From nordmark-request Mon Sep 2 08:10:22 1996 Return-Path: kalix@ludd.luth.se Received: from adolf.ludd.luth.se (adolf.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.9]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id IAA11103 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:10:21 +0200 From: "Gunnar \stlund" Received: (kalix@localhost) by adolf.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA04542 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:10:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199609020610.IAA04542@adolf.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Anm{lningar To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:10:19 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hejsan alla! R{tta mig om jag har fel, men anm{lningar till inb|rdeskriget {r v{l knappast av s} allm{nt intresse att det {r n|dv{ndigt att publicera dem s} att alla kan ta del av dem. Skulle det inte vara b{ttre att posta dem direkt till mottagaren? :) /MVH Johan Knutsson -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunnar Ostlund | Johan Knutsson, vet alltid b{st och kalix@ludd.luth.se | har alltid r{tt till dess motsatsen har 130.240.16.3 | bekr{ftats genom holmg}ng eller annan (If anyone asks what my | oemots{glig bevisf|ring som framlagts p} ett opinions are, I will | |vertygande, definitivt och blodigt s{tt. definitely deny them.) | H}lla fred kan man g|ra i graven! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nordmark-request Mon Sep 2 09:05:31 1996 Return-Path: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se Received: from hermes.pub.mil.se ([193.241.212.198]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA12312 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:05:30 +0200 Received: from [193.241.212.85] ([193.241.212.85]) by hermes.pub.mil.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA19792 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:06:24 -0400 X-Sender: jan.frelin@hermes.pub.mil.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:09:58 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se (Jan Frelin) Subject: Re: Anm{lningar Status: OR >Hejsan alla! > >R{tta mig om jag har fel, men anm{lningar till inb|rdeskriget >{r v{l knappast av s} allm{nt intresse att det {r n|dv{ndigt att >publicera dem s} att alla kan ta del av dem. >Skulle det inte vara b{ttre att posta dem direkt till mottagaren? :) > > /MVH Johan Knutsson > >-- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > Gunnar Ostlund | Johan Knutsson, vet alltid b{st och > kalix@ludd.luth.se | har alltid r{tt till dess motsatsen har > 130.240.16.3 | bekr{ftats genom holmg}ng eller annan >(If anyone asks what my | oemots{glig bevisf|ring som framlagts p} ett > opinions are, I will | |vertygande, definitivt och blodigt s{tt. > definitely deny them.) | H}lla fred kan man g|ra i graven! >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- Jo, men nu =E4r ju inte bandbreddsf=F6rbrukningen s=E5 himla stor p=E5= NMLen... men det =E4r kanske dax f=F6r en "hoppsan" fr=E5n Walderik =E4nd=E5. MVH, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge, Shire of Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin, Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@pub.mil.se From nordmark-request Mon Sep 2 09:28:25 1996 Return-Path: roa@jonkoping.mail.telia.com Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA12886 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:28:24 +0200 Received: from d1o9.telia.com (root@d1o9.telia.com [194.236.185.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA15205 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:28:23 +0200 Received: from t10o9p5.telia.com (t10o9p5.telia.com [194.236.185.159]) by d1o9.telia.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28731 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:28:22 +0200 Message-ID: <322B0B4C.1B2E@jonkoping.mail.telia.com> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 09:29:00 -0700 From: Roger Antonijev X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Anmälningar Inbördes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: OR Tja en liten missuppfattning har nog skett! Det är inte meningen att anmälningarna till inbördes skall skickas till prathögen, helt ok att skicka via e-mail men adressen till Juneborgs autokrat är då: walderik@algonet.se (Mats Bergstrom) Det går också bra att skicka till mig, som kommer att ta hand om trollandet på inbördes. roa@jonkoping.mail.telia.com (Roger Antonijev) /Jakob Mörke, Krönikör Juneborg From nordmark-request Mon Sep 2 11:08:35 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA14798 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:08:34 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA02134 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:51:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:51:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199609020851.AA02134@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: Contacting the Board; New topic for consideration Status: OR Fick det h=E4r via Grand Council- listan. Kan kanske intressera? Frithiof --------------- Forwarded Message --------------- >From: "Pat McGregor" > >Greetings from siobhan medhbh o'roarke, one of the maintainers >of the SCA online presence. > >[SCA List digesters and Maintainers, please forward to your >lists if they are not listed above. Thanks!] > >I am very happy to tell you that we have made it possible for you >to write to the Board electronically without needing to know all >their electronic mail addresses, or needing to know exactly who is >sitting on the Board at any given moment. > >You can write to the Board at: directors@sca.org > >Other folks you can contact include: > >Treasurer: treasurer@sca.org >Society Seneschal: seneschal@sca.org >Chronicler: chronicler@sca.org > >General Questions about the SCA are answered at: questions@sca.org > >More of these addresses are in the works. Keep up to date on >who is available by reading: > http://www.sca.org/contact.html > >New Projects and Topics: > >**The IAC has made a new proposal concerning banishment. Read >about it (and send commentary to the Board) via: > >http://www.sca.org/BOD/banish.html > >**Uncertain what group a given City or state is in? Check out >http://www.sca.org/findsca.html > >**Coming soon: change your address with the Registry via an >online form. Watch for details on the SCA web page. > >For suggestions on the Web site or Online presence, send to: > webfolk@sca.org > >I remain, in Service, > siobhan >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >Siobhan Medhbh O'Roarke / Pat McGregor/ siobhan@lloyd.com >House Northmark, Mountain's Gate, Cynagua, The West > http://www.lloyd.com/~patmcg/sca.index.html > > From nordmark-request Mon Sep 2 11:11:59 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA14879 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:11:57 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA02170 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:55:17 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:55:17 +0200 Message-Id: <199609020855.AA02170@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: SCA Crossroads Status: OR H=E4r =E4r litet mer som kom via GC-listan: Frithiof, igen. --------------- Forwarded Message --------------- >Unto the gentles of the Known World doth Angus mac Taggart, virtual scribe >for the SCA Crossroads, bid greetings. > >The Crossroads to the Society for Creative Anachronism is a WebSite that >hosts links to every kingdom in the SCA, as well as, the baronies, shires, >cantons, colleges, etc. that compose these kingdoms. It has links to items >of interest, including heraldry, cooking, brewing, historical sites, and so >forth. I would like to add commercial sites that deal with items of >interest to the populace of the Known World. > >In general, I would like the SCA Crossroads to be a crossroads in much more >than name only. One should find at least one link to anything that she or >he is looking for. > >I have been working on these Crossroads for over 6 months. I have much more >to do, but I would appreciate comments, criticisms, and suggestions for >improvements and additions to these Crossroads. > >The address to the Crossroads is http://www.eden.com/~aquinas/sca/sca.html > >In service to the Barony of Bryn Gwlad, the Kingdom of Ansteorra, and The >Dream. > >Angus mac Taggart >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~ > >Angus mac Taggart aquinas@eden.com >http://www.eden.com/~aquinas/sca/sca.html >400 W. Anderson Ln. # 5209, Austin TX 78752 512.837.6688 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~ > > Frithiof the friendly herald From nordmark-request Mon Sep 2 18:30:44 1996 Return-Path: walderik@algonet.se Received: from ratatosk.algonet.se (mail.algonet.se [194.213.74.38]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id SAA26412; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:30:32 +0200 Received: from (walderik@sophocles.algonet.se [194.213.74.12]) by ratatosk.algonet.se (8.7.4/hdw.1.0) with SMTP id SAA05893; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:31:06 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <322B8E56.2831@algonet.se> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:48:06 -0700 From: Mats Bergstrom X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gunnar stlund CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Anm{lningar References: <199609020610.IAA04542@adolf.ludd.luth.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: OR Gunnar stlund wrote: > > Hejsan alla! > > R{tta mig om jag har fel, men anm{lningar till inb|rdeskriget > {r v{l knappast av s} allm{nt intresse att det {r n|dv{ndigt att > publicera dem s} att alla kan ta del av dem. > Skulle det inte vara b{ttre att posta dem direkt till mottagaren? :) > > /MVH Johan Knutsson > Mitt fel, jag ber hemskt mycket om ursäkt för alla meddelanden jag råkade posta till Nordmarkslistan. De var avsedda till en vän, men jag råkade av misstag inkludera Nordmark i sändlistan. Jag upptäckte tyvärr inte felet förräns nu, när du skrev. Hemskt ledsen Walderik From nordmark-request Mon Sep 2 20:26:13 1996 Return-Path: walderik@algonet.se Received: from ratatosk.algonet.se (mail.algonet.se [194.213.74.38]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id UAA29292 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:26:11 +0200 Received: from (walderik@sophocles.algonet.se [194.213.74.12]) by ratatosk.algonet.se (8.7.4/hdw.1.0) with SMTP id UAA22987 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:25:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <322BA915.4DDD@algonet.se> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 20:42:13 -0700 From: Mats Bergstrom X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Pennsic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: OR Om någon är intresserad av hur det såg ut på Pennsic i år, kan ni söka upp följande sida: HTTP://www.algonet.se/~walderik/pennsic.htm mvh Walderik From nordmark-request Tue Sep 3 09:27:26 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA11114 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:27:25 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA08654 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:10:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:10:44 +0200 Message-Id: <199609030710.AA08654@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: Banishment Proposals -- Alternate Received Status: OR Mer av allm=E4nt intresse som dykt upp p=E5 GC-listan: >Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:34:17 EDT >From: Margo Lynn Hablutzel <72672.2312@CompuServe.COM> >Subject: Banishment Proposals -- Alternate Received > >--------------- Forwarded Message --------------- > > >Greetings from siobhan, one of the keepers of the SCA, Inc., website. > >The Board has received an alternate Banishment proposal from >William Colbert. It is posted (along with the one from the IAC) >at > > http://www.sca.org/BOD > >List distributors, please forward to your lists. Also, I cannot >post to the Outlands, Middlebridge, or Lochac lists, so if some kind soul >will cross-post this there, I'd appreciate. > >Please read and send your comments on both these proposals to the Board. > >Thank you! > > siobhan m. >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D >Siobhan