Styrelsen foerstaar att det finns mycket reella sociala och kulturella skillnader mellan vaara amerikanska och internationella medlemmar, och vi straevar efter att foerstaa dessa skillnader. Dock, vaara internationella medlemmar maaste vara villiga att arbeta med oss, och ta sig tid att foerklara dessa skillnader. De legala aspekterna i varje enskilt land kommer ocksaa att tagas haensyn till. Tillraettalaegganden kan goeras som tillaater oss alla att deltaga och ger utrymme foer variationer. Men detta tar tid, och foerutsaetter att alla inblandade angriper varje problem med goda intentioner, oeppna sinnen, och oeppen kommunikation. Ett av vaara stoersta problem i hanteringen av de kulturella skillnaderna mellan USA och europa aer kommunikationen. Paa grund av de avstaand som foereligger, blir ansikte mot ansikte kommunikation naermast omoejligt. Aeven telefonsamtal kostar en del pengar. Skillnaderna i olika spraak goer kommunikationen aennu svaarare. Naer allting maaste goeras via post eller via elektronisk vaeg, aer det laett att intentioner foersvinner. Men klar kommunikation aer vaesentligt foer Styrelsen. Vi behoever en saa komplett bild som moejligt om vad som haender innan Styrelsen kan agera. Vi kommer daerfoer till vad vi sill be folket i Nordmark om. Snaella ni skriv till oss, eller skicka e-mail, och laat oss faa reda paa era bekymmer. Trots att vi inte kan svenska, kan vi arrangera att vi faar brev oeversatta. Det aer vaeldigt viktigt foer oss att faa kontakt med saa maanga personer som moejligt, och att vi goer vaart baesta foer allt folk i Nordmark, Drachenwald och F|reningen. Men vi kan omoejligt veta vad som aer baest foerraen vi vet vad ni behoever, aoch vi kan inte veta vad ni behoever foerraen ni talar om det foer oss. Snaella ni tag er tid att kontakta oss. I F|reningens tjaenst. Duke John Bearkiller Mistress Eilis O'Boirne John Fulton Lee Forgue Chairman and President, SCA Inc. Director and Ombudsman for Drachenwald address: 2494 Hollins Avenue address: 2322 Russell Street Memphis TN 38112 USA Berkeley CA 94705 USA home phone: (901) 452-9881 home phone: (510) 486-0633 e-mail: llutherfulto@msuvx1.memphis.edu/e-mail: eilis@haas.berkeley.edu PS : Om det hade funnist mer tid, saa hade det haer brevet varit oeversatt till svenska. Vi upplevde dock att det var viktigare att faa ut det till folk innan de for till Visby. Notera ocksaa att vi endast saender ett brev till varje adress. ************************* English Original ********************************* This letter was sent to all SCA members living in Sweden: 27 July xxx (1995) To the People of Nordmark from Duke John Bearkiller (John Fulton, Chairman and President, SCA Inc.) and Mistress Eilis O'Boirne (Lee Forgue, Director, SCA Inc. and Ombudsman for Drachenwald), Greetings: We write to you on behalf of the entire Board of Directors of the SCA Inc. Recent events in Nordmark have filled us with sadness, and with concern as to the best way to go forward for the future. The Barony of Nordmark is a valued part of our international community. Having branches in places like Drachenwald and Lochac adds a diversity that enriches and enlivens our whole organization in many ways. To have even a part of one of these branches separate from our Society is a great loss to us all. His Majesty of Drachenwald has contacted the Board, through the Society Seneschal, with some of his and your concerns and has asked for some assurances. We have agreed that, whatever happens in the next few months, Drachenwald will not revert to Principality status. Drachenwald will be allowed to drop in membership and remain a Kingdom if that is necessary. The Board discussed this at our July meeting and is making this commitment to the people of Drachenwald for at least the next two years. However, you should all know that we hope that such a guarantee will not be necessary (and, in fact, the membership figures for the Kingdom as a whole and for Nordmark indicate that the guarantee is not needed). We feel that, even if a portion of the population of Nordmark chooses to leave our Society, there will be sufficient participation and growth within the Society that Drachenwald will continue to grow. The Board has also been made aware that some of the needs of our international members are not being met in the best possible way. For instance, we have been told that many international members do not find Tournaments Illuminated very useful. They would prefer receiving Dragon's Tale with their membership instead. The Board is investigating the possibility of allowing European international members to choose either TI or Dragon's Tale, but implementation of this change will require some time. It will require modifications in the computer program used to generate the mailing labels for both TI and Dragon's Tale. We know that the changing membership fee for international members has been a cause for concern. The rate is now $25 US and we do not foresee a change to that rate in the near future. However, since the membership fee is based in part on matters such as postal rates that are not under our control, we cannot guarantee that there will be no change. What we can guarantee is that we will do our best to keep the fee as low as possible when a change is required. We understand that there has been some concern over the waivers, and that even the new waivers developed by the waiver committee do not meet the needs of our Swedish members, or of our other international members. About a year ago, a project was started to develop waivers which were country-specific. This project has been put aside in many places as other issues have come forward, but it is our wish that it be taken up again as soon as possible. We are willing to give those who are working on these waivers as much assistance as we can. The Board understands that there are very real social and cultural differences between our US members and our international members, and we are working to understand these differences. However, our international members must be willing to work with us, and to take the time to explain these differences. The legal realities in each country will be considered. Accommodations can be made which will allow us all to participate in ways that allow for diversity. But all of this takes time, and requires that all involved approach each problem with good will, open minds, and free communication. One of our biggest problems in dealing with the cultural differences between the United States and Europe is communication. Because of the distances involved, face to face communication is virtually impossible. Even telephone calls are costly. The difference in languages also adds to the difficulties in communication. When everything must be done by mail or through electronic means, it is much easier for intent to be lost. But clear communication is essential to the Board. We need to have as complete an understanding as possible of what is happening before the Board can take action. We therefore come to what we are asking of the people of Nordmark. Please write to us, or send us e-mail, and let us know of your concerns. While we do not speak Swedish, we can arrange to get letters translated. It is very important to us that we have contact with as many people as possible, and that we do our best for all the people of Nordmark, Drachenwald, and the Society. But we will not know what is best until we know what you need, and we will not know what you need until you tell us. Please take the time to contact us. In service to the Society, Duke John Bearkiller Mistress Eilis O'Boirne John Fulton Lee Forgue Chairman and President, SCA Inc. Director and Ombudsman for Drachenwald address: 2494 Hollins Avenue address: 2322 Russell Street Memphis TN 38112 USA Berkeley CA 94705 USA home phone: (901) 452-9881 home phone: (510) 486-0633 e-mail: llutherfulto@msuvx1.memphis.edu/e-mail: eilis@haas.berkeley.edu PS: If more time had been available, this letter would have been translated into Swedish. We felt that it was more important that it get to people before they left for Visby. Also note that we are trying to have only one copy of this letter reach each address. From nordmark-request Wed Aug 16 14:11:38 1995 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA04265 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:11:37 +0200 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA23285 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:04:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:04:07 +0200 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199508161204.AA23285@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Omr|stning Status: RO >För att ge H.M. Sir De Lacy ett underlag att presentera för BoD, skall en >folkomröstning genomföras, så snart BoD meddelar sin inställning. Eeh.... Hur skall BoD kunna meddela sin inst{llning innan de f}tt ett underlag...? Frithiof, f|rvirrad! From nordmark-request Wed Aug 16 14:51:15 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA04886 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:51:09 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0sihvI-0005OkC; Wed, 16 Aug 95 14:50 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0siZya-0008QeC; Wed, 16 Aug 95 14:51 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Re: Omr|stning To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:51:11 +1030 (???) Cc: Sven.Noren@Kemi.UU.SE In-Reply-To: <199508161204.AA23285@akka.kemi.uu.se> from "Sven Noren" at Aug 16, 95 02:04:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 485 Status: RO Frithiof blev förvirrad av mitt påstående: > >För att ge H.M. Sir De Lacy ett underlag att presentera för BoD, skall en > >folkomröstning genomföras, så snart BoD meddelar sin inställning. > > Eeh.... Hur skall BoD kunna meddela sin inst{llning innan de f}tt ett > underlag...? Jag var kanske lite otydlig. Meningen är att BoD skall tala om ifall de tänker hedra resultatet av folkomröstningen, eller om de struntar i vad folk tycker, för att uttrycka sig lite burdust. /Tidrik From nordmark-request Wed Aug 16 15:13:29 1995 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA05164 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:13:28 +0200 Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA08813; Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:15:04 +0200 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA11793; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:13:24 +0200 From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <9508161313.AA11793@nastol.astro.lu.se> Subject: Re: Vad som h{nde i Visby To: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se (Par Leijonhufvud labtek) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:13:24 METDST Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: ; from "Par Leijonhufvud labtek" at Aug 14, 95 8:25 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO > Som jag f|rstod Kungens presentation {r det inte det (nya) "Konungariket > Nordmark" som skulle bli ett SCA-furstend|mme, utan Baroniet Nordmark, > med den lag vi vill ha. > That was part of the "deal": King michael would do his best, if the "kingdom of Nordmark" would stay an SCA group, i.e. no split, just good old Barony Nordmark, which would then be elevated to principality status. > Under avtackandet av folk som s}som individer tj{nat Nordmark br|t han > vid tv} tillf{llen loss delar av baronkronan och gav som minnessaker. You must have been looking from a wrong angle. What I saw looked like he took loose pieces lying _in_ the coronet, between the metal ring and the lining. Ralph Snel ralph@astro.lu.se From nordmark-request Wed Aug 16 15:20:42 1995 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA05285 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:20:41 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA09808; Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:22:12 +0200 Subject: Re: Omr|stning To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:20:27 +0200 Message-Id: <950816.152027.41861@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >... Meningen dr att BoD skall tala om ifall de >tdnker hedra resultatet av folkomrvstningen, eller om de struntar i vad >folk tycker, fvr att uttrycka sig lite burdust. > > /Tidrik Fast som jag foerstod saken saa ska folkomroestningen genomfoeras i vilket fall som helst, just foer att Sir Michael ska ha naagot att slaa BoD i huvudet med, och foer att det ska vara klart och uppenbart ifall de behagar strunta i resultatet. Att ta reda paa vad folk tycker har ett vaerde i sig, verkar Sir Michael mena - en instaellning som vi inte aer saerskilt borstkaemda med fraan Drachenwalds sida. /Catrin Janna.Spanne@Kansli.LTH.se From nordmark-request Wed Aug 16 15:35:38 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA05617 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:35:34 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0siicQ-0005OkC; Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:34 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0siafj-0008QeC; Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:35 