Medhbh O'Roarke / Pat McGregor/ siobhan@lloyd.com >House Northmark, Mountain's Gate, Cynagua, The West > http://www.lloyd.com/~patmcg/sca.index.html Frithiof the friendly herald From nordmark-request Tue Sep 3 18:17:39 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id SAA22417 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:17:38 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id QAA28355; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:17:45 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Date: 03 Sep 1996 17:01:29 GMT Message-Id: <2432888830.2503359@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR Hej, finns det naagon som kan foerklara foer en relativ nyboerjare varfoer SCA valt just tidsramen 600 - 1600? Ju mer jag grubblar paa saken dessto mer fraagande blir jag. Aer de valda "helt paa maafaa"? Jag kan inte riktigt binda dem till naagra historiska haendelser, men de kanske finns? /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Tue Sep 3 18:17:41 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id SAA22420 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:17:40 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id QAA28391; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 16:17:47 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Brygga mjoed? Date: 03 Sep 1996 17:01:39 GMT Message-Id: <52359134.2503489@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR Hej, Jag aer aegare till den trevliga boken _Oerter och kryddor_ av Avril Rodway (orig. _Herbs and Spices - growing, cooking and using nature's most practical plants_). Bland mycket annat matnyttigt finns aeven ett mjoed-recept. Jag aer sugen paa att proeva det, *men* det aer mycket tidsoedande (foerst jaesning, sen lagring i 9 maanader foere upptappning). Finns det naagon som har provat detta recept och kan avge ett omdoeme? Aer det vaert besvaeret? /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Tue Sep 3 19:11:55 1996 Return-Path: gilliam@wineasy.se Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA23430 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:11:54 +0200 Received: from [193.12.69.43] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.01.03) id za087671; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:13:25 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960903171057.00674c6c@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: gilliam@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 19:10:57 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Anders Olsson Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR Hejsan. > finns det naagon som kan foerklara foer en relativ nyboerjare varfoer SCA >valt just tidsramen 600 - 1600? Ju mer jag grubblar paa saken dessto mer >fraagande blir jag. Aer de valda "helt paa maafaa"? Jag kan inte riktigt >binda dem till naagra historiska haendelser, men de kanske finns? Medeltiden brukar definieras som tiden mellan antiken och ren=E4ssansen.= Dessa tidpunker varierar naturligtvis mellan olika platser i Europa. 600-1600 =E4r en ganska gener=F6s tidsbest=E4mning av medeltiden. /Gilliam --------------------------------------------------- Anders Olsson (SCA: Gilliam Blackhorn) e-mail home: gilliam@wineasy.se e-mail work: anders.olsson@era.ericsson.se From nordmark-request Tue Sep 3 22:51:27 1996 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from mamba.csd.uu.se (mamba.csd.uu.se [130.238.16.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id WAA28439 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:51:25 +0200 From: vader@csd.uu.se Received: (from vader@localhost) by mamba.csd.uu.se (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA12116; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:51:24 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:51:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199609032051.WAA12116@mamba.csd.uu.se> To: vidumavi@online.idg.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <2432888830.2503359@online.idg.se> (vidumavi@online.idg.se) Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR Widumawi fr}gade: >finns det naagon som kan foerklara foer en relativ nyboerjare varfoer SCA >valt just tidsramen 600 - 1600? Den bakre gr{nsen 600 finns egentligen inte, s}vitt jag vet. I alla fall inte i Corpora. Den {r mest en muntlig tradition. Vidare finns det fort- farande en hel del folk i USA som envist p}st}r att den senare gr{nsen g}r vid 1650... Orsaken till 1600 som gr{ns torde vara att man inte ville avbilda den epok d} eldvapnen tog |ver krigstekniken fr}n blankvapnen. Fast elaka tungor s{ger att det egentligen var meningen att man skulle ha 1500 som gr{ns, men det fanns d} en massa feta amerikanska damer som absolut inte kunde t{nka sig att visa sig i n}got annat {n en tudor/elisabetansk kl{nning... s} flyttade man fram tiden. William de Corbie From nordmark-request Tue Sep 3 23:13:43 1996 Return-Path: jokke@celes.pp.fi Received: from personal.eunet.fi (personal.eunet.fi [192.26.119.11]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id XAA28977 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:13:42 +0200 Received: from celes.pp.fi by personal.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA11654 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:13:39 +0300 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:13:39 +0300 Message-Id: <199609032113.AA11654@personal.eunet.fi> X-Sender: celes@personal.eunet.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: jokke@celes.pp.fi (Jokke Kaksonen) Subject: Searching for Petrus X-Mailer: Status: OR Sorry to bother the list, but my only email reference to Petrus is that he is reading the Nordmark mailing list. So I'm looking for the Petrus who is a fencer and was one of the innkeepers during Wisby this year. Celestinus mac Criomhthainn From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 05:52:20 1996 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id FAA05484 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:52:19 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA10005 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:53:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:53:16 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960903171057.00674c6c@mail.wineasy.se> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: OR On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Anders Olsson wrote: > Medeltiden brukar definieras som tiden mellan antiken och ren=E4ssansen. = Dessa > tidpunker varierar naturligtvis mellan olika platser i Europa. 600-1600 = =E4r > en ganska gener=F6s tidsbest=E4mning av medeltiden. Det brukar s=E4gas att det r=F6r sig om v=E4stroms fall (mitten/slutet av 500-talet?) som startpunkt, och sedan ett gener=F6st =E5rtusende fram=E5t.= =20 Det sena slutdatumet l=E4r =E4ven ha en annan f=F6rklaring; man kan d=E5 va= ra med=20 p=E5 alla de "renaissance fairs" som finns lite var stans i USA. Vad detta= =20 har med medeltiden att g=F6ra vet dock ingen; =E5r 1600 var nog rennesansen= =20 slut i hela europa. /UlfR (med en _tidig_ persona ;-) -- Par Leijonhufvud par.leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se =20 "Do the Atheists Really Think the Egyptians could have built great monuments like Stonehenge without the help of God!?" - alt.atheism.satire From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 07:04:05 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id HAA06228 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:04:04 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id FAA28096; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:04:12 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Vilken tidning? Date: 04 Sep 1996 05:55:54 GMT Message-Id: <1046605790.103563@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR Hej, hej igen, Jag satte mig foer att fylla i min SCA Inc medlemskansoekan. Allt gick vael till jag kom till kolumnen med publikationer. Daa drabbade beslutsaangestens vaandor mig. Den lokala tidningen ska man ju ha, men innehaaller _Tournament Illuminated_ naagot av intresse eller aer den helt USA-inriktad? Vad aer egentligen _Compleat Anachronist_? Aer _Board Proceedings_ lika trist som det laater? Och aer naagot av de uppraeknade vaert att betala extra foer? Finns det naagon som kan upplysa en foervirrad nykomling? /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 08:05:35 1996 Return-Path: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se Received: from hermes.pub.mil.se ([193.241.212.198]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA06975 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:05:33 +0200 Received: from [193.241.212.85] ([193.241.212.85]) by hermes.pub.mil.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA21411 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:06:33 -0400 X-Sender: jan.frelin@hermes.pub.mil.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:10:04 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se (Jan Frelin) Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR >Hej, > > finns det naagon som kan foerklara foer en relativ nyboerjare varfoer SCA >valt just tidsramen 600 - 1600? Ju mer jag grubblar paa saken dessto mer >fraagande blir jag. Aer de valda "helt paa maafaa"? Jag kan inte riktigt >binda dem till naagra historiska haendelser, men de kanske finns? > > /Widumawi > > vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) Hartmanns pratkvarn: =C5sikter och gratis r=E5givning (v=E4rt vart=E4nda =F6= re!) =46=F6r det f=F6rsta l=E4r inte 600 vara en officiell gr=E4ns. Jag tror det = st=E5r n=E5got om "medeltida v=E4sterl=E4ndsk kultur tom 1600". D=E4remot l=E4r AD = 600 f=F6rekomma i "Known World Handbook". I =F6vrigt tror jag 600 - 1600 kan betraktas som ett f=F6rs=F6k att definier= a tidsepoken "medeltid och ren=E4ssans". I s=E5 fall =E4r det inte helt upp=E5= t v=E4ggarna. Den normala definitionen av medeltiden =E4r fr=E5n Roms fall (AD= 476) till n=E5n g=E5ng 1400-talet (smakfr=E5ga), medan ren=E4ssansen med lite god= vilja kan anses avslutad i slutet p=E5 1500-talet. /Tjaba, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge, Shire of Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin, Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@pub.mil.se From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 08:34:20 1996 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.230.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA07391 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:34:19 +0200 Received: from localhost (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.13/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA28105 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:34:41 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leif Euren X-Sender: leeu@world To: Nordmark Mailing List Subject: Re: Vilken tidning? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: OR Widumawi skrev: > ... innehaaller _Tournament Illuminated_ naagot av intresse eller > aer den helt USA-inriktad? =C5javars. Inte =E4r TI specifikt USA-inriktad. Men artiklarnas =E4mnesva= l =E4r det lite si och s=E5 med, enligt min mening. Det =E4r inte ofta jag slukat n=E5gon artikel i TI -- oftast har jag l=E4st den lite f=F6rstr=F6tt= =2E D=E5 =E4r Silversparren b=E4ttre. Fortfarande, fast=E4n artikelf=F6rfattan= det avtagit katastrofalt. > Vad aer egentligen _Compleat Anachronist_? Man kan beskriva det som "handb=F6cker" eller "uppsatser" om n=E5got specifikt omr=E5de. De =E4r helt frist=E5ende och =E4r v=E4l t=E4nkta att = tj=E4na som uppslagsverk f=F6r den kr=E4sne anakronisten. De brukar finnas i lager l=E5ngt efter det att de ursprungligen kom ut, och jag tror t_o_m att n=E5gra speciellt popul=E4ra nummer tryckts om. > Aer _Board Proceedings_ lika trist som det laater? Jajamensan! Det =E4r protokollet fr=E5n de kvartalsm=F6ten som Board of Directors har. Jag undrar om n=E5gon fortfarande prenumererar p=E5 dem i Nordmark -- Lindorm gjorde det f=F6rut, och gav referat h=E4r p=E5 Prath=F6= gen. N=E5gon borde g=F6ra det, prenumerera alts=E5, och referera s=E5dant som = =E4r av intresse f=F6r oss i Nordmark (Nordmarks drots, kanske :-) > Och aer naagot av de uppraeknade vaert att betala extra foer? Definitivt _Compleat Anachronist_, i alla fall om man planerar att vara kvar i den K=E4nda V=E4rlden n=E5got l=E4ngre tag.