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Re: Vad som h{nde i Visby To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:35:46 +1030 (???) In-Reply-To: <9508161313.AA11793@nastol.astro.lu.se> from "Ralph Snel" at Aug 16, 95 03:13:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1414 Status: RO Ralph skrev: > > Som jag f|rstod Kungens presentation {r det inte det (nya) "Konungariket > > Nordmark" som skulle bli ett SCA-furstend|mme, utan Baroniet Nordmark, > > med den lag vi vill ha. > > > That was part of the "deal": King michael would do his best, if the > "kingdom of Nordmark" would stay an SCA group, i.e. no split, just > good old Barony Nordmark, which would then be elevated to principality > status. Jo, det kanske är sant. Men samtidigt finns det redan nu en nyskapad förening, med vilken detta avtal slutits. Det är Konungarikets riksdag som skall ta ställning till BoD:s svar och besluta vad som skall ske med Konungariket, d.v.s. den nyskapade riksorganisationen. Ett alternativ kan naturligtvis vara att lägga ned föreningen igen, men det tror jag knappast någon (av de som skapat den) vill. Ett annat alternativ är att ersätta SKA-Nordmark med den nyskapade föreningen, men detta låter sig självklart inte göras hur lätt som helst. > > Under avtackandet av folk som s}som individer tj{nat Nordmark br|t han > > vid tv} tillf{llen loss delar av baronkronan och gav som minnessaker. > > You must have been looking from a wrong angle. What I saw looked like he > took loose pieces lying _in_ the coronet, between the metal ring and the > lining. Ja, inte bröt han sönder kronan i varje fall. Han tog loss saker som var fästa vid kronan, närmare bestämt silversparrar. /Tidrik From nordmark-request Wed Aug 16 15:39:32 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA05684 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:39:29 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0siigD-0005OkC; Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:38 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0siajW-0008QeC; Wed, 16 Aug 95 15:39 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Re: Omr|stning To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 15:39:42 +1030 (???) In-Reply-To: <950816.152027.41861@macpost.lu.se> from "Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se" at Aug 16, 95 03:20:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 527 Status: RO Catrin skrev: > Fast som jag foerstod saken saa ska folkomroestningen genomfoeras i vilket > fall som helst, just foer att Sir Michael ska ha naagot att slaa BoD > i huvudet med, och foer att det ska vara klart och uppenbart ifall de > behagar strunta i resultatet. Att ta reda paa vad folk tycker har ett > vaerde i sig, verkar Sir Michael mena - en instaellning som vi inte aer > saerskilt borstkaemda med fraan Drachenwalds sida. Exakt! Det är också för att Hans Majestät skall ha torrt på fötterna, s.a.s. /Tidrik From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 09:35:17 1995 Return-Path: masc@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA16339 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:35:12 +0200 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 08:35:07 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA07742; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:35:02 +0200 From: Marie Schroder Message-Id: <9508170735.AA07742@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: moete ikvaell! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 9:35:02 METDST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO Hej hopp! Marie haer... Vi har ett litet allmaent dricka te och prata strunt moete i Holmrike Vaesterort ikvaell! Plats: Aelvdalsvaegen 11, Haesselby hos Lord Gilliam Blackhorn (Anders Olsson)..... tel 892263. Kommunikation: buss 541 fraan Vaellingby. Stig av vid Viadukten...... Tid: som vanligt......klockan 19,00. Alla hjaertligt vaelkomna Marie From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 09:41:13 1995 Return-Path: frithiof@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA16418 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:41:12 +0200 Received: by akka.kemi.uu.se id AA26086 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:33:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:33:42 +0200 From: Sven Noren Message-Id: <199508170733.AA26086@akka.kemi.uu.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Omr|stning Status: RO >Jag var kanske lite otydlig. Meningen är att BoD skall tala om ifall de >tänker hedra resultatet av folkomröstningen, eller om de struntar i vad >folk tycker, för att uttrycka sig lite burdust. > > /Tidrik > Jaha, ok, folkomr|stning. Vad skall det r|stas om, n{r och hur skall omr|stningen ske, och vilka {r r|stber{ttigade? Frithiof From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 09:58:37 1995 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA16577 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:58:36 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA25613; Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:00:12 +0200 Subject: Re: Omr|stning To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:58:22 +0200 Message-Id: <950817.095822.42365@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Jaha, ok, folkomr|stning. >Vad skall det r|stas om, n{r och hur skall omr|stningen ske, och vilka >{r r|stber{ttigade? > >Frithiof Sir Michael och ]lstene har st{llt samman en kravlista fr}n Nordmark till BoD om hur Nordmark ska fungera inom SCA, f|r att det sj{lvst{ndiga Kungad|met Nordmark inte ska dra ig}ng. Jag antecknade inte ordalydelsen i Visby och vill d{rf|r inte s{ga n}got om inneh}llet. (N}gon som varit flitigare kan v{l posta en kopia.) Vi ska r|sta om huruvida vi st{ller oss bakom kraven. R|stber{ttigade {r medlemmar i SCA, i SKA-Nordmark och i Nordmarks lokalgrupper (de lokala drotsarna {r ombedda att skicka in medlemslistor). Vad jag f|rst}r ska omr|stningen h}llas inom n}gra veckor efter Visby. /Catrin Janna.Spanne@Kansli.LTH.se From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 10:46:16 1995 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.230.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA16920 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:46:15 +0200 Received: (from leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA05122 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:46:40 +0200 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199508170846.KAA05122@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Re: Omr|stning To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:46:40 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1971 Status: RO En h{lsning till alla p} Prath|gen fr}n Peder. Frithiof: > Vad skall det r|stas om, n{r och hur skall omr|stningen ske, och > vilka {r r|stber{ttigade? Catrin: > Sir Michael och ]lstene har st{llt samman en kravlista fr}n Nordmark > till BoD om hur Nordmark ska fungera inom SCA, f|r att det > sj{lvst{ndiga Kungad|met Nordmark inte ska dra ig}ng. Jag > antecknade inte ordalydelsen ... Omr|stningen ska ha tv} fr}gor (b}da relaterade till ett framtida furstend|me): 1) Vill vi att v}r furste/inna ska kunna utses med hj{lp f|rk{mpe i furstetorneringen? 2) Vill vi att v}rt Ting ska ha vetor{tt p} lagar f|r furstend|met? Fr}gorna ska besvaras med Ja eller Nej. Vad jag f|rstod, s} ska inte utg}ngen av omr|stningen ha n}gon inverkan p} om det sj{lvst{ndiga kungad|met Nordmark drar ig}ng eller inte. Det beror enbart (enligt vad jag uppfattade) enbart p} om BoD accepterar omr|stningens utfall eller inte. Alts}: Om BoD accepterar omr|stningens utfall och l}ter ett framtida Nordmarkiskt furstend|me ha lagar enligt omr|stningen, uppl|ser det sj{lvst{ndiga kungad|met sig, oavsett omr|stningens utfall. P} s} s{tt kan BoD ta st{llning innan omr|stningen skett. > R|stber{ttigade {r medlemmar i SCA, i SKA-Nordmark och i Nordmarks > lokalgrupper (de lokala drotsarna {r ombedda att skicka in > medlemslistor). Den ursprungliga definitionen av r|stber{ttigade var "de som f}tt budkavlen, samt medlemmar i SCA Inc och SKA-Nordmark". Catrin har }tergivit vad detta inneb{r helt korrekt. Omr|stningen ska ske som en traditionell poll. Hur den ska r{knas har jag inte h|rt n}got om. F|rhoppningsvis g|rs det av n}gon opartisk; v}ra br|der och systrar i Aarnimets{ t ex. OBS OBS OBS Detta {r min uppfattning om hur saker och ting st}r till och hur det ska g} till. Jag {r inte talesman f|r det sj{lvst{ndiga kungad|met Nordmark. Jag kan ha fel. Men om vad jag skrivit skiljer sig fr}n din uppfattning, t{nk p} att jag {ven kan ha r{tt... /Peder From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 10:57:19 1995 Return-Path: rohe@vas.prevas.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA17053 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:57:19 +0200 From: rohe@vas.prevas.se Received: by mn3.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/2.01) id KAA07044; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:55:18 +0200 Message-ID: <199508170855.KAA07044@mn3.swip.net> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:44:01 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Re: OmrOstning X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0395M Status: RO Hej och hå, appropå omröstning... jag förstod det som att röstberättigade var SCA-medlemmar, SKA-medlemmar och alla som lokalgrupperna anser vara "aktiva" inte bara medlemmar. Lokal- grupperna skulle få ge listor på sina aktiva medlemmar. Detta gällde även live-föreningen Agaria såvitt jag förstod. Jag hoppas att någon kommer med bättre info om det här var fel jag kan inte riktigt påstå att jag kommer ihåg exakt vad som sades... Sven From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 11:12:05 1995 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:kansli.lth-j.spanne@macpost.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA17274 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:12:04 +0200 Received: from macpost.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA02328; Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:13:41 +0200 Subject: Re: Omr|stning To: Nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna.Spanne@kansli.lth.se Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 11:11:50 +0200 Message-Id: <950817.111150.42457@macpost.lu.se> Status: RO >Vad jag f|rstod, s} ska inte utg}ngen av omr|stningen ha n}gon >inverkan p} om det sj{lvst{ndiga kungad|met Nordmark drar ig}ng eller >inte. Det beror enbart (enligt vad jag uppfattade) enbart p} om BoD >accepterar omr|stningens utfall eller inte. Helt r{tt. Jag var otydlig om orsakssammanhanget. /Catrin Janna.Spanne@Kansli.LTH.se From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 12:24:03 1995 Return-Path: jannis@sth.carta.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA17888 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:24:03 +0200 From: jannis@sth.carta.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id MAA27747; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:30:13 +0200 Message-ID: <199508171030.MAA27747@mail.swip.net> Date: Thur, 17 Aug 1995 12:24 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Omrostning Status: RO Var hälsade alla innevånare av NML (??;) """ 1) Vill vi att vår furste/inna ska kunna utses med hjälp förkämpe i furstetorneringen? """ Som det avtalades kommer den första punkten vara mer allmän, dvs: 1) Vill vi att vår furste/inna skall kunna utses på vilket sätt vi vill, utan att Drachenwald skall kunna stoppa oss (singla slant, förkämpe, lottning, etc.) (Jag vet att min formulering är något konstig :) Något vidare begrepp och mycket farligare. Vi kanske biter oss själva i foten. Stödet för en sådan ändring gissar jag är mycket mindre än för ett förkämpesystem. Förslaget till mottagare av pollning har varit lite luddigt. Det som diskuterats är medlemmar av SCA och alla SKA-föreningarna i Sverige, inkl Nordmark och lokala. Kungen har uttryckt sin vilja att också kunna skicka den till alla 'aktiva' vilket i sådana fall också skulle inkludera dem vars namn man kan hitta från "närvarolistor" ifrån de evenemang som hållits runt om i Sverige. Min åsikt är att det räcker med dem som är medlemmar i någon av föreningarna. Såsom det var skrivet, Petrc Monomachos From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 13:23:42 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA18373 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:23:40 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0sj32J-0005OkC; Thu, 17 Aug 95 13:22 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0siv5j-0008QeC; Thu, 17 Aug 95 13:23 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Re: Re: OmrOstning To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:23:59 +1030 (???) In-Reply-To: <199508170855.KAA07044@mn3.swip.net> from "rohe@vas.prevas.se" at Aug 17, 95 10:44:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 345 Status: RO Sven skrev: > Detta gällde även live-föreningen Agaria såvitt jag förstod. Stop och belägg! Agaria är definitivt inte någon live-förening. Vi är en ungdomssektion till hembygdsföreningen i Åkersberga (Österåkers kommun) som leker i samma anda som SCA. Vårt deltagande i omröstningen är som de avhoppade holmrikebor vi är. /Tidrik, agarier! From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 13:55:58 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA18640 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:55:53 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0sj3XP-0005OkC; Thu, 17 Aug 95 13:55 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0sivap-0008QeC; Thu, 17 Aug 95 13:56 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Avtalet mellan Sir de Lacy och Herr Alstene To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:56:06 +1030 (???) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1561 Status: RO Detta är avtalet mellan Hans Majestät, Sir Michael de Lacy och Herr Eric Ålstene, så som Herr Ålstene återgivit det för mig: Hans Majestät och Herr Ålstene skriver gemensamt till BoD att alla de grupper som röstat om budkavlen, d v s alla de som anses som medlemmar i varje kanton, blivande kanton eller övrig grupp som anser sig tillhöra Nordmark, skall rösta om huruvida de vill ha en lag som innehåller två huvudpunkter, nämligen: 1) Ett oavhängigt ting vilket har absolut vetorätt mot SCAs lagar (inkl. Drachenwalds) samt rätten att välja sina ämbetsmän 2) Rätten att välja regenter på det sätt som tinget bestämmer Innan denna omröstning sker skall BoD uttala sig om huruvida de är beredda att acceptera en lag baserad på ovanstående två punkter. Detta uttalande måste göras före det tillfälle då konungariket Nordmarks första riksdag skall hållas. Om BoD är beredda att acceptera en sådan lag, kommer konungarikets riksdag rösta om huruvida man vill antaga Hans Majestäts alternativ till konungariket. Detta alternativ innebär att konungariket omvandlas till ett furstendöme inom SCA. Detta furstendöme ingår då i konungariket Drachenwald med ovan- stående två punkter som förbehåll. Om BoDs svar är negativt eller helt uteblir, eller om riksdagen avslår Hans Majestäts alternativ, så fortsätter konungariket Nordmark fungera som tänkt, och dess utsedda huvuden kröns till Kung och Drottning. Detta är ett utdrag ur protokollet som fördes vid det konstituerande mötet för riksorganisationen konungariket Nordmark i Visby 1995-08-07. /Tidrik From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 14:21:03 1995 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.230.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA18958 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:21:01 +0200 Received: (from leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA08720 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:21:27 +0200 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199508171221.OAA08720@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Avtalet mellan Sir de Lacy och Herr Alstene To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:21:26 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1445 Status: RO Tidrik skrev: > Detta är avtalet mellan Hans Majestät, Sir Michael de Lacy och > Herr Eric Ålstene, så som Herr Ålstene återgivit det > för mig... Tack, Tidrik. Mitt nu uppfriskade minne inst{mmer med att detta {r det avtal mellan kung Michael och Erik ]lstene som }tergavs vid det Urtima Tinget. Urs{kta om jag f|rvirrat folk h{r p} prath|gen med felaktigt ih}gkomna fakta. > Om BoD är beredda att acceptera en sådan lag, kommer > konungarikets riksdag rösta om huruvida man vill antaga Hans > Majestäts alternativ till konungariket. > > Detta alternativ innebär att konungariket omvandlas till ett > furstendöme inom SCA. Detta furstendöme ingår då i > konungariket Drachenwald med ovanstående två punkter som > förbehåll. Ehhh... Och de som inte var med och konstituerade konungariket Nordmark? De som hellre vill se att _baroniet_ Nordmark omvandlas till ett furstend|me (i och f|r sig g{rna med de undantag fr}n Corpora, som vi nu ska r|sta om)? De ska alts} uppl|sa baroniet och g} med i det furstend|me som tidigare varit kungarike? Och vem blir h|gsta {mbetsman i det nya furstend|met? Det tidigare kungarikets talman eller baroniets drots? Detta kan verka petigt, men tro mig: det finns fasligt m}nga t}r att trampa p} h{r. Mina {r inte s{rskilt |mma, men trampar man tillr{ckligt h}rt, g|r det ont {nd}! Ta dock detta som ett gott r}d: Med lite sunt f|rnuft och f|rsiktiga steg, g}r det att undvika de flesta t}r! /Peder From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 14:48:41 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA19717 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:48:36 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0sj4MH-0005OkC; Thu, 17 Aug 95 14:47 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0siwPi-0008QeC; Thu, 17 Aug 95 14:48 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Re: Avtalet mellan Sir de Lacy och Herr Alstene To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:48:41 +1030 (???) Cc: leeu@celsiustech.se In-Reply-To: <199508171221.OAA08720@world.celsiustech.se> from "Leif Euren" at Aug 17, 95 02:21:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2080 Status: RO Peder skrev: > Ehhh... Och de som inte var med och konstituerade konungariket > Nordmark? De som hellre vill se att _baroniet_ Nordmark omvandlas > till ett furstend|me (i och f|r sig g{rna med de undantag fr}n > Corpora, som vi nu ska r|sta om)? De ska alts} uppl|sa baroniet och > g} med i det furstend|me som tidigare varit kungarike? Detta är i sanning en besvärlig fråga. Problemet med avtalet som jag återgav är att det är uppgjort mellan H.M. de Lacy och Herr Ålstene, för att avgöra vad som skall bli av konungariket. SCA-baroniet Nordmark finns ju kvar oavsett konungariket, tillika tvärtom. Jag skulle tro att de flesta som varit med om att starta konungariket gärna vill se att den nya föreningsstruktur vi byggt upp kvarstår även om konungariket övergår till att bli ett furstendöme. Detta riskerar ju självklart då att stå i konflikt med det redan befintliga SCA-baroniet, som också vill vara ett SCA-furstendöme, oavsett de förbehåll som konungariket ställt till BoD. Den enda lösningen i sådana fall, måste bli någon sorts försoning mellan konungarike och SCA-baroni. Kanske bör redan nu en plan för detta utarbetas? > Och vem blir h|gsta {mbetsman i det nya furstend|met? Det tidigare > kungarikets talman eller baroniets drots? Det är också det en knivig fråga. De som valt att stanna inom SCA-baroniet tycker troligtvis att vi inom konungarikesrörelsen är avhoppare som inte kan göra anspråk på några ämbeten. Detta är givetvis också sant ur en viss synvinkel. Å andra sidan har konungarikets riksdrots (som ämbetets namn lyder) valts av en majoritet (kan man antaga) av Nordmarks befolkning vilket borde väga ganska tungt det också. > Detta kan verka petigt, men tro mig: det finns fasligt m}nga t}r att > trampa p} h{r. Mina {r inte s{rskilt |mma, men trampar man > tillr{ckligt h}rt, g|r det ont {nd}! Du har i sanning rätt här. Jag tycker själv att det allra viktigaste i allt detta är att vi trots meningsskiljaktigheter försöker hålla sams. Vi är ändå alla nordmarkare och vi vill uppnå samma saker, bara på något olika sätt. /Tidrik From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 18:20:19 1995 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA22887 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:20:19 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA09735 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:20:12 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:20:11 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Re: Vad som h{nde i Visby Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, Peter Forsberg wrote: > > > > Under avtackandet av folk som s}som individer tj{nat Nordmark br|t han > > > vid tv} tillf{llen loss delar av baronkronan och gav som minnessaker. > > > > Ja, inte brvt han svnder kronan i varje fall. Han tog loss saker som var > fdsta vid kronan, ndrmare bestdmt silversparrar. > > /Tidrik > Jag m}ste f} fr}ga: Vad {r skillnaden mellan att bryta loss och att ta loss? Om sakerna satt p} kronan var de v{l en del av den? Om du har en ring med en sten p} och tar bort stenen, nog har du v{l s|nder ringen? Och med tanke p} hur mycket han fick lirka och b{nda f|r att f} l|s sagda sparrar, tycker jag nog att jag uttryckte mig riktigt. /Brianag (som tillf{lligt stulit UlfRs e-mailkonto) From nordmark-request Thu Aug 17 18:30:10 1995 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from jason.ludd.luth.se (jason.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.49]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA23011 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:30:09 +0200 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by jason.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id SAA27311 for nordmark@ludd; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:34:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199508171634.SAA27311@jason.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Vad som h{nde i Visby To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:34:50 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Par Leijonhufvud labtek" at Aug 17, 95 06:20:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 950 Status: RO > > On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, Peter Forsberg wrote: > > > > > > > Under avtackandet av folk som s}som individer tj{nat Nordmark br|t han > > > > vid tv} tillf{llen loss delar av baronkronan och gav som minnessaker. > > > > > > > Ja, inte brvt han svnder kronan i varje fall. Han tog loss saker som var > > fdsta vid kronan, ndrmare bestdmt silversparrar. > > > > /Tidrik > > > Jag m}ste f} fr}ga: Vad {r skillnaden mellan att bryta loss och att ta > loss? Om sakerna satt p} kronan var de v{l en del av den? Om du har en > ring med en sten p} och tar bort stenen, nog har du v{l s|nder ringen? > Och med tanke p} hur mycket han fick lirka och b{nda f|r att f} l|s sagda > sparrar, tycker jag nog att jag uttryckte mig riktigt. > > /Brianag (som tillf{lligt stulit UlfRs e-mailkonto) > > Jo det verkar vara s} h{r....(mina |ron sade mig det) :)..... Det var tydligen sm} "tokens" i form av sm} sparrar som var tillf{lligt ditsatta. Ulf. From nordmark-request Fri Aug 18 08:36:12 1995 Return-Path: masc@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA01586 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 08:36:09 +0200 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 07:35:56 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA05097; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 08:35:55 +0200 From: Marie Schroder Message-Id: <9508180635.AA05097@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: kronan..... To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 8:35:54 METDST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Status: RO Hej......... Haer kommer Marie och laegger sig i det daer med att ha eller inte ha soender baronkronan...... Jag var inte daer, men jag laeste att det var smaa sparrar som paa ett eller annat saett togs loss..... Vad jag minns saa satt det sparrar paa kronan, kronan var dessutom helt isaertagbar foer att den skulle kunna putsas och haallas skinande paa ett trevligt saett.Aalstene, eller om det nu var Kira talade om det foer mig naer de var nygjorda...saa antagligen var det vael de Sparrar som faktiskt prydde kronan en gaang i tiden som delades ut. Men fraaga mannen ifraaga sjaelva, jag var som sagt vad inte daer.... Marie.....bluddrande From nordmark-request Fri Aug 18 10:15:37 1995 Return-Path: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA02394 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:15:36 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id KAA12633; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:21:46 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Sparren (allts} tidningen) Date: 18 Aug 1995 10:00:55 GMT Message-Id: <470085598.50949336@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Status: RO Hall}! Hemma igen, snorig och hostig. I dag ska vi h{mta Silversparren nr 118 fr}n trycket. Lite kul att se hur den blir. Tyv{rr har jag redan innan leverans hittat vissa stavfel. Hittar du fler {n t.ex. "skatm{stare" p} de }terkommande sidorna, s} h|r g{rna av dig, jag skrev dem klockan halv tre p} natten f|re Wisbyavresan... Ni som gillar att |ppna och st{nga kuvert och klistra klisterlappar med adresser p} f}r g{rna hj{lpa Mistress Marie som }tagit sig distributionen. H|r av er till henne s} blir hon nog glad. Jag bdid gdad ob jag sludad ha sduba snadt :-) Tora PS Word 6.0 ger mig ca 32 sidor fyrkanter och inget annat, spara i dos eller n}got som Word 5.0 f|r Mac kan |ppna! Gracie. From nordmark-request Fri Aug 18 10:17:53 1995 Return-Path: scpefo@salcom.se Received: from core.salcom.se ([192.121.163.149]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA02412 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:17:51 +0200 Received: from mail2.salcom.se by core.salcom.se with smtp (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0sjMc1-0005OkC; Fri, 18 Aug 95 10:17 MET DST Received: by mail2.salcom.se (Smail3.1.29.0 #1) id m0sjEfZ-0008QeC; Fri, 18 Aug 95 10:18 ??? Message-Id: From: scpefo@salcom.se (Peter Forsberg) Subject: Baron Erics trasiga krona To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:18:17 +1030 (???) In-Reply-To: <199508171634.SAA27311@jason.ludd.luth.se> from "U.J|rgen \hman" at Aug 17, 95 06:34:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 715 Status: RO > > Jag m}ste f} fr}ga: Vad {r skillnaden mellan att bryta loss och att ta > > loss? Om sakerna satt p} kronan var de v{l en del av den? Om du har en > > ring med en sten p} och tar bort stenen, nog har du v{l s|nder ringen? > > Och med tanke p} hur mycket han fick lirka och b{nda f|r att f} l|s sagda > > sparrar, tycker jag nog att jag uttryckte mig riktigt. > > > > /Brianag (som tillf{lligt stulit UlfRs e-mailkonto) > > Jo det verkar vara s} h{r....(mina |ron sade mig det) :)..... > > Det var tydligen sm} "tokens" i form av sm} sparrar som var tillf{lligt ditsatta. > > Ulf. Det var precis så jag också uppfattade det. Alltså tog han loss dem, utan att bryta sönder kronan. /Tidrik, besserweiser From nordmark-request Fri Aug 18 10:18:41 1995 Return-Path: jkaksonen@unda.fi Received: from unda.fi (unda.fi [193.64.23.5]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA02424 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:18:39 +0200 Received: from titan.unda.fi by unda.fi (5.65c/94.2.11-MAI) id AA02882; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:20:49 +0300 Received: from nipsu.unda.fi by titan.unda.fi (4.1/MAI-94.2.12) id AA03944; Fri, 18 Aug 95 11:18:37 +0300 Received: by nipsu.unda.fi (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01563; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:19:09 --200 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:19:09 --200 From: jkaksonen@unda.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Message-Id: <9508180819.AA01563@nipsu.unda.fi> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: kronan..... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 104 Status: RO Ja det var silversparrarna som han tog loss. Inget rivande utan de lossna mycket vackert. Celestinus From nordmark-request Fri Aug 18 11:51:20 1995 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (Nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA03411 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:51:19 +0200 Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA04403; Fri, 18 Aug 95 11:52:58 +0200 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA17621; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:51:19 +0200 From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <9508180951.AA17621@nastol.astro.lu.se> Subject: Re: kronan To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 11:51:19 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO Isn't it amazing what some people can get upset about: _Maybe_ he broke the coronet. _Maybe_ he just disassembled it. _Maybe_ the king got insulted by this. Has anyone even asked the King? Or heard him mutter over the destroyed coronet? Of course everybody has asked Erik if the chevrons were tokens or came from the coronet itself. Stop bickering! Ralph Snel ralph@astro.lu.se From nordmark-request Fri Aug 18 17:37:22 1995 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA09303 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:37:21 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA27311 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:37:15 +0200 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 17:37:14 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Re: kronan Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: <9508180951.AA17621@nastol.astro.lu.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: RO On Fri, 18 Aug 1995, Ralph Snel wrote: > Isn't it amazing what some people can get upset about: > _Maybe_ he broke the coronet. _Maybe_ he just disassembled it. > _Maybe_ the king got insulted by this. >=20 > Has anyone even asked the King? Or heard him mutter over the > destroyed coronet? Of course everybody has asked Erik if the > chevrons were tokens or came from the coronet itself. >=20 > Stop bickering! >=20 >=20 > Ralph Snel > ralph@astro.lu.se >=20 As I only have access to this medium now and again I may have missed=20 something, but I am fairly certain nobody has even mentioned the King=20 before you. I certainly never said anything about him being upset. I=20 myself am the one who is feeling upset. It has now been repeatedly=20 explained to me that Erik did not break the crown to pieces but rather=20 broke off bits that were attached to it, which is exactly what I first=20 said ("br|t l|s bitar"). If these pieces were not part of the crown, why=20 were they attached to it? And if they were part of the crown, does not=20 their removal constitute damage to the crown? I have no great wish to bicker, I merely stated in a recounting of things= =20 occurring during Erik=B4s last court that pieces of the crown were removed.= =20 If others wish to bicker over this, fine. But I will not have it inferred= =20 that I made claims about the King=B4s feelings. /Brianag (still pilfering P{r=B4s account) Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud Oh, *practice*. I don't mind=20 Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se *practising*. So long as we Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 (home) don't have to do it for real. usps://Sweden/18331/Taby/Nasbydalsvagen.8/Par.Leijonhufvud From nordmark-request Sat Aug 19 09:29:57 1995 Return-Path: rohe@vas.prevas.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA17805 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:29:56 +0200 From: rohe@vas.prevas.se Received: by mn3.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/2.01) id JAA27600; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:27:53 +0200 Message-ID: <199508190727.JAA27600@mn3.swip.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 9:28:53 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Cc: robhed@update.uu.se Subject: Ett traningslager X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0395M Status: RO Hej och haa, ifraan Sven gunnarsson. Uti Fathrundrialand ska vi ha ett traningslager paa loerdagen och soendagen 2-3 september. Alla aer vaelkomna, vi vill ha 50:- av de som dyker upp foer att bekosta lokalen som vi oevernattar i och duscharna. Vi borjar paa loerdag foermiddag och slutar paa soendag eftermiddag. Vi kommer bland annat att slaass i Fort Texas, en lekplats i form av ett "amerikanskt fort" med pallisad och allt. (Fyrtiosjundedagsaftonsplatsen). Platsen aer tallaasgaarden i Munktorp, bredvid fotbollsplanerna och fort texas ligger paa skolgaarden 400 meter daerifraan. För närmare beskrivning, info mm. ring Anna Hedström 0220-17833 eller Kim Hedlund / Robert Hedstroem 021-184683 Hej och haa och hoppas att ni alla kan komma.. Sven From nordmark-request Sun Aug 20 21:32:50 1995 Return-Path: <@post.demon.co.uk:mike@srmdel.demon.co.uk> Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA06550 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:31:38 +0200 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa23065; 20 Aug 95 20:30 +0100 Received: from srmdel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa13765; 20 Aug 95 20:27 +0100 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:35:05 +0000 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Michael Lacy Subject: Drachenwald Reform ideas (2)n (part 2 of 2) The Waiver: The waiver as it now stands if poorly-worded and ill-adapted to European law. As I understand it, the current SCA laws require that separate waivers must be signed not only at each event, but even at each fighter practice. This clearly unworkable, and in Europe, unnecessary. Europeans are not anywhere as litigious as Americans and European laws make it much more difficult to bring lawsuits to court; I think that a general waiver, signed on the membership form, is more than sufficient coverage for out needs. A committee of Drachenwalders could put together to come up with a good wording that would work for us in Europe, and their recommendations put into practice on the new batch of forms. Board policy on "taxing" non-members This is a monumentally bad Idea. If you treat people like strangers, they will likely remain strangers. If non-member guest do incurr special expenses (separate waivers for them at events, special insurance or whatever) then obviously, they must pay to cover these - but the money should only go to the hosting group, _not_ Milpitas. Military Base Groups Drachenwald was, to a large extent, founded by members serving in the U.S. armed forces, and many of the oldest groups are centred around U.S. military bases. However, as more and more Europeans join the SCA, a certain amount friction has developed in some areas where the groups are still very "base centred". Many Europeans feel very intimidated and/or resentful when they have to go onto an American military base for an event, meeting or practice. The searches are a drag and the decor is about as far from medieval as you can get. (This is one of the few reform issues that is definitely _no_ on the Nordmark agenda). I don't think that any real reform in the legal sense is needed here; just sensitivity. Groups that are very base centred should make a concerted effort to hold _all_ events and practices off-base. I realise that this can be inconvenient; bases offer very cheap rates for a variety of members' needs; transportation, hall rental, etc. but if we are going to present the SCA in a way that will appeal to a large number of Europeans, we must make the effort to make the SCA more European, and that means moving off the bases and into the local area. Besides, the bases will not be here forever, and unless your group establishes roots in the local area and population, it will eventually perish. All base-centred groups should make a real effort to have their memberships consist of _at least_ 50% local population in the very near future. Mind you, many base groups have done very well in establishing off-base ties and members; the group in Egail (Edzell, Scotland) holds its meetings and fighter practices in the local castle, and has a good number of local members. Meadowmarsh holds it business meetings in a local restaurant, and has very good relations with nearby Ronenberg castle - this is the kind of thing we should be working for. I do understand that in some cases, this will be impossible; not everyone can be expected to be a great SCA ambassador to the local population, and other considerations (geographic isolation, difficult communication with locals) may dictate that groups stay, to a large extent on base. In these cases, I think that it would be wise for them to organise their groups along the lines of a stronghold or college (indeed these branch types are specifically designed with military bases in mind) instead of shires. Another advantage of the stronghold branch is that it makes no territorial claim; its members belong by association to the base itself. Thus, if some local people express interest in the SCA, they can be encouraged to start up a new shire, instead of risking that they will be "put off" by trying to get them join a base-centered shire, and to attend lots of on-base events. Local democracy The issue of local democracy, as brought up in the original Nordmark law proposal, is a good idea. Crown heads should not make laws that are contrary to the will of the majority of the populace, and I support giving local member-parliaments the power to "veto" unpopular laws put foreword by their crown heads (provided of course that referendums are used and the highest democratic standards are upheld.) If nothing else, it gives participants another reason to join (as only members should be able to vote in these assemblies). Again, please send me you questions and comments on the issues I have raised, as well as any advice you have on other problems you have seen in the Kingdom that have escaped my attention. I welcome commentary on these issues from those within and without the Kingdom. Michael, Rex. "Interest omnium recte facere" Cicero. From nordmark-request Sun Aug 20 21:31:49 1995 Return-Path: <@post.demon.co.uk:mike@srmdel.demon.co.uk> Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA06549 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:31:37 +0200 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa23057; 20 Aug 95 20:30 +0100 Received: from srmdel.