=20 Peder Klingrode | Leif Euren Stockholm, Sweden Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald | leeu@celsiustech.se From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 08:51:14 1996 Return-Path: anders.olsson@era.ericsson.se Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (glacier-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.38]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id IAA07674 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:51:12 +0200 From: anders.olsson@era.ericsson.se Received: from edt02.ericsson.se (edt02.ericsson.se [136.225.9.4]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with ESMTP id IAA07104 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:51:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc-mail.ericsson.se by edt.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.0-6 #16175) id <01I92PI8HNYO8X0RJ8@edt.ericsson.se> for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Wed, 04 Sep 1996 08:47:04 +0200 Received: by pc-mail.ericsson.se via MsMail with Mimetic; Wed, 04 Sep 1996 08:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 08:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Vilken tidning? To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Message-id: <01I92PI8HXLU8X0RJ8@edt.ericsson.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR > =C5javars. Inte =E4r TI specifikt USA-inriktad. Men artiklarnas =E4mnesval= > =E4r det lite si och s=E5 med, enligt min mening. Det =E4r inte ofta jag > slukat n=E5gon artikel i TI -- oftast har jag l=E4st den lite f=F6rstr=F6tt.= Jag m=E5ste s=E4ga att jag tycker att kvaliteten har f=F6rb=E4ttrats avsev=E4r= t p=E5 den=20 senaste tiden (jag har faktiskt l=E4st flera artiklar! :-). > D=E5 =E4r Silversparren b=E4ttre. Fortfarande, fast=E4n artikelf=F6rfattand= et > avtagit katastrofalt. Dragon's Tale =E4r bra att ha om man vill veta vad som h=E4nder i Drachenwald.= =20 Dock =E4r det v=E4ldigt s=E4llan det finns n=E5gra artiklar i den, det =E4r me= st=20 meddelanden fr=E5n Kronorna och =E4mbetsm=E4nnen, ocks=E5 en massa=20 evenemangsannonser. /Gilliam From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 08:56:50 1996 Return-Path: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se Received: from hermes.pub.mil.se ([193.241.212.198]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA07746 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:56:49 +0200 Received: from [193.241.212.85] ([193.241.212.85]) by hermes.pub.mil.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA21475 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:57:48 -0400 X-Sender: jan.frelin@hermes.pub.mil.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:01:20 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se (Jan Frelin) Subject: Re: Vilken tidning? Status: OR >Hej, hej igen, > > Jag satte mig foer att fylla i min SCA Inc medlemskansoekan. Allt gick vae= l >till jag kom till kolumnen med publikationer. Daa drabbade beslutsaangesten= s >vaandor mig. > Den lokala tidningen ska man ju ha, men innehaaller _Tournament Illuminate= d_ >naagot av intresse eller aer den helt USA-inriktad? Den =E4r inriktad p=E5 artiklar av allm=E4nt intresse f=F6r SCAiter... varje= nummer =E4r kanske inte alltid s=E5 intressant, men jag brukar faktiskt hitta artik= lar i gamla nummer som kan vara bra att vid olika projekt. > Vad aer egentligen >_Compleat Anachronist_? En skriftserie med publikationer om olika =E4mnen, vanligen behandlar varje nummer ett =E4mne. > Aer _Board Proceedings_ lika trist som det laater? Antagligen. >Och aer naagot av de uppraeknade vaert att betala extra foer? TI, kaske. CA =E4r definitivt bra, men jag brukar k=F6pa dem l=F6st n=E4r= jag vet vad de handlar om. > Finns det naagon som kan upplysa en foervirrad nykomling? > > /Widumawi > > vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) h=E4lsningar, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge, Shire of Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin, Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@pub.mil.se From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 09:13:04 1996 Return-Path: anders.olsson@era.ericsson.se Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (glacier-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.38]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA08076 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:13:03 +0200 From: anders.olsson@era.ericsson.se Received: from eds05.ericsson.se (eds05.ericsson.se [136.225.9.2]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with ESMTP id JAA10824 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:12:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc-mail.ericsson.se by edt.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.0-6 #16175) id <01I92QAIUZXC8X1V74@edt.ericsson.se> for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:09:05 +0200 Received: by pc-mail.ericsson.se via MsMail with Mimetic; Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:12 +0200 Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:11 +0200 Subject: FW: new address To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Message-id: <01I92QAIV9KI8X1V74@edt.ericsson.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR Deras Majest=E4ters nya adress. /Gilliam ---------- To all who would know, The new address of TRM Edouard and Eanor is: 238B Station Road Edgware Middx HA8 7AU +44 (0) 181 905 4880 Note the e-mail address as well. briar@pavilion.co.uk From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 09:52:51 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA08858 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:52:49 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA16733 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:36:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:36:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199609040736.AA16733@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR At 22.51 03-09-1996 +0200, William de Corbie wrote: >Widumawi fr}gade: > >>finns det naagon som kan foerklara foer en relativ nyboerjare varfoer SCA >>valt just tidsramen 600 - 1600? > >Den bakre gr{nsen 600 finns egentligen inte, s}vitt jag vet. I alla fall >inte i Corpora. Den {r mest en muntlig tradition. Vidare finns det fort- >farande en hel del folk i USA som envist p}st}r att den senare gr{nsen >g}r vid 1650... St=E4mmer. Corpora definierar SCA period som "pre 16th century", det vill=20 s=E4ga f=F6re sjuttonhundratalet (de r=E4knar ju s=E5 bakv=E4nt over= there!). =C5rtalet 1650 kommer av att h=E4roldskollegiet en g=E5ng best=E4mde att= namn som=20 f=F6rekommer fram till och med 1650 nog anv=E4nts f=F6re 1600, om inte annat= har=20 ju folk d=F6pts innan de blivit ber=F6mda. Allt =E4r h=E4roldarnas fel= allts=E5! :-)[X] Frithiof the friendly herald From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 12:20:50 1996 Return-Path: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se Received: from hermes.pub.mil.se ([193.241.212.198]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA11702 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:20:49 +0200 Received: from [193.241.212.85] ([193.241.212.85]) by hermes.pub.mil.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21682 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:21:44 -0400 X-Sender: jan.frelin@hermes.pub.mil.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:25:19 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se (Jan Frelin) Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR =46rithiof skrev: >St=E4mmer. Corpora definierar SCA period som "pre 16th century", det vill >s=E4ga f=F6re sjuttonhundratalet (de r=E4knar ju s=E5 bakv=E4nt over there!= ). Tom med 1500-talet, m=E5ste det betyda. (AD 0 - 99 =3D f=F6rsta =E5rhundrade= t) >=C5rtalet 1650 kommer av att h=E4roldskollegiet en g=E5ng best=E4mde att= namn som >f=F6rekommer fram till och med 1650 nog anv=E4nts f=F6re 1600, om inte= annat har >ju folk d=F6pts innan de blivit ber=F6mda. Allt =E4r h=E4roldarnas fel allt= s=E5! >:-)[X] Leg. mes., =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge, Shire of Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin, Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@pub.mil.se From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 12:36:05 1996 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA12082 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:36:04 +0200 Resent-Message-Id: <199609041036.MAA12082@zed.ludd.luth.se> Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA17370; Wed, 4 Sep 96 12:37:42 +0200 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA295403360; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:36:00 +0200 Resent-From: Ralph Snel From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <199609041036.AA295403360@nastol.astro.lu.se> Resent-To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:38:29 METDST Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:35:56 METDST To: vader@csd.uu.se Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? In-Reply-To: <199609032051.WAA12116@mamba.csd.uu.se>; from "vader@csd.uu.se" at Sep 3, 96 10:51 pm Status: OR > Fast elaka tungor s{ger att det egentligen var meningen att man > skulle ha 1500 som gr{ns, men det fanns d} en massa feta amerikanska > damer som absolut inte kunde t{nka sig att visa sig i n}got annat > {n en tudor/elisabetansk kl{nning... s} flyttade man fram tiden. Pre 16th century is, strictly seen, everything before 1500. A decent estimate for the average start of the renaissance in Europe. With regard to fire-arms, it seems that in the SCA fire-arms and gunpowder is something invented after 1650... Hardly anyone ever considers or discusses them. Strange... they would be so much fun. An English reenactment group was at Glimmingehus a few weeks ago, with cannons and all. Great fun! Now let's have a stone-age event, and try to push back that lower boundary! Ralph From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 12:35:56 1996 Return-Path: parlei@ki.se Received: from ki.se (mbox.ki.se [130.237.207.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA12074 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:35:53 +0200 Received: by ki.se id AA24977 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for NML ); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:36:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:36:47 +0200 (METDST) From: Par Leijonhufvud Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? To: NML In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: OR On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Jan Frelin wrote: > Frithiof skrev: >=20 > >St=E4mmer. Corpora definierar SCA period som "pre 16th century", det vil= l > >s=E4ga f=F6re sjuttonhundratalet (de r=E4knar ju s=E5 bakv=E4nt over the= re!). >=20 > Tom med 1500-talet, m=E5ste det betyda. (AD 0 - 99 =3D f=F6rsta =E5rhundr= adet) Men om "16th century" =E4r 1500-talet s=E5 =E4r v=E4l rimligen "pre-16th ce= ntury"=20 "f=F6re 1500-talet", m.a.o. t.o.m. 1400-talet? /UlfR (leg. mes., avd. f. jobbiga fr=E5gor) -- Par Leijonhufvud par.leijonhufvud@labtek.ki.se =20 "Do the Atheists Really Think the Egyptians could have built great monuments like Stonehenge without the help of God!?" - alt.atheism.satire From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 13:09:34 1996 Return-Path: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se Received: from hermes.pub.mil.se ([193.241.212.198]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id NAA12783 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:09:33 +0200 Received: from [193.241.212.85] ([193.241.212.85]) by hermes.pub.mil.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21762 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:32 -0400 X-Sender: jan.frelin@hermes.pub.mil.