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa13760; 20 Aug 95 20:27 +0100 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:34:57 +0000 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Michael Lacy Subject: Drachenwald Reform ideas (1)n Michael, King of Drachenwald, sends greetings unto the populace of Nordmark! I have a number of postings on the topic of reform that I feel would be of great interest to you, so please have a look at them and give me your views and opinions on them. If someone would be so kind as to translate portions of this into Swedish and distribute it to members without E-mail access, I would be most grateful! Cheers! Michael, Rex Although, as I stated in a previous posting, the two "big issues" on the Nordmark referendum will probably "grab the headlines" in the reform debate, there are a number of other problems with the way the SCA is run in Europe that are of great concern to members throughout all of Drachenwald. During my time as Seneschal of Insula Draconis (a predominanly "European" shire in England) and as Kingdom Castellan, I identified a number of these concerns, and I wish to address a few of these now that I am in a position to do something about them.. Newsletters and Memberships; As many of you may know, in Drachenwald, members do not get the Kingdom newsletter with their membership; they automatically get Tournaments Illuminated, but the Dragons' Tale must be purchased separately. This is an unwise and cumbersome arrangement, and I think that it has contributed to the communication problem in Nordmark. Although it is true that new members have always had the choice of adding the Dragons Tale, many new members are eager to save cash, and do not realise the importance of having access to the Kingdom newsletter. The proposal that the Board has offered, that of allowing European international members to choose either TI or Dragon's Tale, is a step in the right direction, it does not go far enough - I feel it is vital that every paying member of Drachenwald _should automatically_ get a copy of the Kingdom newsletter (family members in the same household excepted, of course) just like in every other Kingdom in the SCA. The Kingdom newsletter is what binds the members of a Kingdom together; without it we will never develop a true sense of community, which is so vital in a kingdom as geographically and culturally diverse as Drachenwald. The Silversparren (Nordmark Baronial Newsletter) has filled this void for many in Nordmark, and I think that is one reason why so many in Nordmark do not really see themselves as being a part of Drachenwald or the wider community of the SCA. The Dragon's tale should automatically come with the membership, and Tournaments Illuminated should be an option (and the membership price should accurately reflect the savings in international postage, etc. of not choosing TI) Personally, I think that Tournaments Illuminated should be "privatised" and available by subscription to anyone who wants it, regardless of whether they are SCA or not; as it becomes more and more professional looking, it will appeal to a much wider audience (ren-fair folk, historical re-enactment groups, hobbyists and armchair enthusiasts.) In fact, I even know of a few cases in England where re-enactors have paid for memberships simply to get TI - they had no interest whatsoever in playing SCA, they just wanted the magazine! If the TI were run as a private (but SCA affiliated) magazine, it would cease to be a subsidised money loser, and could actually be a money earner! (Socialism and state-controlled industries have failed all over Europe, why are we of all people still doing it?) All members should instead receive a "Known World Newsletter" that will have messages from corporate officers, lists of the officers of the Kingdoms of the SCA, and a listing of major inter-kingdom events. This should be printed as cheaply as possible, and send out quarterly - on time preferably. Name and Heraldic Registration; A number of people and groups in Drachenwald have been waiting years and years to get their heraldry passed. While some of this is due to "growing pains" and the inevitable disorder that arises when a group changes status from a Principality (and a geographically isolated one at that) to a Kingdom, it is obvious that the submission process needs to be re-organised and made more efficient. I have discussed a number of ideas with Sedalia for speeding up the process of Heraldic submissions for Drachenwald, including using the internet and on-line armorials, giving the Kingdom Herald the power to "provisionally pass" arms that are not in conflict with anything already registered - thus the only possible conflict would be if someone else was trying to pass the same thing at the same time in a different Kingdom - not very likely. This would greatly speed up the process, by eliminating the necessity of sending all submissions overseas before being checked against the main Society Armorial. The Laurel level would still do the final check, and would act as a "court of last appeal" in Heraldry cases, but I think that delegating more powers to their subordinates at Kingdom level could only help things by reducing their workload. Registering names: Many Europeans feel that the name-registration process is a bit silly and condescending. The SCA in America has deep roots in the fantasy and sci-fi Con scene, and thus it makes sense to have a system for checking that names are "period" and documentable (particularly when some folks out there consider "Slave Bimbos of Gor" to be a reliable source for research ;). However, most people who are into medieval history and re-enactment in Europe have deep roots in, well. . medieval European history; the average European member has a much higher level of "medieval awareness" that the average American member. Thus it is more than a little galling for them to have to fill out paperwork to document their names, and sent it to, of all places, California! (and then, of course to wait for months, and sometimes years to hear back from them). While I do agree that this attitude is a bit chauvinistic, it is does have some validity to it. It would be no bad thing to allow the Kingdom Herald to pass names without having to send them on to Laurel - the Corporate level need only be involved if there is a very tricky research question to address, or if a submission has been failed by the Kingdom level, and the member wishes to appeal. Most Kingdom heralds should be able to spot a non-period name a mile off, and if they are uncertain, they still have recourse to Laurel. This would greatly speed up the process, and would lessen the workload of the Corporate level heralds. I am also in favour of just dropping the conflict check for names - it is not in anyway period (whereas the checking for Heraldry certainly is) and it wastes time. In the 15th century, John Paston had two sons - both named John Paston! If a late medieval English family can have 3 John Pastons under the same roof, I think that we can deal with a few duplicate names in a globe-straddling society such as ours. (end part 1) From nordmark-request Tue Aug 22 20:01:20 1995 Return-Path: mabr@norell.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA07334 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:01:18 +0200 From: mabr@norell.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id UAA13016; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:07:32 +0200 Message-ID: <199508221807.UAA13016@mail.swip.net> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:00 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: VB: SILVERSPARREN : Annons !!! ---------- Från: Morgan Broman Till: SE:Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Kopia: Morgan Broman Angående: SILVERSPARREN : Annons !!! Datum: den 22 augusti 1995 19:30 Hej Anna, haer kommer en evenmangsannons....;) Ciao Morgan// *************************************************************** Aros kaempatraeningslaeger 24-26 November 1995 ============================================ Aros traditionella kaempatraeningslaeger kommer att haallas 24-26 november på Lurbo Gaard, soeder om Uppsala. Lurbo gaard har bastu och flera duschar, bra parkeringsplats och ligger naera staden. Det finns saengar (ca. 20 st) och golvplats. Roekning aer inte tillaaten innomhus. Platsen aer fuktig (dvs inget starkare aen vin eller mjoed). Traeningen kommer liksom tidigare aar att ledas av Syr Morgan deGrey. Schema : -------------- Fredag 17.00 Platsen oeppnar Loerdag 08.30 Rustningsinspektion Traening baade enskilt och i grupp 15.00 Solen gaar ned. Under kvaellen serveras en bankett. Soendag 12.00 Platsen staenger Avgifter : ------------- Platsavgift 100:- Frukost L/S 15:-/frukost Bankett 75:- Saengplats 30:-/natt Golvplats gratis Foerseningsavgift 30:- Betalning till postgiro SKA/Aros 47 58 35 - 5, och specifiera vad du betalar foer paa inbetalningskortet. Skicka ocksaa skriftlig anmaelan foere 10 november till autokraten : Tobias Tingloef Faenkaalsgatan 15 754 47 Uppsala tel : 018-24 12 51. Vaegbeskrivning : --------------------------- Ta E4 till Upsala. I rondellen (soeder om staden, det finns bara en) svaeng vaesterut mot centrum. Du aer nu paa Kungsaengsleden. Koer 8.3 km paa den haer vaegen. svaeng sedan hoeger mot Hammarskog, oever en liten bro. 100 meter efter bron ligger ett gult hus till vaenster om vaegen. Det aer Lurbo gaard. Om du aaker taag, promenera vaesterut (dvs rakt fram) fraan stationen tills du kommer till aan. Svaeng hoeger och gaa ungefaer ett kvarter laengs aastranden, saa hittar du en haallplats foer buss 23. Ta den till Lurbo bro. Gaa oever bron och promenera de 100 meterna till Lurbo gaard. Telefonnummer till Lurbo gaard aer 018-40 04 01 From nordmark-request Wed Aug 23 18:01:04 1995 Return-Path: bronia@mg.sunet.se Received: from decnet.sunet.se (decnet.sunet.se [192.36.125.5]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA21334 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:01:03 +0200 From: bronia@mg.sunet.se Received: from MG.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by decnet.sunet.se (5.57/2.01) id AA25938; Wed, 23 Aug 95 18:00:45 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 18:00:44 +0200 Message-Id: <9508231600.AA25938@decnet.sunet.se> To: "Nordmark@ludd.luth.se"@kth.sunet.se Subject: Live - aeven foer SCAiter... Silversparren eller guldsparren... ...eller kanske troettnat paa allt strul? Varfoer inte prova livevaerldens motsvarighet till "Compleat anachronist", naemligen det ideella fanzinet "Fea Livia". Fea har funnits i oever tvaa aar och har idag en upplaga paa 1200 ex. vilket goer den till den stoersta tidningen foer levande rollspel inom Sverige. Fea kommer ut ca 4 ggr per aar och har en proffsig layout som goers paa Konstfacks datorer. Paa 36 A4 finns artiklar om hantverk, teater, tidigare liver m.m. Dessutom ett kalendarium oever kommande arrangemang samt debatter och insaendare av de mest skiftande slag. Varje nummer har alltid ett tema, senast t.ex. rustningssmide med artiklar av bl.a. Niclas Weste'n, Mikael Nordin samt Bjoern Hellqvist. Andra teman har bl.a. varit gycklarkonster, draektsoemnad, liver i andra miljoeer aen fantasy/ medeltid etc. Loesnummer av tidningen kostar 30:- och en prenumeration pe 4 nr 80:-. Om du aer intresserad kan du hoera av dig till mig. Annars gaar Fea att koepa i ca 20-talet affaerer i Sveriges stoerre staeder. Prova naagot nytt!!! Haelsningar fraan Bronia, Feas red. P.S. Namnet Fea Livia aer skapat efter Tolkiens alvspraak Quenya och betyder ungefaer Livens ande. D.S. From nordmark-request Wed Aug 23 19:23:19 1995 Return-Path: mabr@norell.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA22750 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:23:18 +0200 From: mabr@norell.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id SAA17202; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:37:35 +0200 Message-ID: <199508231637.SAA17202@mail.swip.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 18:30 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: En naagot makaber historia (skaemt) ! Laes och begrunda !.......;) 1994's MOST BIZARRE SUICIDE At the 1994 annual awards dinner given by the American Association for Forensic Science, AAFS President Don Harper Mills astounded his audience in San Diego with the legal complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story. "On 23 March 1994, the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound of the head. The decedent had jumped from the top of a ten-story building intending to commit suicide (he left a note indicating his despondency). As he fell past the ninth floor, his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast through a window, which killed him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the decedent was aware that a safety net had been erected at the eighth floor level to protect some window washers and that Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide anyway because of this." "Ordinarily," Dr. Mills continued, "a person who sets out to commit suicide ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended. That Opus was shot on the way to certain death nine stories below probably would not have changed his mode of death from suicide to homicide. But the fact that his suicidal intent would not have been successful caused the medical examiner to feel that he had homicide on his hands. "The room on the ninth floor whence the shotgun blast emanated was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing and he was threatening her with the shotgun. He was so upset that, when he pulled the trigger, he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the a window striking Opus. "When one intends to kill subject A but kills subject B in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject B. When confronted with this charge, the old man and his wife were both adamant that neither knew that the shotgun was loaded. The old man said it was his long-standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her - therefore, the killing of Opus appeared to be an accident. That is, the gun had been accidentally loaded. "The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun approximately six weeks prior to the fatal incident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus. There was an exquisite twist. "Further investigation revealed that the son ÄRonald OpusÅ had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten-story building on March 23, only to be killed by a shotgun blast through a ninth story window. "The medical examiner closed the case as a suicide." From nordmark-request Wed Aug 23 20:10:02 1995 Return-Path: mabr@norell.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA23209 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:10:01 +0200 From: mabr@norell.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id TAA02679; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:08:45 +0200 Message-ID: <199508231708.TAA02679@mail.swip.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 19:00 +0100 To: bronia@mg.sunet.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: SV: Live - aeven foer SCAiter... >Varfoer inte prova livevaerldens motsvarighet till "Compleat anachronist", >naemligen det ideella fanzinet "Fea Livia". Fea har funnits i oever tvaa >aar och har idag en upplaga paa 1200 ex. vilket goer den till den stoersta >tidningen foer levande rollspel inom Sverige. Fea kommer ut ca 4 ggr per >aar och har en proffsig layout som goers paa Konstfacks datorer. Har prenumererat paa den sedan starten.....kul tidning ! Rekommenderas om man aer intresserad av baade live och SCA..;) ! Ciao Morgan// ====================================================== SCA : Morgan deGrey mabr@norell.se Mundane : M. Broman "What is life, but a fraction of nothing, made important by actions out of time." ShadowHawk ====================================================== From nordmark-request Thu Aug 24 08:54:24 1995 Return-Path: jkaksonen@unda.fi Received: from unda.fi (unda.fi [193.64.23.5]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA29454 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 08:54:23 +0200 Received: from titan.unda.fi by unda.fi (5.65c/94.2.11-MAI) id AA04176; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:56:29 +0300 Received: from nipsu.unda.fi by titan.unda.fi (4.1/MAI-94.2.12) id AA17575; Thu, 24 Aug 95 09:54:12 +0300 Received: by nipsu.unda.fi (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04895; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:54:45 --200 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:54:45 --200 From: jkaksonen@unda.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Message-Id: <9508240654.AA04895@nipsu.unda.fi> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Investiture in Aarnimetsa X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 2745 The investiture of Aarnimetsas baron Greetings people of the Known World The barony of Aarnimetsa invites all who are interested to partisipate in the investiture of lord Celestinus mac Criomhthainn as Aarnimetsas baron, on the 21 st of October. The event will take place at Puustelli workvillage which is located near the mundane town of Jyvaskyla (the 'a' letters should have dots on them), known as the village of Huuhkasalo in Aarnimetsa. The site opens on friday the 20th at 19.00 and closes on sunday the 22nd at 16.00. The main events will be on saturday, starting with a champion tourney at 11.00 and then continuing with courts and a feast into the night. There will also be an arts & science competition so feel free to bring items for it. The site is wet. Remember to bring your own sleeping bags and shoes for indoor use. Site fee for the event is 50 FIM, and the feast fee, which includes evening snack, breakfast, lunch and the feast is 110 FIM. There will be a bus transportation available from Helsinki on friday the 20th, leaving at 18.00 and it will leave the site at 12.00 on the 22nd to return to Helsinki at 17.00. The fee for the roundtrip is 120 FIM for travellers from Helsinki. The deadline for reservations for the bus, is the 9th of October. There's room for only 50 persons, but if enough people want to go with it, we'll try and get a second one. Gentles arriving at other times can contact the railroad ticket office from the number +358-0-7071 or for bus tickets from the number +358-0-642744. The cost of an ordinary bus or train from Helsinki or Turku is something close to 150 FIM for a one way ticket. If you want transportation from the bus- or railroadstation of Jyvaskyla, please inform your arrival time, and we will arrange someone to pick you up. Written registrations to the autocrat considering the event should be sent before the 11th of October. after that, the site fee rises to 80 FIM. The 17th of October is the last possible day to register. The registration should include: Mundane name, SCA name, address, phone, and what you have paid (Site fee, food, bus), also inform if you have any food allergies and if you need transportation in Jyvaskyla. So here are the fees once more: Site fee until 11th October 50 FIM after that 80 FIM food 110 FIM bus (the one we have rented) 120 FIM There is no refund for cancellations after the 17th of October. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact the autocrat. Autocrat: Lady Hedwig Kettuin Hansa Isokoski Kuunsirppi 2 C 130 02210 Espoo Finland Tel +358-0-85 96 447 E-Mail: hansa.isokoski@orion.mailnet.fi If her email address isn't reachable, you can also send email to the address jkaksonen@unda.fi From nordmark-request Thu Aug 24 15:20:12 1995 Return-Path: masc@sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA02667 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:20:08 +0200 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:19:50 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.38.193.5/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA04993; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:19:49 +0200 From: Marie Schroder Message-Id: <9508241319.AA04993@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: roesaring - arkeologins dag To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:19:48 METDST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.13i] Hej allihopa! Vi taenkte samla ihop en hoeg SCA-iter och vara med paa en guidad visning av Roesaring i Upplands-Bro Soendagen den 27/11 klockan 13,00. Roesaring aer vael vaert att se. En processionsvaeg som straecker sig fraan grunderna av ett hus bort till ett gaeng gravar, en labyrint, vidunderlig utsikt bortemot Birka och boplats laemningar i naerheten - detta fraan Bronsaaldern tror jag mig minnas. Vi har promenerat dit foerr men nu har vi chansen att faa en guidad tur dit i samband med att Arkeologins dag firas i Sverige. Vore jaette kul om saa maanga som moejligt kom. Medtag gaerna fika foer utflykt, om det regnar kan jag foermodligen fixa inomhusplats inte laangt daerifraan. Ring in eller skriv en liten anmaelan till mig masc@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com tel hem 08/386684 tel arb 08/4442444 saa talar jag om naer och hur vi traeffas! Vael moett! Marie d'Alise-Saint-Reine (Marie Schroeder) From nordmark-request Thu Aug 24 16:25:18 1995 Return-Path: fredrik.kurtson@allgon.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA03436 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:25:18 +0200 From: fredrik.kurtson@allgon.se Received: by mn3.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/2.01) id QAA12896; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:23:13 +0200 Message-ID: <199508241423.QAA12896@mn3.swip.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:20:13 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Arkeologins dag X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0469M Ta snarast kontakt med er lokala turistbyrå! Det händer massor av saker i hela landet. I norrort kommer det att fullt med aktiviteter i Täby och Åkersberga. I ÅB kommer det att vara en rodd, marknader, guidade turer vid massor av historiska platser. Detta är ett tillfälle som inte kommer tillbaka förren nästa år! From nordmark-request Thu Aug 24 17:31:40 1995 Return-Path: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA04187 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:31:40 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id PAA07477; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:21:17 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: bronia@mg.sunet.se Cc: @kth.sunet.se, Nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Live - aeven foer SCAiter... Date: 24 Aug 1995 14:39:34 GMT Message-Id: <2023346173.83140195@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Kolla med Lindorm som har n}gon liknande ide f|r den medeltida v{rlden! Tora From nordmark-request Thu Aug 24 18:31:20 1995 Return-Path: mabr@norell.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA04617 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 18:31:19 +0200 From: mabr@norell.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id SAA08543; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 18:37:36 +0200 Message-ID: <199508241637.SAA08543@mail.swip.net> Date: Thur, 24 Aug 1995 18:30 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Pennsic XXIV-rapport ! Pennsic XXIV (en kort rapport) ! ============= Hej allihop haer foeljer en kort rapport fraan Pennsic XXIV. Vaedret : Mycket varmt och fuktigt....de svala dusch- arna var mycket populaera. Boende : Vi var gaester i Outlands laeger. Daer vi blev mycket vael omhaendertagna. Aktiviteter (dagtid) : En del shopping, men oftast foer varmt paa dagarna. Mycket vila och slappande i skuggan. Aktiviteter (nattid) : Middagar, saang, musik och annat trevligt. Övrigt : Sjaelv fick jag aeran att representera Outlands i Champion-skyttet foer baagskyttar. Sir Prothall deltog i, och vann, Outlands fackelskenstornering. Han besegrade en Tutchuck i finalen. "Vivant" !!!! Kriget : Vi var betydligt faerre aen Oestra kungariket. Vi foerlorade faeltslaget pga att vi var foer faa. Prothall och jag var de sista tvaa oeverlevande fraan vaar sida. Vi foerlorade stadsslaget efter en mycket haard strid. Jag var en av de sex sista som var kvar fraan vaar sida i slutet. Vi foerlorade broslaget. Detta trots att underteck- nad (som foerde befael..;) ) lyckades krossa Atlantias armee paa min bro. De andra tvaa broarna foell och vi blev omringade paa slutet. Vi vann passlaget efter 1.5 timmars haard strid i vaermen. Mycket beroende paa baettre moral. Vi vann aeven det "brutna" faeltslaget. Haer ingick Sir Prothall i det haardnackade foersvaret vid det nedre baneret, medans undertecknad ingick i den trupp som tog det centrala baneret i slutstriden. Sammanfattning : Ett toppentrevligt evenemang, om aen naagot varmt. Mycket trevligt folk fraan olika konungariken. Traeffade en hel del baade gamla och nya vaenner. En hel del saang och musik, naagot vi borde goera mer haer i Nordmark. Jag har speciella haelsningar fraan Calontir till Lord Giles, och Lord Edmund. Samt ett stort grattis till Sir Sven och Lady Thora foer deras lille Ivar !!! NI KOMMER VAEL TILL PENNSIC XXV....???? STORT SCA-JUBILEUM !!! Ciao Morgan// ====================================================== SCA : Morgan deGrey mabr@norell.se Mundane : M. Broman "Fight with honour, without honour your victories are empty" ShadowHawk ====================================================== From nordmark-request Thu Aug 24 19:52:42 1995 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from jason.ludd.luth.se (jason.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.49]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA05464 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:52:41 +0200 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by jason.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id TAA14594 for nordmark; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:57:30 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:57:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199508241757.TAA14594@jason.ludd.luth.