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:14:04 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se (Jan Frelin) Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR >With regard to fire-arms, it seems that in the SCA fire-arms and gunpowder >is something invented after 1650... Hardly anyone ever considers or discusses >them. Strange... they would be so much fun. An English reenactment group was >at Glimmingehus a few weeks ago, with cannons and all. Great fun! At the last Pennsic there was one lecture on period artillery, and one called "The care and and feeding of 15th century handguns" - including hands-on experience! Unfortunately I didn't have time for any of them, but I definetely believe the SCA is relaxing on the subject. >Now let's have a stone-age event, and try to push back that lower boundary! Ugh! >Ralph Cheers, =========================================================================== Hartmann Rogge, Shire of Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin, Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@pub.mil.se From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 19:06:24 1996 Return-Path: eva@ebnilsson.pp.se Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA24487 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:06:22 +0200 Received: from d1o1.telia.com (root@d1o1.telia.com [194.22.188.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA23852 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:06:21 +0200 Received: from [194.22.188.191] (t12o1p3.telia.com [194.22.188.191]) by d1o1.telia.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA05431 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:06:18 +0200 X-Sender: u86400466@m1.864.telia.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:15:39 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: eva@ebnilsson.pp.se (Eva Nilsson) Subject: Board Proceedings Status: OR >Jajamensan! Det =E4r protokollet fr=E5n de kvartalsm=F6ten som Board of >Directors har. Jag undrar om n=E5gon fortfarande prenumererar p=E5 dem i >Nordmark -- Lindorm gjorde det f=F6rut, och gav referat h=E4r p=E5 Prath=F6= gen. > >N=E5gon borde g=F6ra det, prenumerera alts=E5, och referera s=E5dant som = =E4r av >intresse f=F6r oss i Nordmark (Nordmarks drots, kanske :-) Det skulle Nordmarks drots, dvs jag, g=E4rna g=F6ra och komma med sammanfattningar p=E5 det som =E4r av intresse speciellt f=F6r Nordmark men = =E4ven av det som =E4r av allm=E4nintresse f=F6r SCA som f=F6rening. Finns ett prob= lem dock som kan diskuteras p=E5 kommande Ting. N=E4mligen om Nordmark kan st=E5= f=F6r kostnaderna. Mary, drots From nordmark-request Wed Sep 4 20:07:50 1996 Return-Path: af@XLNT.se Received: from mailbox.swip.net (mailbox.swip.net [193.12.122.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id UAA27958 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:07:49 +0200 Received: from [130.244.106.121] (dialup104-4-2.swipnet.se [130.244.104.62]) by mailbox.swip.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13907 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:07:44 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: mg15256@gaia.swip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:14:26 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: af@XLNT.se (Anna Frimodig) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kr=F6nik=F6r?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?s=F6kes?= Status: OR Nordmark beh=F6ver en ny kr=F6nik=F6r snabbt! Kris och katastrof, jag hinner inte! Ring Tora 08-583 582 30 kv=E4llar f=F6re 21.30! N=E4r jag i juli f=F6rra =E5ret =E5tog mig att g=F6ra Silversparren f=F6r= SCA-delen av f=F6reningen s=E5g b=E5de mitt liv och f=F6reingens liv lite annorlunda ut= =E4n de g=F6r idag. Detta inneb=E4r f=F6r min del att min tid inte r=E4cker till f=F6r att s=E4t= ta mig ner och g=F6ra en bra tidning l=E4ngre. jag har blivit med b=E5de jobb, sistaterminsplugg och andra uppgifter. Jag hade ju faktiskt bara lovat att g=F6ra tidningen "ett tag", enligt den diskussion som d=E5 f=F6rdes p=E5= n=E4tet med Herr Peder. Nu har ett tag g=E5tt och jag hade g=E4rna fortsatt om inte mitt liv =E4ndrats. Dessutom har f=F6reningens liv =E4ndrats och f=F6reningen s=F6ker nu en kr= =F6nik=F6r som inte ska vara en tillf=E4llig inhoppare som jag varit, utan en =E4mbetsm= an som kan f=F6ra Nordmark in i ett furstend=F6me. Jag kan g=E4rna bidra med mallen om du inte vill l=E4gga upp en egen. Den = =E4r gjord i Quark XPress 3.2 f=F6r Macintosh, men det finns vissa m=F6jligheter = att konvertera den till PC. Det kan till och med vara en f=F6rdel om tidningen beh=E5ller sitt utseende ett tag fram=F6ver, f=F6r furstend=F6mesplanernas s= kull, men vill du promt g=F6ra en egen layout s=E5 finns det naturligtvis konstn= =E4rlig frihet f=F6r det. N=C4R SKA DET H=C4R SKE D=C5??? Jag har lovat att g=F6ra n=E4sta nummer och d=E5 kommer ju ocks=E5 den offic= iella annonsen. Vill du sedan ta =F6ver direkt s=E5 g=E5r det bra. Skulle mot f=F6= rmodan ingen h=F6ra av sig har jag lovat att g=F6ra ett nummer till, men sedan g=E5= r det inte l=E4ngre f=F6r tidens skull och har ni inte h=F6rt av er d=E5 kan det i= nte komma ut n=E5gon tidning. Och det vill ni v=E4l inte??? =C4r du =F6vertygad - ring i kv=E4ll (men inte f=F6r sent! Sover vid 21.30 -= och ringer du senare ringer jag dig n=E4r jag g=E5r upp imorgon bitti...) =C4r du tveksam - ring imorgon! T=E4nk p=E5 att du alltid kan anv=E4nda f=F6reningsuppdrag som referenser n=E4r du s=F6ker jobb, att till exempel ku= nna visa upp en snygg tidning och s=E4ga, "den g=F6r jag". Vill du inte - ring =E4nd=E5. Det kan till och med vara kul att veta saker innan n=E5gon annan vet, s=E5 =E4r du nyfiken kan du inte motst=E5 det h=E4r uppdraget. Ring Tora 08-583 582 30, kv=E4llar f=F6re 21.30 Nordmark beh=F6ver DIG! NU! From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 06:53:58 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id GAA10812 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 06:53:56 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id EAA08466; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 04:54:05 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Date: 05 Sep 1996 05:41:18 GMT Message-Id: <2432888830.48970@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR William de Corbie skrev: > Den bakre gr{nsen 600 finns egentligen inte, s}vitt jag vet. I alla fall > inte i Corpora. Den {r mest en muntlig tradition. Det laater ju bra, jag kanske ska haalla fast vid min provisoriska gotiska persona och laata henne leva i Italien under Teoderiks tid paa det tidiga 500-talet. . . Vidare finns det fort- > farande en hel del folk i USA som envist p}st}r att den senare gr{nsen > g}r vid 1650... Vad saeger Corpora om det daa? > Orsaken till 1600 som gr{ns torde vara att man inte ville avbilda > den epok d} eldvapnen tog |ver krigstekniken fr}n blankvapnen. > Fast elaka tungor s{ger att det egentligen var meningen att man > skulle ha 1500 som gr{ns, men det fanns d} en massa feta amerikanska > damer som absolut inte kunde t{nka sig att visa sig i n}got annat > {n en tudor/elisabetansk kl{nning... s} flyttade man fram tiden. Det vore onekligen traakigt om man inte skulle kunna sy sig den daer tudor-klaenningen som man gaar och droemmer om. . . /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 06:54:01 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id GAA10816 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 06:53:59 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id EAA08493; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 04:54:08 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Date: 05 Sep 1996 05:41:34 GMT Message-Id: <2432888830.49006@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR On 1996-09-04 at 05:10, Par Leijonhufvud wrote: > On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Anders Olsson wrote: > > > Medeltiden brukar definieras som tiden mellan antiken och ren=E4ssansen. = > Dessa > > tidpunker varierar naturligtvis mellan olika platser i Europa. 600-1600 = > =E4r > > en ganska gener=F6s tidsbest=E4mning av medeltiden. > > Det brukar s=E4gas att det r=F6r sig om v=E4stroms fall (mitten/slutet av > 500-talet?) som startpunkt, och sedan ett gener=F6st =E5rtusende fram=E5t.= > =20 Vaestrom faller redan aar 476 och det aer detta datum som brukar vara den *senaste* tidpunkten foer medeltidens boerjan i de flesta historieverk. En del brukar saetta startpunkten redan 330 daa romarrikets huvudstad flyttas fraan Rom till Konstantinopel, andra anvaender sig av aar 395 daa romarriket slutligen delas. Det aer daerfoer jag tycker det aer saa konstigt att SCA valt ett saa sent startdatum som 600. Det sena slutdatumet kanske helt enkelt aer en konsekvens av det sena startdatumet? Att medeltiden skulle definieras som tiden mellan antiken och renaessansen aer vael inte riktigt sant. Det vanliga idag tycker jag verkar vara att man oever huvudtaget aldrig blandar in renaessansen (detta luddiga begrepp) utan i staellet talar om "nya tidens" inbrott naagon gaang i boerjan av 1500-talet. Vad som menas med detta uttryck har jag dock inte faatt naagot riktigt grepp om. Det verkar ha att goera dels med den begynnande reformation, dels med de s k upptaecksresorna till vaerlden utanfoer Europa. Eller har jag missuppfattat detta? Naagon som vet? /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 08:57:46 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA13005 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:57:45 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA23908 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:41:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:41:01 +0200 Message-Id: <199609050641.AA23908@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR At 12.25 04-09-1996 +0200,Hartmann Rogge wrote: >Frithiof skrev: > >>St=E4mmer. Corpora definierar SCA period som "pre 16th century", det vill >>s=E4ga f=F6re sjuttonhundratalet (de r=E4knar ju s=E5 bakv=E4nt over= there!). > >Tom med 1500-talet, m=E5ste det betyda. (AD 0 - 99 =3D f=F6rsta= =E5rhundradet) Mea culpa. "Pre 17th century" skall det naturligtvis vara, det vill s=E4ga= fram=20 till och med =E5r 1600. (F=F6rsta =E5rhundradet =E4r AD 1-100. =C5r noll= finns inte.) Frithiof the friendly herald From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 08:58:13 1996 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.230.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA13027 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:58:12 +0200 Received: from localhost (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.13/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA18662 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:58:36 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:58:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leif Euren X-Sender: leeu@world To: Nordmark Mailing List Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: OR Widumawi: > Vaestrom faller redan aar 476 ... 330 daa romarrikets huvudstad > flyttas fraan Rom till Konstantinopel, aar 395 daa romarriket > slutligen delas. Det aer daerfoer jag tycker det aer saa konstigt att > SCA valt ett saa sent startdatum som 600. Nu b=F6rjar du bli of=F6rsk=E4md :-) Man ska kanske inte anklaga alla SCAiter f=F6r att vara historiskt skolade. Speciellt inte vad g=E4ller tidig historia. Min personaliga teori =E4r att man tog med hela 1500-talet f=F6r att g=F6ra det m=F6jligt att anv=E4nda Tudor-modet, och sedan har vissa personer (dock inte SCAs ledning) satt den andra gr=E4nsen 1000 =E5r tidigare, bara f=F6r att f=E5 en j=E4mn siffra. Peder Klingrode | Leif Euren Stockholm, Sweden Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald | leeu@celsiustech.se From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 09:01:00 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA13137 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:00:59 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA23941 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:44:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:44:16 +0200 Message-Id: <199609050644.AA23941@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR >With regard to fire-arms, it seems that in the SCA fire-arms and gunpowder >is something invented after 1650... Hardly anyone ever considers or discusses >them. Strange... they would be so much fun. An English reenactment group was >at Glimmingehus a few weeks ago, with cannons and all. Great fun! Well, cannons are not totally unknown in the SCA.... I attended a class on firearms at Pennsic. I did get some ideas! >Now let's have a stone-age event, and try to push back that lower boundary! Why not be really anachronistic: The viking raid on the Spanish armada! >Ralph Frithiof the friendly herald From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 09:35:04 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA13901 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:35:03 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA24334 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:18:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:18:19 +0200 Message-Id: <199609050718.AA24334@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: Re: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR > Vaestrom faller redan aar 476 och det aer detta datum som brukar vara den >*senaste* tidpunkten foer medeltidens boerjan i de flesta historieverk. En >del brukar saetta startpunkten redan 330 daa romarrikets huvudstad flyttas >fraan Rom till Konstantinopel, andra anvaender sig av aar 395 daa= romarriket >slutligen delas. Det aer daerfoer jag tycker det aer saa konstigt att SCA >valt ett saa sent startdatum som 600. Medeltidens start brukar ocks=E5 s=E4ttas till =E5r 800, d=E5 Karl den store= kr=F6ns till=20 kejsare av p=E5ven. =C5tminstone gjorde man det i historieb=F6ckerna jag= l=E4ste n=E4r jag gick i plugget. Tiden fr=E5n Roms fall till det nya kejsard=F6met kallas= d=E5 den=20 m=F6rka tiden (the dark ages). Till stor del handlar det ju om= folkvandringstiden. En del historiker f=F6rnekar att Rom f=F6ll 476. Visserligen er=F6vrades Rom= av=20 germaner, men de hade funnits l=E4nge inom romarriket och [vad hette han= nu!] l=E4t kr=F6na sig till romersk kejsare. Vissa b=F6cker avslutar medeltiden n=E4r gotiken bryter in, i b=F6rjan av= 1200-talet. Det verkar som m=E5nga historiker vill undvika begreppet medeltiden, och= inf=F6ra=20 nya beteckningar och indelning i kortare perioder. F=F6rmodligen vill man= komma=20 bort fr=E5n associationen till "den m=F6rka medeltiden".=20 =20 > Att medeltiden skulle definieras som tiden mellan antiken och renaessansen >aer vael inte riktigt sant. Det vanliga idag tycker jag verkar vara att man >oever huvudtaget aldrig blandar in renaessansen (detta luddiga begrepp)= utan >i staellet talar om "nya tidens" inbrott naagon gaang i boerjan av >1500-talet.=20 Peter Englund talar om "den tidigmoderna tiden", och menar d=E5 ren=E4ssans= och=20 barock (efter vad jag f=F6rst=E5tt). Se kommentar ovan om ny indelning av= historien. Frithiof the friendly herald From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 19:09:03 1996 Return-Path: Christer.Romson@abc.se Received: from bure.abc.se (bure.abc.se [192.36.170.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA25850 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:09:01 +0200 Received: from atle.abc.se by bure.abc.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA24143; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:08:53 +0200 Received: by atle.abc.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA06943; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:08:50 +0200 From: Christer.Romson@abc.se (Christer Romson) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:24:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <7ywLy0cnUztQ083yn@abc.se> References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 11 Status: OR Hartmann: > Jag tror det st=E5r "medeltida v=E4sterl=E4ndsk kultur tom 1600". Mitt ex av Organizational Handbook (dvs sca:s stadgar) har kommit bort (och jag prenumererar inte längre på BOD:s protokoll) men jag _tror_ att det står "pre-17:th century western culture". Jag är ganska säker på att det inte står "medeltida" i alla fall. "Western" måste man väl i det här fallet översätta som "västerländsk" snarare än "västeuropeiskt". Lindorm From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 19:35:04 1996 Return-Path: mbroman@wineasy.se Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id TAA26425 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:35:01 +0200 Received: from [193.12.69.86] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.01.03) id ta089485; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:36:40 +0200 Received: by ras-86.wineasy.se with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9B60.D55B0B60@ras-86.wineasy.se>; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:31:28 +-200 Message-ID: <01BB9B60.D55B0B60@ras-86.wineasy.se> From: M Broman To: "'NML (Nordmark Mailing List)'" Subject: Rumours about Double Wars-site...??? Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:31:16 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR Nordmark 96-09-05 Hello, I have a small question...hm... is it true that the = "Nordrike"-people in Sk=E5ne called our site that was booked for SCA-Double Wars and = claimed there is no more SCA around and rebooked the site for = hemselves... basically taking it from the SCA....?? Please clear this up, someone who knows... Thanks Morgan// From nordmark-request Thu Sep 5 22:10:20 1996 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:ralph@astro.lu.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id WAA29705 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:10:19 +0200 Received: from nastol.astro.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA17488; Thu, 5 Sep 96 22:11:55 +0200 Received: by nastol.astro.lu.se(1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA262044214; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:10:14 +0200 From: Ralph Snel Message-Id: <199609052010.AA262044214@nastol.astro.lu.se> Subject: Re: Rumours about Double Wars-site...??? To: mbroman@wineasy.se (M Broman) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 22:10:13 METDST Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: <01BB9B60.D55B0B60@ras-86.wineasy.se>; from "M Broman" at Sep 5, 96 7:31 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 112.2] Status: OR > Hello, I have a small question...hm... is it true that the = > "Nordrike"-people > in Sk=E5ne called our site that was booked for SCA-Double Wars and = > claimed there is no more SCA around and rebooked the site for = > hemselves... > basically taking it from the SCA....?? > > Please clear this up, someone who knows... > Medeltidsfoereningen Torsheim (former SKA Torsheim) booked the site from Thursday to Sunday. As far as I know the site can not be booked by private persons, and the SCA group here is not legal (yet). Torsheim has _always_ used these days for Knaeckebroedskriget and will continue to do so. Besides, it's the same people doing the stuff, and SCA people are just as welcome as they always have been. I'm not sure who's officially autocrat, but the first weekend and up to Wednesday are reserved in Janna Spannes name (I think). So if there's an autocrat for the Magna Carta part, we can organise the event as we have the last three years. Ralph ralph@astro.lu.se From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 08:55:20 1996 Return-Path: anders.olsson@era.ericsson.se Received: from glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (glacier-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.38]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id IAA09246 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:55:19 +0200 From: anders.olsson@era.ericsson.se Received: from edt02.ericsson.se (edt02.ericsson.se [136.225.9.4]) by glacier.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-0.9) with ESMTP id IAA20210 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:55:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pc-mail.ericsson.se by edt.ericsson.se (PMDF V5.0-6 #16175) id <01I95I8VYYWG8X1H9M@edt.ericsson.se> for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Fri, 06 Sep 1996 08:51:04 +0200 Received: by pc-mail.ericsson.se via MsMail with Mimetic; Sat, 07 Sep 1996 08:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 08:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Rumours about Double Wars-site...??? To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Message-id: <01I95I8W0UF68X1H9M@edt.ericsson.se> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR > Medeltidsfoereningen Torsheim (former SKA Torsheim) booked the site from > Thursday to Sunday. As far as I know the site can not be booked by private > persons, and the SCA group here is not legal (yet). Torsheim has _always_ > used these days for Knaeckebroedskriget and will continue to do so. So, will it be a SCA event or Nordrike event? /Gilliam From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 09:04:24 1996 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA09462 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:04:22 +0200 Received: from merkurius.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA03290; Fri, 6 Sep 96 09:06:02 +0200 Received: from [130.235.79.80] (janna2.kansli.lth.se) by merkurius.lu.se. (5.x/SMI-SVR4)id AA29410; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:05:16 +0200 X-Sender: klth-jsp@pop.lu.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:05:33 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se (Janna G. Spanne) Subject: Re: Rumours about Double Wars-site...??? Status: OR R=E4tt olyckligt att avhandla det h=E4r p=E5 listan, eftersom versionerna = =E4r m=E5nga och detaljerna intresserar =E4nd=E5 bara ett f=E5tal. Folk i allm=E4= nhet l=E4ser bara evenemangsannonsen, tycker att det verkar roligt / inte roligt och best=E4mmer sig f=F6r att =E5ka / inte =E5ka, utan att bry sig om alla t= urerna i bakgrunden. Men eftersom det nu har blivit p=E5 det viset: >Medeltidsfoereningen Torsheim (former SKA Torsheim) booked the site from >Thursday to Sunday. As far as I know the site can not be booked by private >persons, and the SCA group here is not legal (yet). 1) Den ursprungliga (muntliga) bokningen gjordes h=F6sten -95 =E5t Torsheim, som vid den tidpunkten var officiell grupp *b=E5de* inom SCA och Nordrike. Bokningen avs=E5g *hela* veckan (3-11 maj -97). Eftersom det verkade vara gott om tid, dr=F6jde scouterna med att skicka bokningspapper f=F6r att bekr=E4fta det hela skriftligt. 2) Jag vet inte om g=E5rden kan bokas av privatpersoner - det =E4r irrelevan= t. Vad betr=E4ffar SCA i Sk=E5ne, finns h=E4r liksom tidigare en officiell grup= p (shire), som h=E5ller p=E5 och ans=F6ker om namn=E4ndring fr=E5n Torsheim ti= ll Attemark. Majoriteten av "gamla" Torsheim tycks st=E5 n=E4rmare Nordrike =E4= n SCA och att ha tv=E5 medeltidsforeningar vid namn Torsheim p=E5 samma omr=E5de v= erkar mer =E4n lovligt korkat. >Torsheim has _always_ >used these days for Knaeckebroedskriget and will continue to do so. Hmmm... p=E5 samma s=E4tt kan man s=E4ga att SCA *alltid* har h=E5llit Kn=E4= ckebr=F6ds- och sedermera Dubbelkriget kring Kristi Himmelsf=E4rd... En fr=E5ga om synvinkel, allts=E5. >Besides, it's the same people doing the stuff, VA???!!! =46=F6rra =E5rets huvudautokrat, vice-autokrat, l=E4geransvarig, kr=F6gare, lunchansvarig, marsk f=F6r Kn=E4cke, autokrat och marsk f=F6r Magna Carta, arrang=F6rerna f=F6r torneringarna mm =E4r =F6verhuvudtaget inte vidtalade. Ni som var d=E4r i =E5r m=E4rkte sj=E4lva vem som gjorde vad. >and SCA people are just as welcome >as they always have been. Se ovan. Notera, jag betvivlar inte att individuella SCA-iter =E4r v=E4lkomn= a till evenemanget, men Nordrike-Torsheim har *inte* bjudit in SCA att delta i f=F6rberedelserna f=F6r evenemanget. >I'm not sure who's officially autocrat, but >the first weekend and up to Wednesday are reserved in Janna Spannes name >(I think). Jag var kontaktperson f=F6r den ursprungliga bokningen. Beskedet jag senare fick fr=E5n representanten f=F6r scouterna var att ordf=F6randen f=F6r Nordrike-Torsheim hade ringt honom och meddelat: 1) att gruppen numera var delad, 2) att hennes del av gruppen *skulle ha* g=E5rden torsdag-s=F6ndag oc= h 3) att "dom andra kunde f=E5 ha den" l=F6rdag-onsdag. Det h=E4r "beslutet" var helt ensidigt och jag fick reda p=E5 det f=F6rst= n=E4r jag ringde scouterna (mot slutet av juni) och undrade varf=F6r bokningspapperen aldrig kom. >So if there's an autocrat for the Magna Carta part, we can >organise the event as we have the last three years. S=E5vitt jag vet nu kommer SCA, genom lokalgruppen Attemark, att anordna ett Dubbelkrig i Sk=E5ne under Kristi Himmelsf=E4rdsveckan som brukligt =E4r. =46=F6r =F6vrigt s=E5 har ingen m=E4rkesskyddat ordet "Kn=E4ckebr=F6dskrig"= i juridisk mening. Vem som har den moraliska r=E4tten till namnet =E4r i allra h=F6gst= a grad =F6ppet f=F6r tolkning. Det b=F6rjade som ett SCA-evenemang i Torsheim = och den f=F6rsta autokraten var, om jag minns r=E4tt, Fru Ylva Enh=F6rning, Lord Ralphs dam. Sj=E4lv =E4r jag entusiasten som skurade pissoaren p=E5 H=F6rrs = Nyg=E5rd i 39=B0 feber efter Kn=E4cke I. Med tiden blev jag m=F6jligtvis den enskilda person som har autokratat Kn=E4cke flest g=E5nger. Hur man =E4n v=E4nder och vrider p=E5 det s=E5 har jag sv=E5rt att se hur= man skulle kunna komma till en annan slutsats ang=E5ende namnet "Kn=E4ckebr=F6dskrig"= =E4n ett tjurigt och f=F6ror=E4ttat "dom e' dumma" fr=E5n den part som det g=E5r emot= . D=E4rf=F6r f=F6resl=E5r jag att vi struntar i den debatten och =E4gnar oss= =E5t n=E5got konstruktivt, som att sy f=E4rdigt den d=E4r 1400-talsskjortan som har legat i ett halv=E5r, eller att s=E4tta ig=E5ng en ny sats mj=F6d. /Catrin From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 09:25:08 1996 Return-Path: leeu@celsiustech.se Received: from world.celsiustech.se (world.celsiustech.se [139.58.230.