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Hj{lp!! Jag har f|rlagt flyttkortet jag fick fr}n Sir Elffin f|r ett bra tag sedan. Kan n}gon skicka mig en liten elektronisk lapp med hans telefonnummer s} blir jag glad. Tack p} f|rhand / Ulf Mj|dtunga From nordmark-request Fri Aug 25 07:38:45 1995 Return-Path: jkaksonen@unda.fi Received: from unda.fi (unda.fi [193.64.23.5]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA11679 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 07:38:44 +0200 Received: from titan.unda.fi by unda.fi (5.65c/94.2.11-MAI) id AA24940; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:41:00 +0300 Received: from nipsu.unda.fi by titan.unda.fi (4.1/MAI-94.2.12) id AA22832; Fri, 25 Aug 95 08:38:42 +0300 Received: by nipsu.unda.fi (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05605; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:39:15 --200 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:39:15 --200 From: jkaksonen@unda.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Message-Id: <9508250539.AA05605@nipsu.unda.fi> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: The investiture again X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 3148 Sorry to use up bandwidth, but in my dementy I forgot to include the postaccount number in the earlier announcement. Celestinus ************************************************************************** The investiture of Aarnimetsas baron Greetings people of the Known World The barony of Aarnimetsa invites all who are interested to partisipate in the investiture of lord Celestinus mac Criomhthainn as Aarnimetsas baron, on the 21 st of October. The event will take place at Puustelli workvillage which is located near the mundane town of Jyvaskyla (the 'a' letters should have dots on them), known as the village of Huuhkasalo in Aarnimetsa. The site opens on friday the 20th at 19.00 and closes on sunday the 22nd at 16.00. The main events will be on saturday, starting with a champion tourney at 11.00 and then continuing with courts and a feast into the night. There will also be an arts & science competition so feel free to bring items for it. The site is wet. Remember to bring your own sleeping bags and shoes for indoor use. Site fee for the event is 50 FIM, and the feast fee, which includes evening snack, breakfast, lunch and the feast is 110 FIM. There will be a bus transportation available from Helsinki on friday the 20th, leaving at 18.00 and it will leave the site at 12.00 on the 22nd to return to Helsinki at 17.00. The fee for the roundtrip is 120 FIM for travellers from Helsinki. The deadline for reservations for the bus, is the 9th of October. There's room for only 50 persons, but if enough people want to go with it, we'll try and get a second one. Gentles arriving at other times can contact the railroad ticket office from the number +358-0-7071 or for bus tickets from the number +358-0-642744. The cost of an ordinary bus or train from Helsinki or Turku is something close to 150 FIM for a one way ticket. If you want transportation from the bus- or railroadstation of Jyvaskyla, please inform your arrival time, and we will arrange someone to pick you up. Written registrations to the autocrat considering the event should be sent before the 11th of October. after that, the site fee rises to 80 FIM. The 17th of October is the last possible day to register. The registration should include: Mundane name, SCA name, address, phone, and what you have paid (Site fee, food, bus), also inform if you have any food allergies and if you need transportation in Jyvaskyla. So here are the fees once more: Site fee until 11th October 50 FIM after that 80 FIM food 110 FIM bus (the one we have rented) 120 FIM Payment should be done to the Post account: SCA Aarnimetsa, PSP 800019-530651 foreigners can also pay at the site. There is no refund for cancellations after the 17th of October. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact the autocrat. Autocrat: Lady Hedwig Kettuin Hansa Isokoski Kuunsirppi 2 C 130 02210 Espoo Finland Tel +358-0-85 96 447 E-Mail: hansa.isokoski@orion.mailnet.fi If her email address isn't reachable, you can also send email to the address jkaksonen@unda.fi ***************************************************************************** From nordmark-request Fri Aug 25 15:24:28 1995 Return-Path: mabr@norell.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA16942 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:24:27 +0200 From: mabr@norell.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id PAA01097; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:30:45 +0200 Message-ID: <199508251330.PAA01097@mail.swip.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:23 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: VB: Post Pennsic Blues Hmmm......kanske kan roa en del av er...;) Ciao Morgan// ******************************************************************** Wyllow is suffering from an excess of grief from missing the War I think.... --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Just a ditty Date: 95-08-23 18:51:14 EDT From: LadyWyllow To: Jacquetta (to the tune of "You've Lost that Lovin' Feelin'") There's no dirt anymore underneath your fingertips... And there's no morning wake up ants crawling on your lips... You're trying hard not to show it, but Malcolm, Jacquetta, I know it... You've lost that Pennsic feelin' that kicking a golf cart feelin' You've lost that Pennsic feelin', now your feet are clean, oooh, oooh, oooh, oooh. Da dum, da dum, da dum dum There's no welcome look in your eyes when you're handed a beer... And crashing armor and snoring sleepers you don't want to hear... It makes you just feel like sleeping, 'cause baby, your eyeballs are leaping. You've lost that Pennsic feelin', that dust in your nostrils feelin' You've lost that Pennsic feelin', now you're home, home, home, and back to work. Da dum, da dum dum MALCOLM! 'WITHA! 'GUNDA! GUNTAR! I NEED A BEER! NOW GIMME SOME BEER! You've lost that Pennsic feelin', disrupting a vigil feelin', You've lost that Pennsic feelin' now the tent is down, oooh, oooh, oooh, oooh. Bring back that Pennsic feeling Woodsmoke and drunken feeling Bring back that Pennsic feeling, Without the golf sweeps, oooh, oooh, oooh, oooh. --yes, I'll get a life soon enough! Wyllow From nordmark-request Fri Aug 25 16:36:24 1995 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from toby.ludd.luth.se (toby.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.22]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA18074 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:36:23 +0200 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by toby.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA13542 for nordmark; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:36:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 16:36:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199508251436.QAA13542@toby.ludd.luth.se> To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Elffin's nummer..... ......har jag nu f}tt, tack alla hj{lpsamma. F|rresten.....dricker SCA'are mycket???? Inte vet jag...de {r v{l periodare... :-D Hej hopp / Ulf From nordmark-request Sun Aug 27 10:14:38 1995 Return-Path: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA10180 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:14:38 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id KAA27870; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:20:55 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: n{sta Sparre Date: 27 Aug 1995 09:42:17 GMT Message-Id: <6946814.97647496@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Hej Nu f}r du snart Sparren i brevl}dan. lite tunt papper (det hade vi inte best{llt, ska f|rhoppningsvis bli b{ttre i n{sta) och som sagt, jag blir glad om du hittar fler fel {n "Skatm{stare" p} de }terkommande sidorna... Till n{sta nummer vore jag j{tteglad om ni som har scanner och n}gra medeltida bilder kunde scanna dem i t ex TIFF, gr}skala och skicka mig en diskett. M{rk disketten s} kommer den tillbaka. (Jag har ingen scann-m|jlighet och utan dig blir det inga bilder i Sparren och det }r ju synd. (Den g}r p} diskett till trycket, s} det g}r inte att ta fram saxen.) Manusstopp {r p} fredag kl 12.00 och manusstopp {r manusstopp... Nej, nu ska jag p} arkeologidag p} R|saring, see you, Tora From nordmark-request Tue Aug 29 19:15:36 1995 Return-Path: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA19390 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:15:34 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id TAA12725; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:21:55 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: hj{lp med runor! Date: 29 Aug 1995 18:16:59 GMT Message-Id: <1851850751.7102456@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Hej Jag har f}tt en sv}r n|t. Kan n}n lite merrunor {n jag? Stenen st}r utanf|r Vallentuna kyrka. Jag har f}tt veta att den {r skriven med den vikingatida runraden (16 tecken). Den har tv} slingor och jag vet att jag l{ser dem fr}n r{tt h}ll (har f}tt instruktion) och ett kors mellan dem. N{r jag i mina tafatta f|rs|k skriver |ver tecknen till latinska tecken blir jag inte klokare. Jag f}r:(f|rsta slingan) ia ulabaki lituaisa stin thin ntsik kuikuan (andra slingan) auk thinkstath thianka uthi auk ainati aithuitari thia Jag har satt mellanslag dels d{r det finns mellanslagstecken (ett kryss) och dels d{r runorna st}r lite mer is{r. Att ett tecken flera g{nger kommer samma efter varann bekymrar mig lite. {r det n}gon som till }ventyrs kan tyda det, eller som k{nner till stenen i fr}ga och vet vad som st}r? Svara sanbbt sn{lla! Tora From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 09:41:38 1995 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.230.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA03319 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:41:37 +0200 Received: (from leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA01363 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:42:04 +0200 From: Leif Euren Message-Id: <199508300742.JAA01363@world.celsiustech.se> Subject: Re: hj{lp med runor! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (Nordmark Mailing List) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:42:04 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 748 > Jag har f}tt en sv}r n|t. Kan n}n lite merrunor {n jag? Nja, jag vet inte, men vi g|r ett f|rs|k. Tillsammans ska vi kanske kunna l|sa (dvs l{sa) stenen. > (f|rsta slingan) ia ulabaki lituaisa stin thin ntsik kuikuan "lituaisa stin thin" ska nog vara "lit raisa stin thin" dvs "l{t resa denna sten", Jag har {ven vissa minnen om en uttydning, som innefattade en viss Jarlabanke. Kan det vara han som }syftas? "ia ulabaki" => " Jag, Jarlabanke"? > (andra slingan) auk thinkstath thianka uthi auk ainati aithuitari thia "auk" = "och" s}vitt jag vet, s} "ntsik kuikuan auk thinkstath thianka" b|r vara en 'mening' precis som "uthi auk ainati aithuitari thia" [r det till n}gon hj{lp? Jag {r bara en glad amat|r. /Peder From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 14:11:18 1995 Return-Path: fafner@ludd.luth.se Received: from hal.ludd.luth.se (hal.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.4]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07144 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:11:17 +0200 Received: (fafner@localhost) by hal.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA05234; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:11:12 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:11:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter Torlind To: Nordmark Mailing List Subject: Frostheims G{stabud Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset= Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE FROSTHEIMS G=C4STABUD 6-8 OKTOBER=20 Frostheim inbjuder alla och en var till att deltaga i Frostheims =E5rliga G= =E4stabud 6-8 Oktober. Under fredagskv=E4llen kommer v=E4rdshuset att ha =F6ppet, d=E4r den sedvan= liga flugsvampen serveras. S=E5ng och fest natten l=E5ng (Natten =E4r l=E5n= g denna tid p=E5 =E5ret). P=E5 l=F6rdagen kommer troligen ett rustningsbyggaruniversitet att h=E5llas= med=20 m=E4ster Erik =C5lstene som universitetslektor. Samtidigt kommer en dans oc= h s=E5ng att l=E4ras ut. Naturligtvis kan man syssels=E4tta sig med skojiga= aktiviteter som att sl=E5 varandra med rott ingpinnar, ut=F6va pilb=E5gsskytte och liknande aktiviteter. Senare p=E5 k= v=E4llen kommer den stora banketten att h=E5llas, i =E5r med mer =E4n brukl= igt skoj (allts=E5 roligare =E4n f=F6rr, =E4r det m=F6jligt?).=20 N=E4r natten =F6verg=E5tt till morgon brukar banketten ha avslutats och vi = packar ihop v=E5ra pinaler, st=E4dar, =E4ter lunch och b=F6rjar t=E4nka p= =E5 hemf=E4rden.=20 =20 Sista anm=E4lningsdag =E4r 25/9, d=E4refter tilkommer en f=F6rseningsavgift= p=E5 50 SEK. Betalning sker till till postgirokonto 471 93 70-1 (SKA/Frost= heim). Ange medeltids namn, normalt namn, adress, telefon, vad du betalar = f=F6r och ev. allergier, vegetarianism ell er liknade. Inga djur =E4r v=E4lkommna den h=E4r g=E5ngen heller! KOSTNADER Middag fredag=09=0930:- Frukost l=F6rdag=09=0915 :- Lunch l=F6rdag=09=0920 :- Bankett l=F6rdag =09=09100:- Frukost s=F6ndag=09=0915:- Lunch s=F6ndag=09=0920 :- F=F6rseningsavgift efter den 30/9 50:- Ta med er feastgear och egen dryck till banketten. Alkohol =E4r till=E5tet.