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA09851 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:25:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (leeu@localhost) by world.celsiustech.se (8.6.13/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA05806 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:25:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:25:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leif Euren X-Sender: leeu@world To: Nordmark Mailing List Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: OR Salve! I 'Corpora' st=E5r det: II. SOCIETY EVENTS D. REQUIREMENTS FOR PARTICIPANTS. Anyone may attend Society events provided he or she wears an attempt at pre-17th century dress, ... Och det =E4r det enda jag hittat om v=E5r tidsperiod d=E4r (URL http://www.sca.org/laws/corpora.hbk.html). I 'Scope of the Society: Period and Culture', vilken ing=E5r i 'Organizational Handbook' precis som 'Corpora', och =E4r en mycket b=E4ttre handledning f=F6r os=E4kra medlemmar, st=E5r det endast: The Society is based on the landed nobility of the European Middle Ages and Renaissance. D=E4r st=E5r =E4ven Our activities range very widely, including a much broader span of time and culture than most groups in the "living history" movement try to sample. och If we hold a Roman games, the participants are assumed to be period Europeans playing at ancient Rome; you can try to act like a real ancient Roman, but you can't complain if the atmosphere is not what you regard as authentic. Likewise, you can be an Asian or African guest at a European court, but you cannot recreate your homeland outside your own household - like any long-term visitor in a foreign land, you are the one who will have to adapt to the customs you find around you. och till sist Since members have free choice of what areas they will explore, it follows that Society branches can not specialize. s=E5 man m=E4rker att BoD har f=E5tt en del kritik f=F6r att man inte begr=E4nsat SCAs tidperiod (och geografiska t=E4ckning) ytterligare. (URL http://www.sca.org/laws/scope.hbk.html ; har =E4ven publicerats=20 =F6versatt till svenska i Silversparren.) Peder Klingrode | Leif Euren Stockholm, Sweden Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald | leeu@celsiustech.se From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 09:54:09 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id JAA10250 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:54:08 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id HAA02907; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:54:17 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Re: Vilken tidning? Date: 06 Sep 1996 08:35:50 GMT Message-Id: <1046605790.681426@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR Hej, hej Jag tackar foer all information jag fick saa snabbt. Tidningoman som jag aer har jag beslutat mig slaa paa stort och betala foer *baade* Dragon's Tale, Tournaments Ill. och Compleat Anachronist detta mitt foersta aar som SCA-medlem. Naagot ska man vael anvaenda skatteaaterbaeringen till ;-) /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 09:52:48 1996 Return-Path: <@nomina.lu.se:janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se> Received: from nomina.lu.se (nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA10235 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:52:47 +0200 Received: from merkurius.lu.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA06445; Fri, 6 Sep 96 09:54:28 +0200 Received: from [130.235.79.80] (janna2.kansli.lth.se) by merkurius.lu.se. (5.x/SMI-SVR4)id AA02690; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:53:40 +0200 X-Sender: klth-jsp@pop.lu.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:53:58 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se (Janna G. Spanne) Subject: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Status: OR >... s=E5 man m=E4rker att BoD har f=E5tt en del kritik f=F6r att man inte >begr=E4nsat SCAs tidperiod (och geografiska t=E4ckning) ytterligare. Liksom de har f=E5tt kritik f=F6r att de begr=E4nsar dem f=F6r mycket - ett = klart fall av att alltid ha =E4ndan bak. Den h=E4r debatten dyker upp d=E5 och d=E5 p=E5 diverse listor och =E4nnu= har ingen kommit med n=E5got vettigt f=F6rslag till att definiera om SCAs omfattning. Varje g=E5ng n=E5gon vill ha en uppstramning i tiden eller i rummet, s=E5 ty= cker n=E5gon annan att det =E4r fascism att f=F6rs=F6ka utest=E4nga aztekerna och d'Artagnan. S=E5 det har snarare utvecklat sig till en allm=E4n debatt=F6vning att roa s= ig med under l=E5nga vinterkv=E4llar. /Catrin From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 11:05:04 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA11147 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:05:03 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id JAA14332; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:05:12 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE Subject: Re: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Date: 06 Sep 1996 09:53:18 GMT Message-Id: <2432888830.951040@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR Peder Klingrode skrev: > Min personaliga teori =E4r att man tog med hela 1500-talet f=F6r att g=F6ra > det m=F6jligt att anv=E4nda Tudor-modet, Ett utmaerkt skael tycker jag! och sedan har vissa personer > (dock inte SCAs ledning) satt den andra gr=E4nsen 1000 =E5r tidigare, bara > f=F6r att f=E5 en j=E4mn siffra. Laater inte otroligt, men det goer onekligen en nyboerjare en smula foervirrad med alla dessa aartal hit och dit :-) /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 11:05:26 1996 Return-Path: vidumavi@online.idg.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA11158 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:05:25 +0200 Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id JAA14513; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:05:34 GMT From: vidumavi@online.idg.se (Ninni M. Pettersson) Reply-To: vidumavi@online.idg.se To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE Subject: Re: Re: Re: Varfoer 600 - 1600? Date: 06 Sep 1996 09:53:54 GMT Message-Id: <2432888830.951281@online.idg.se> Organization: IDG Online, Stockholm, Sweden Status: OR The friendly herald skrev: > Medeltidens start brukar ocks=E5 s=E4ttas till =E5r 800, d=E5 Karl den store= > kr=F6ns till=20 > kejsare av p=E5ven. =C5tminstone gjorde man det i historieb=F6ckerna jag= > l=E4ste n=E4r > jag gick i plugget. Tiden fr=E5n Roms fall till det nya kejsard=F6met kallas= > d=E5 den=20 > m=F6rka tiden (the dark ages). Till stor del handlar det ju om= > folkvandringstiden. Daer ser man. Och jag som trodde att jag kunde det haer. . . > En del historiker f=F6rnekar att Rom f=F6ll 476. Visserligen er=F6vrades Rom= > av=20 > germaner, men de hade funnits l=E4nge inom romarriket och [vad hette han= > nu!] > l=E4t kr=F6na sig till romersk kejsare. Teoderik? > Vissa b=F6cker avslutar medeltiden n=E4r gotiken bryter in, i b=F6rjan av= > 1200-talet. > Det verkar som m=E5nga historiker vill undvika begreppet medeltiden, och= > inf=F6ra=20 > nya beteckningar och indelning i kortare perioder. F=F6rmodligen vill man= > komma=20 > bort fr=E5n associationen till "den m=F6rka medeltiden".=20 > =20 Det staemmer nog, men det goer det hela aennu mer foervirrande foer icke-specialister tyvaerr. Det var saa mycket *enklare* med sekvensen antiken > medeltiden > renaessansen > barocken, eller den som jag har svaga minnen av att jag fick laera mig i smaaskolan: forntiden > vikingatiden > medeltiden > Gustav Vasa > Gustav II Adolf > Karl XII > Gustav III > nutiden! /Widumawi vidumavi@online.idg.se (via BulkRate 2.1.2) From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 11:56:56 1996 Return-Path: jannis.koukoutsas@carta.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA12097 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:56:55 +0200 From: jannis.koukoutsas@carta.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id MAA24294; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:00:04 +0200 Message-ID: <199609061000.MAA24294@mail.swip.net> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:49:17 +0100 To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C4ndring_av_min_adress?= MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /220000000/221030220/221000864/221090235/ Status: OR Skulle vara tacksam om adressen min =E4ndrades till: Jannis.Koukoutsas@carta.se From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 13:39:45 1996 Return-Path: thocar@norell.se Received: from mail.swip.net (mail.swip.net [192.71.180.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id NAA14455 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:39:35 +0200 From: thocar@norell.se Received: by mail.swip.net with UUCP (8.6.8/3.01) id NAA00767; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:42:46 +0200 Message-ID: <199609061142.NAA00767@mail.swip.net> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:35:32 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Felaktig e-mail adress Receipt-Requested-To: thocar@norell.se MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221700641/221660641/221750641/ Status: OR Hej! 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MVH Thomas Carlzon Norell Invest AB Box 7031 191 07 Sollentuna Besoksadress: Rotebergsv=F5gen 2 Tel08-626 25 09 Fax 08-626 55 14 =20= =A0@=14 =F0=A4=11=D3=ED=00 From nordmark-request Fri Sep 6 16:27:56 1996 Return-Path: HANSA.ISOKOSKI@RD.ORION.ORION.mailnet.fi Received: from x400.tele.fi (x400.tele.fi [192.89.123.30]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id QAA18242 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:27:54 +0200 X400-Received: by mta x400.tele.fi in /PRMD=smtpgw/ADMD=mailnet/C=fi/; Relayed; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:38:41 +0300 X400-Received: by /ADMD=MAILNET/C=FI/; Relayed; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:29:58 +0300 X400-Received: by /PRMD=ORION/ADMD=MAILNET/C=FI/; converted (ia5 text (2)); Relayed; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:28:50 +0300 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:28:50 +0300 X400-Originator: HANSA.ISOKOSKI@RD.ORION.ORION.mailnet.fi X400-Recipients: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.se X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=ORION/ADMD=MAILNET/C=FI/;G0000579E06SEP199615270985] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: DRACHENWALD UNIV From: Hansa Isokoski Message-ID: To: NORDMARK@LUDD.LUTH.se Subject: DRACHENWALD UNIVERSITY IN AARNIMETSA Status: OR Distribution to:NORDMARK ------------ DRACHENWALD UNIVERSITY 30.11.-1.12. AS XXXI Aarnimetsa, Finland The barony of Aarnimetsa is proud to host the next Drachenwald University and invites all gentles to attend it on the weekend 30th of November to 1st of December. The event site is the school of Kurala (no site address, road instructions see below) situated halfway between Helsinki and Turku.The site opens at 5 PM on Friday and closes at 4 PM on Sunday. Crash space will be in the same school rooms as the University classes.Bring your sleeping bags and sleeping pads. The traditional sauna will be hot on both evenings, Friday and after the feast on Saturday. The site is wet - bring you own liquid refreshments. This year's Drachenwald University will be a general university comprising a fighters' collegium, dance practice, cooking lessons, as well as more theoretical classes.Further information about the program will be published later on the mailing lists of Drachenwald, Nordmark and Aarnimetsa, and, if possible, will be sent on paper to local A&S-officers or seneschals. If you would like to teach a fighting skill (specific weapon forms, fighting for beginners, marshalling, fighting tactics for groups etc.), contact Lord Edmund ( mka Jussi Kinnunen, Jaakkimankatu 5 i 73, 20740 Turku, Finland, tel.