= M=E5ltiderna samt banketten =E4r tidsenliga, dvs glasflaskor, elljus och l= iknande =E4r f=F6rbjudet. S=E5 gl=F6m inte ta med vaxljus, kandelabrar, kru= s och dukar! HUR HITTAR JAG DIT? Med bil... K=F6r E4 an mot Lule=E5, ta sen v=E4g 97 mot Boden. F=F6lj v=E4g 97, genom = Boden och vidare mot Jokkmokk, efter ett par km kommer ni till Vittj=E4rv. = K=F6r genom byn tills ni ser skylten med Frostheim p=E5, f=F6lj denna. Fram= me! Med t=E5g, flyg eller b=E5t... Lule=E5 har b=E5de t=E5gstation, flygplats(Kallax) och hamn, kontakta Autok= raten s=E5 ordnar vi h=E4mtning. AUTOKRAT: Karl Alrune (Peter T=F6rlind) Docentv=E4gen 471 977 52 Lule=E5 0920-976 95 e-mail: fafner@ludd.luth.se DIVERSOKRAT: Styrbj=F6rn Halte (L.J=F6rgen =D6hman) V=E4nordsv=E4gen 6:27 977 54 Lule=E5 0920-211 637 e-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se =C4n en g=E5ng... Ta med er varma kl=E4der, det =E4r Oktober och ni kommer = att bes=F6ka den k=E4nda v=E4rldens nordligaste grupp. =09=09=09=09=09=09=09=09V=E4lkommna Detta finns =E4ven p=E5: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~fafner/nordmark/evenemang= /gast.html From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 14:13:12 1995 Return-Path: fafner@ludd.luth.se Received: from hal.ludd.luth.se (hal.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.4]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07172 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:13:11 +0200 Received: (fafner@localhost) by hal.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA05240; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:13:06 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:13:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter Torlind To: Nordmark Mailing List Subject: Feast of Frostheim Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset= Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE FEAST OF FROSTHEIM 6TH-8TH OF OCTOBER=20 Frostheim invites all inhibitants of the known world (we also invites every= one of the unknown world), to the feast of Frostheim. At the Friday night the taberna will be open and there the well known vikin= g mushrooms will be available. Singing, party all night long (I warn you , = the nights in Northen part of Sweden are long this time of the year). On Saturday an armour building university probably held by Master Erik =C5l= stene (if he cant attend we put proboscicis shoes and puffed trousers on Lo= rd Erik, and let him hold the university). We also like Dancing, Singing, A= rchering and Fighting so we will practice this activitetes . Later that night the big banquet will be hold,= (larger, more fun than ever! Is that possible?). When the night isn=B4t night anymore, we put ourself toghter, clean the mes= s, eat lunch end prepare us for the long voyage home! Written registrations to the autocrat considering the event should be sent = before the 25th of Sept after that an aditional fee of 50 SEK will be char= ged.=20 Payment to Swedish Postal Giro 471 93 70-1 (SKA/Frostheim). Write down you= r SCA-name, mundane-name, address, telefon, what your are paying for, and a= ny special food. It is also possible to pay at the door, but a written registration must be = sent to the Autocrat. No animals are welcome! FEES (SEK) Dinner friday=09=0930:- Breakfast saturdat=0915 :- Lunch saturday=09=0920 :- Banquet saturday=09100:- Breakfast sunday=0915:- Lunch sunday =09=0920:- Bring all your medievel feast gear, because we will hold the banquette as m= edievel as possible.=0D=0D HOW DO I ATTEND THE FEAST OF FROSTHEIM? In Lule=E5 there is an Airport, a Railwaystation, and a Port. If you travel= by plane, train or boat, please contact us and we will meet you when you a= rrve. If you travel by Car, contact us and we will send you a map. AUTOCRAT: Karl Alrune (Peter T=F6rlind) Docentv=E4gen 471 977 52 Lule=E5 +46 (0)920-976 95 e-mail: fafner@ludd.luth.se VARIOUSOCRAT: Styrbj=F6rn Halte (L.J=F6rgen =D6hman) V=E4nordsv=E4gen 6:27 977 54 Lule=E5 +46 (0)920-211 637 e-mail: xordph@ludd.luth.se=0D=0D And... Bring warm clothes, we are the uttermost north group in the known wo= rld! =09=09=09 =09=09=09=09=09=09=09Welcome This information is also availabel at: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~fafner/nord= mark/gast_e.html From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 14:41:50 1995 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from minerva.ludd.luth.se (minerva.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.25]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07852 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:41:49 +0200 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by minerva.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA04416 for nordmark; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:41:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199508301241.OAA04416@minerva.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Re: Feast of Frostheim To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:41:44 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Peter Torlind" at Aug 30, 95 02:13:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 213 R{ttelse !! > > This information is also availabel at: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~fafner/nord= > mark/gast_e.html > > > > http://www.ludd.luth.se/~fafner/nordmark/evenemang/gast_e.html /Styrbj|rn, r{ttare. From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 15:46:20 1995 Return-Path: Lennart.Ryman@nordiska.uu.se Received: from columba.udac.uu.se (columba.UDAC.UU.SE [130.238.4.133]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA08984 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:46:20 +0200 From: Lennart.Ryman@nordiska.uu.se Received: from strix.UDAC.UU.SE by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA57934 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:47:25 +0200 Received: from nordlr.nordiska.uu.se by strix.udac.uu.se (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22928; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:38:16 +0200 X-Sender: nordlr@strix.udac.uu.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:46:45 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Runor Hej! Tora har laest lite fel. Laes om stenen i Sven B.F. Jansson ("Run-Janne"): Runinskrifter i Sverige 1984 s.126, bild s. 128. (Jansson verkar dock saetta in runor som inte finns att laesa paa stenen, vilket kanske aer pedagogiskt riktigt, men foervirrande om man vill laesa stenen sjaelv.) Mer utfoerligt i Upplands runinskrifter 1 (sten nr) U 212. Se vidare om Jarlabanke, vikingatidens skrytsammaste man, i uppsatsen Jarlabanke och hundaret av Helmer Gustavsson och Klas-Goeran Selinge. (I: Namn och bygd 76, 1988.) Ketilmund From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 18:23:29 1995 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA10783 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:23:27 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA14773 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for NML ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:23:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:23:22 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek Subject: Re: hj{lp med runor! (fwd) To: NML Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:21:14 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud labtek To: Anna Frimodig Subject: Re: hj{lp med runor! On 29 Aug 1995, Anna Frimodig wrote: > Hej > Jag har f}tt en sv}r n|t. Kan n}n lite merrunor {n jag? > Stenen st}r utanf|r Vallentuna kyrka. Jag har f}tt veta att den {r skriven > med den vikingatida runraden (16 tecken). Den har tv} slingor och jag vet att > jag l{ser dem fr}n r{tt h}ll (har f}tt instruktion) och ett kors mellan dem. Ur "Runinskrifter i Sverige" av Sven BF Jansson (sid 126): "...Jarlabakestenen vid Vallentuna kyrka. Den ena av inskrifterna p} denna sten, som {r ristad p} tv} sidor, lyder n{mligen: x iarlabaki x lit raisa x stain x +ina x at sik x kuikuan x auk x +inksta+ x kar+i x auk x ain ati x alt huntari x +ita x *Iarlabanki let raeisa staein +enna at sik kvikvan, ok +ingstad +enna gaerdi, ok aein atti alt hundari +etta* ... Inskriften l{mnar oss allts} den intressanta upplysningen, att Jarlabanke medan han levde , och att han ensam <{gde hela detta hundare>." /UlfR + aer th (thorn), foer att goera det hela tydligare har jag lagt till mellanslag vid kryssen. Text mellan * {r Run-Jannes tolkning. Name: Paer K.G. Leijonhufvud Oh, *practice*. I don't mind Email: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se *practising*. So long as we Voice: +46-(0)8-758 8459 (home) don't have to do it for real. snail://Sweden/18331/Taby/Nasbydalsvagen.8/Par.Leijonhufvud From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 20:15:36 1995 Return-Path: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA12101; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:15:34 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id UAA20565; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:21:56 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: fafner@ludd.luth.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Frostheims G{stabud Date: 30 Aug 1995 20:06:21 GMT Message-Id: <1338892283.12657093@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Hej! Har du lust att skicka mig en kopia av Frostheims g{stabud med m}svingar ist{llet, det var en himla massa mystiska tecken nu :-( och jag t{nkte att den kunde v{l vara bra att ta med i Sparren... (min server grejjar inte riktigt det d{r med 8 bitar:-I) Tora From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 20:15:40 1995 Return-Path: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA12107 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:15:39 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id UAA20586; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:22:00 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: Par.Leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Re: hj{lp med runor! (fwd) Date: 30 Aug 1995 20:12:02 GMT Message-Id: <1851850750.12657137@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Tack f|r hj{lpen! (det var en introduktion till |versikten |ver spr}khistorian inf|r spt}kv}rd och spr}kf|r{ndring som vi ska l{sa nu) Tora From nordmark-request Wed Aug 30 20:15:37 1995 Return-Path: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA12103 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:15:36 +0200 Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id UAA20575; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:21:58 +0200 From: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se (Anna Frimodig) Reply-To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se To: Lennart.Ryman@nordiska.uu.se Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Runor Date: 30 Aug 1995 20:10:04 GMT Message-Id: <53245.12657115@ssco.se> Organization: ssco Hej Jag har tyv{rr inte sagda verk och har inte hunnit f{ studiel}net {n :-( ... Egentligen l{ser jag nte runor, utan en |versikt |ver spr}khistorien f|r att komma in p} spr}kf|r{ndring och spr}kv}rd, s} det {r nog inte s} underligt om jag inte l{ste r{tt! Vi fick uppgiften som kuriosa inf|r f|rsta f|rel{sningen, men eftersom jag jobbat med Runm{rkt p} Medeltidsmuset tyckte jag att det vore piffigt att ha kunnat ta sig iggenom betydelsen ocks}. N}v{l, tack f|r hj}lpen i alla fall! Tora From nordmark-request Thu Aug 31 22:36:44 1995 Return-Path: JPilcher@msmail.radisys.com Received: from uu11.psi.com (uu11.psi.com [38.8.24.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA01161 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:36:27 +0200 Received: from radisys.radisys.com by uu11.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.940727-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA26845 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Thu, 31 Aug 95 16:31:34 -0400 Received: from msmail.radisys.com by radisys.radisys.com id aa00585; 31 Aug 95 13:30 PDT Received: by msmail.radisys.com with Microsoft Mail id <30461BF6@msmail.radisys.com>; Thu, 31 Aug 95 13:30:46 PDT From: Jim Pilcher To: Scott Peterson , antir , "'bluefeather'" , Vergil , calontir , carolingia , Dave Moreland , Griff Griffith , ELENI , jmork To: MizzZelda , nordmark , Dave Pipgras , "Hayes, Robin" , sca-lochac , REFORM SCA , sca-west , SUERENHARD Subject: The Annoyance Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 13:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <30461BF6@msmail.radisys.com> Encoding: 19 TEXT, 1082 UUENCODE X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-Ms-Attachment: ANNOY6.DOC 48384 08-30-1995 14:04 Milords and Ladies, Fruits, Nuts, and Cheeses, ($5 to the soul who can tell me who said that first,) The Annoyance, a publication of Humour, Satire, News, and Reform, is attached to this mail. 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