+ 358 - 2 - 2369603, email: uluusi@utu.fi). If your are willing to teach any non-martial subjects, contact the University Chancellor Lady Catrin Gwynystlum (mka Janna G. Spanne, Nyckelkroken 50, S-22647 Lund, Sweden, tel. + 46-46-2229750, email:janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se). To teach fighting-related stuff such as armor-making, lectures on period warfare, the concept of chivalry etc etc, contact either Lord Edmund or Lady Catrin. Fees: Site fee 50 FIM, Breakfasts Sat/Sun 10FIM each, Lunch Sat 20FIM, Feast Sat evening: onboard 70 FIM offboard 20 FIM. Children under 12 years half price, children under 6 years free. Send all your paymets to the postal giro account SCA Aarnimetsa PSP 800019-530651 by Friday 22nd of November. Gentles from abroad can pay on site, but please do register in advance. Registration: Registration deadline Friday 22nd of November. Please send your written registrations to Lady Kerttu Katariinantytar Roisko (mka Lea Viljanen, Vironkatu 10 D 23, 00170 Helsinki, Finland tel.+ 358 - 9 - 1357094, fax: + 358 - 9 - 47810328, email: Lea.Viljanen@nixu. fi). Give your mundane as well as your SCA name, your contact information (e- mail/snail mail/phone) and what you have paid for. Also mention any food allergies and wishes for your crash space. Participants from abroad, if you arrive in Helsinki and need transportation to the event site contact the autocrat well in advance. For transprotation from Turku, please contact the feastocrat. We can arrange limited transportation to the event site from both cities and we can also inform you about the bus time tables. Road description: >From either Helsinki or Turku take road # 1, the main road between Helsinki and Turku. Turn to road 1870 at Suomusjarvi (Kisko signs at the crossroads). Follow road 1870 towards Kisko for about 10 km. There will be SCA signs pointing your way to the site. The autocrats: Autocrat: Lady Hedwig Kettuin mka Hansa Isokoski Kuunsirppi 2 C 130 02210 Espoo tel. + 358 - 9 - 85 96 447 email: hansa.isokoski@orion.mailnet.fi Feastocrat: Lady Ilmakka Usva mka Kirsi-Marja Niskala Tiensuunkuja 2 as 2. 20320 Turku Finland tel. + 358 - 2 - 2396 331 From nordmark-request Sat Sep 7 17:50:32 1996 Return-Path: bubba@ludd.luth.se Received: from zero.ludd.luth.se ([127.0.0.4]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id RAA10227 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:50:31 +0200 From: "U.J|rgen \hman" Received: (bubba@localhost) by zero.ludd.luth.se (8.6.12/8.6.11) id RAA16515 for nordmark; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:50:29 +0200 Message-Id: <199609071550.RAA16515@zero.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Here vi go igen To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:50:28 +0200 (EET DST) Content-Type: text Status: OR Howdy, F|rgive mig for speaking so very d}lig svenska, but jag har a friend som var at Pennsic this sommaren. Till saken... Kan n}gon svara p} varf|r det {r s} viktigt att ett medeltidsevenemang {r arrangerat av Nordrike eller Nordmark? Har vi en medicinsk sensation framf|r oss? Kan m{nniskor m}h{nda utveckla allergier mot olika f|reningar??? Och t{nk... i framtiden.... Stackars taxiv{xeltelefonister... -"Jo... du stumpan... skicka ingen Volvo va.... du vet... utslag och grejer..." Nej, det h{r var bara en liten spontan reaktion mot hur allvarligt m}nga m{nniskor reagerar p} sm} obetydliga trivialiteter. Vi vet att sportf}nar, fr{mst de hemmah|rande i Fjolltr{sk, beter sig p} ett liknande irrationellt s{tt. -"\hh, vafanseejerru, d|||da dom jaalarana." (Citiat fr}n R}sunda Fotbollsstadion.) Nog om detta, tyck vad ni vill, g|r vad ni vill... S} l{nge ni inte hindrar mig eller n}gon annan att ha roligt. Tack och hej, plommonbuske. /Mj|dtunga. From nordmark-request Mon Sep 9 10:05:55 1996 Return-Path: annaf@sebank.se Received: from mail.sebank.se (yen.sebank.se [129.178.88.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id KAA18586 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:05:53 +0200 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mail.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA02984 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:05:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from se2000(129.178.2.1) by yen via smap (V1.3) id smas02830; Mon Sep 9 10:05:31 1996 Received: from smri002a (annaf@sebank.se) by se2000.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04877 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:38:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609090738.JAA04877@se2000.sebank.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 9 Sep 1996 09:45 +0100 From: annaf@sebank.se (Frimodig, Anna (ANNAF)) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: manusstopp tisdag Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR Hej Manusstop till Sparren igen. Imorgon tisdag kl 12.00 i det h=E4r mediet,= med=20 brevb=E4raren f=F6r snigelvarianten. Skriv n=E5t kul! Tora From nordmark-request Mon Sep 9 12:47:04 1996 Return-Path: rohe@vas.prevas.se Received: from mn3.swip.net (mn3.swip.net [192.71.180.33]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id MAA21874 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:47:03 +0200 From: rohe@vas.prevas.se Received: by mn3.swip.net (8.7.5/2.01) id KAA09814; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:47:13 GMT Message-ID: <199609091047.KAA09814@mn3.swip.net> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:31:20 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Kron torneringen nu i hOst X-Mailer: TFS Gateway V210U0395M Status: OR Hej alla prathögare, annonsen för höstens krontornering har drabbats av otaliga olyckor på sin färd ut till Folket och vi tar nu till så drastiska metoder som email och brev till drotsar... Här kommer den i varje fall, hoppas den gör nytta, sprid den om ni orkar.. Robert och Kim (Sven och Thora) =============================== Crown Tourney ----------------------- Greetings all who read this. The shire of Fathrundrialand is holding the Fall Crown Tourney, the site is the school in the small village Odensvi, street adress: Odensvi skola, 73193 Koping, Sweden. The site opens at 18.00 on Friday the 11'th October and close at 12.00 on Sunday the 13'th October. There is plenty of crash space in the gym hall. If You want other accomodations, hotels etc. please contact the autocrat for instructions. The fee etc. are as follows: site fee (12 and older) 50 SEK breakfast 15 SEK lunch 30 SEK Banquett 80 SEK Swedes, please pay to postal giro 4326360-7 SKA-Fathrundrialand, non-swedes may pay at the door and everybody who will come, please send a written reservation to Kim Hedlund or Robert Hedström at the adress below before the 30'th of September. Persons with allergies, please let the autocrat know of it so precautions can be made. We do not allow any pets on the site since it is a school with some allergic children. If You plan on doing any kind of fighting or fencing bring Your SCA membership card and authorization card. For instructions on the crown tournament itself we direct You to their Majesties and the Seneschal. Directions: By car: >From Stockholm: Take E18 west drive past Vasteras and keep driving for 30 km take the exit Munktorp and then turn right (north). Drive 100-200 m then take left towards Odensvi, after 4 km You reach the village, the first house on the left side is the elementary school. >From South: Either drive first to Stockholm and follow the directions above or drive to Koping and then go on E18 east for 10 km. Take the exit Munktorp and go north (a right turn after the exit), follow the directions above. >From North: Either go to Vasteras or Koping then follow the directions above. By train: Take the train to Koping, make sure You let the autocrats know You are coming.. (gas money for picking You up is expected) By plane: Take the plane to Arlanda, make sure You let the autocrats know You are coming well in advance.. (gas money for picking You up is expected) Autocrats: Kim Hedlund Fd. Lararbostaden Munktorp 731 70 Koping Robert Hedström Fd. Lararbostaden Munktorp 731 70 Koping Phone: +46 (0)221 40414 Email: rohe@vas.prevas.se From nordmark-request Mon Sep 9 16:28:42 1996 Return-Path: vader@csd.uu.se Received: from groucho.csd.uu.se (groucho.csd.uu.se [130.238.12.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id QAA27290; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:28:40 +0200 From: vader@csd.uu.se Received: (from vader@localhost) by groucho.csd.uu.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA06509; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:28:39 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:28:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199609091428.QAA06509@groucho.csd.uu.se> To: bubba@ludd.luth.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <199609071550.RAA16515@zero.ludd.luth.se> (bubba@ludd.luth.se) Subject: Re: Here vi go igen Status: OR Jag kan t{nka mig att det har en viss betydelse f|r SCA-folket eftersom SCA-evenemang {r "officiella" och d} m}ste lyda under best{mda regler. Har man k{mpalekar till exempel s} m}ste RoTL g{lla,och alla m}ste vara auktoriserade av SCA med waivers och s} vidare. S} l{nge dessa krav finns kan f|rst}s icke-SCAiter inte sl}ss vid SCA-evenemang till exempel. ]t andra h}llet g}r det d{remot bra. William From nordmark-request Mon Sep 9 23:57:13 1996 Return-Path: xordph@ludd.luth.se Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id XAA07087 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:57:12 +0200 From: "L. J|rgen \hman" Received: (xordph@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id XAA21887 for nordmark; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:57:11 +0200 Message-Id: <199609092157.XAA21887@father.ludd.luth.se> Subject: Frostheims g{stabud 4-6/10 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:57:11 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: OR FROSTHEIMS G€STABUD 4-6 OKTOBER Borgare och bšnder, MajestŠter och pšbel, hšren i noga pŒ. Frostheim inbjuda Œter hŠrmed alla och enwar till att wid Frostheims Œrliga GŠstabud fšrplŠgas med, och njuta af mat och dryck, stoj och glam, underskšna danserskor och mystiska magiker. Den fjŠrde till och med den sjŠtte dagen uti den mšrka mŒnad oktober kommer Frostheim hŒlla GŠstabud fšr alla och enwar som Šro friska i sin kropp, sunda i sin sjŠl och hafwa alla getter hemma i sitt fŠhus. De som inga getter hafwa behšfwa heller inget tak pŒ sitt fŠhus. Under fredagens aftontimmar skola wŠrdshuset hŒlla šppet, och som wanligt finner ni de delikata delikatesser som gšra wŒr del af landet sŒ ŒtrŒvŠrt fšr fogdar och plundrare frŒn nŠr och fjŠrran. Wi skola fšrplŠga eder med nyplockad flugsvamp och allehanda lŠckerheter. SŒng, dans och mŒhŠnda en och annan saga kunna fšrgylla aftonen. Lšgardagen blifwer det dans, sŒng och kŠmpalekar, den komma Šfwen att gifwa er tid fšr lšgande i den dŒ Šnnu icke bottenfrusna Šlven. Lšrdagsaftonen komma att šfwergŒ i mšrkaste natt under banketten i stora salen. DŒ vi hafwa lŒngt till prŠsterskap och biskopar komma sšndagen att bestŒ af stŠdning, packning och Šfwen afresa. Skola ni blifwa i trakten efter GŠstabudet kunna vi icke garantera eder sŠkerhet. Vi, Frostheim, hafwa fšrhandlat om eder fria lejd med snšjŠttarna frŒn norr. De hafwa godtagit wŒra anfšranden om att lŒta eder gŠsta wŒrt GŠstabud. Wi hafwa Šnnu icke nŒgon kŠnnedom om huruwida wŒra sŠndebud till uniwersiteten Šnnu Šro i lifwet, dŠrfšr kunna wi icke wid dags datum med sŠkerhet faststŠlla huruwida det skola hŒllas uniwersitet och fšrelŠsningar i wŒrt kŠra Frostheim. Ehuru komma wi att med kurir underrŠtta eder om detta dŒ wi kŠnna till wŒra sŠndebuds mŒhŠnda oblida šden. Detta dikterat af Herr Ulf Mjšdtunga om aftonen den 28:e dagen i sommarens sista mŒnad N€R KAN JAG ANM€LA MIG?? Sista anmŠlningsdag Šr onsdagen den 25/9, dŠrefter tilkommer en fšrseningsavgift pŒ 50 SEK. Betalning sker till postgirokonto 471 93 70-1 (Frostheim). Ange medeltidsnamn, modernt namn, adress, telefon, vad du betalar fšr och eventuella allergier, vegetarianism eller liknande. Inga djur Šr vŠlkomna den hŠr gŒngen heller, och inga brŒkstakar och uppviglare heller! VAD KOSTAR DET?? Frukostar l|rdag & s|ndag 15 SEK/st Luncher l|rdag & s|ndag 20 SEK/st Middag fredag 30 SEK/st Bankett l|rdag 100 SEK/st Fšrseningsavgift efter den 25/9 50:- VAD TAR JAG MED MIG?? Ta med er feastgear och egen dryck till banketten. Alkohol Šr tillŒtet. MŒltiderna samt banketten Šr tidsenliga, dvs PET-eller moderna glasflaskor, elljus och liknande Šr fšrbjudet. SŒ glšm inte ta med vaxljus, kandelabrar, krus och dukar! Ta med er varma klŠder, det Šr Oktober och ni kommer att besška den kŠnda vŠrldens nordligaste grupp. Glšm fšr allt i vŠrlden inte det goda humšret. HUR HITTAR JAG DIT? Med bil... Kšr E4 mot LuleŒ, ta sen vŠg 97 mot Boden. Fšlj vŠg 97, genom Boden och vidare mot Jokkmokk, efter ett par km kommer ni till VittjŠrv. Kšr genom byn tills ni ser skylten med Frostheim pŒ, fšlj denna. Framme! Med tŒg, flyg eller bŒt... LuleŒ har bŒde tŒgstation, flygplats(Kallax) och hamn, kontakta Autokraten eller Diverokraten sŒ ordnar vi hŠmtning. AUTOKRAT: Ulf Mjšdtunga (U.Jšrgen …hman) KaptensvŠgen 4 954 33 Gammelstad 0920-519 50 (hem) 0920-22 38 00 (arbete) bubba@ludd.luth.se DIVERSOKRAT: Styrbjšrn Halte (L.Jšrgen …hman) VŠnortsvŠgen 6:27 977 54 LuleŒ 0920-211 637 (hem) 0920-724 44 (arbete) xordph@ludd.luth.se MATOKRAT: Erik Fitz William (HŒkan Sundqvist) AbramsvŠgen xx xxxxxBoden 0921-72768 Vill jobba ifred. will@ludd.luth.se €n en gŒng... Varmt VŠlkomna ! From nordmark-request Thu Sep 12 07:46:25 1996 Return-Path: annaf@sebank.se Received: from mail.sebank.se (yen.sebank.se [129.178.88.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id HAA12442 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 07:46:24 +0200 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mail.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16153 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 07:46:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from se2000(129.178.2.1) by yen via smap (V1.3) id sma016151; Thu Sep 12 07:46:04 1996 Received: from smri002a (annaf@sebank.se) by se2000.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15773 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 07:46:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609120546.HAA15773@se2000.sebank.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 12 Sep 1996 07:45 +0100 From: annaf@sebank.se (Frimodig, Anna (ANNAF)) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: ingen adress till Sparren =?iso-8859-1?q?h=E4r?= Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR Observera att adressen annaf@sebank.se _inte_ =E4r lika med adressen til= l=20 Silversparren! Det som st=E5r i tidningen g=E4ller fortfarande. H=E4r r=E5= kar jag ha=20 min NML, men det =E4r en privatsak, h=E4r har jag n=E4mligen ingen dator= att g=F6ra=20 Sparren p=E5, det saknas b=E5de typsnitt, Macitoshf=F6rdelar och annat. = S=E5 sn=E4lla,=20 anv=E4nd r=E4tt adress, l=E4s p=E5 sid. 2 i tidningen! Mvh Tora From nordmark-request Thu Sep 12 17:15:28 1996 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from informixs-bh.na.informix.com (informixs-bh.na.informix.com [204.167.252.66]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA24837 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:15:26 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by informixs-bh.na.informix.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA04415 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:17:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199609121517.KAA04415@informixs-bh.na.informix.com> Received: from atlas.na.informix.com by informixs-bh.na.informix.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004409; Thu Sep 12 10:17:08 1996 Received: by atlas.na.informix.com (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA020091307; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:15:07 -0500 From: Rusty Cole Subject: Pennsic Woods battle To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (nordmark) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 10:15:07 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Greetings all, I've been asked to forward the other war reports that were on the Calontir list. I just got another copy, I deleted mine after I read them. So, if Pennsic war reports from a Calontir perspective don't interest you, Please delete the next few emails from me. :) Rusty rcole@informix.com > Tuesday was the woods battle. We took about 35 fighters into the woods, > including 5 scutums. The scenario was for 3 banners, each with movement > limited to an area of about 1/3 of the woods. Midrealm forces entered from > the north side, with the major effort being a push down the ridge line > between the two pine tree lines and through the dead woods. Calontir would > push forward on the right (north) side of the ridge to the end of the upper > pine tree line, and form a blocking force near the ridge line above the > depression at the west end of the ridge. Atlantean forces would push down > the left (south) side of the ridge to attack the East as near their > resurrection area as possible. The Midrealm wanted to keep the fighting as > far away as possible. King Edmund formed a command/recovery post about 100 > ft into the woods from resurrection, and conducted most of the battle from > there. > We moved out quickly, and pushed almost to the depression area. As our > orders were to fight to the depression and hold, Hyrim threw us on the > numerous enemy, who we drove back. Unfortunately, we lost too many fighters > to their superior numbers, and our remnants were quickly forced back. This > was bad, because the Midrealm had found and captured the middle banner and > planted it along the north field about 150 yards from resurrection, and the > Eastern forces quickly moved within sight of the position. Many of our > first resurrectees got there to help the defence, but not enough people had > got killed and back in yet, and Edmund had no reserves to help us out. The > East took the banner, and moved it somewhere back over the ridge. > Most of the rest of the battle, Calontir continued to press along the > right side of the double pine line and into the depression before getting > killed. We reformed well, and small groups actually made it almost to the > ridge above Easter resurrection before being driven off. An Eastern push > toward Midrealm resurrection caused Edmund to throw in a major force on the > left side of the ridge, which drove almost to the end of the lower pine tree > line. Edmund meanwhile gathered up almost everyone he could find, including > getting everyone out of resurrection, and lead a major push on the left pine > line. Calontir went between the pine lines and covered the push's right > flank against many scattered Eastern remnants. Midrealm forces found and > recaptured the middle banner, snagging it off its pole with a hooked spear. > The gun sounded 5 minutes later, and Edmund didn't know he had won until he > came out of the woods. There was some discussion of a tie, since the > Midrealm had the second banner but not its pole, but later the King of the > East declined his adviser's suggestion that he be a butt-head, and > acknowledged the Midrealm victory. > Wednesday started with the town battle. The town was a square, with 7 > houses forming an X. Calontir and Darkmoon (the yellow and black Midrealm > shield unit from Indiana) held the gap between the center house and the > middle house on the lower left arm. Eastern forces skirmished with us, but > as we were down and locked, they declined to attack in force. Darkmoon > turned back a couple of probes. The Midrealm wore down the East, and > finally broke through on the right side of the town, looping around to the > rear of the town before the East formed another semi-static line. The > Midrealm gradually pushed around toward us, and we got up and chased the few > Easterners facing us away just before the ending smash up. Most of our > shieldmen and polearms never had to swing. > Later there was a long resurrection battle, fought over three passes. > Hyrim was in charge for this battle, and kept us as his hammer force. We > would wait until the East committed to a major attack, then Hyrim would > throw us in where the Midrealm line was thinnest, and we would drive them > back to their end of the passes. This happened, I believe, four times, > usually on the left (upper) pass. Most of us did get to fight here and > there sometimes, but usually we were the organized reserve sent in to break > the East. By this battle, the Midrealm was loaning the East significant > units to keep the numbers near even, and the loaned Midrealmers actually > fought much longer and harder than native Eastern units. > Unit quality: In these and other battles, I saw few recognizable units > on the Eastern side that hung together well. Aethelmark's shieldwall > figured in the castle and bridge battles, and Trimaris seemed to fight well > as a unit. Other than that, the best units on the Eastern side seemed to be > Midrealm loaners and loaned allies (Drachenwald). Part of this must be the > lack of Eastern unit tabards, but I don't recall any units larger than the > Von Halsterns (a dozen or so) except those mentioned above. The Eastern > forces in the woods and pass resurrections were not formed into units, and > didn't coordinate attacks well. > Wednesday's bridge and castle battles later... > > > Kirk > > From nordmark-request Thu Sep 12 17:16:25 1996 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from informixs-bh.na.informix.com (informixs-bh.na.informix.com [204.167.252.66]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA24864 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:16:23 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by informixs-bh.na.informix.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA04511 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:18:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199609121518.KAA04511@informixs-bh.na.informix.com> Received: from atlas.na.informix.com by informixs-bh.na.informix.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004481; Thu Sep 12 10:18:02 1996 Received: by atlas.na.informix.com (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA022991360; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:16:00 -0500 From: Rusty Cole Subject: War Reports: The Second Bridge Battle (fwd) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (nordmark) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 10:16:00 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Subject: War Reports: The Second Bridge Battle > > The Friday bridge battle again found us on the right hand bridge. This > time, the bridge was under the command of Viscount Morgan of Drachenwald, a > friend of Calontir who knows our capabilities and is a real class act. We > fielded about 45 fighters, with 11 scutums. The strategy was the same as > before--take the center of the bridge, and try to win the spear duel until > they were forced to charge us, or they were so weak we could try a > breakthrough. This battle did feature face thrusting. > We took the center and set up without much trouble, after another unit > (I don't recall who, could have been Ansteorra again) charged in to buy us > time. I spent the next half hour or 45 minutes under the scutum, not > seriously pressed. We seemed to be winning the spear duel, but not easily. > We lost few if any scutums. I finally got replaced on the line after a leg > froze up, and a couple of minutes later Morgan called for a charge. > Hyrim got the scutum line up and charged the East, driving them just off > the end of the bridge. Before we could break out, the East threw their last > major reserves, Meridies and Trimaris, in to stop us. Most of the Meridians > shieldmen were killed stopping our charge, leaving a decent size Trimaris > force with some Meridian spears. Our losses, however, were quite > severe--only Hyrim, Gawain, one or two others, and myself among the > Calontirans survived the charge (and I missed it entirely). > We formed a new line with some Midrealm shields and Drachenwald spears, > withdrawn a spear length down the bridge. Edmund gave us two reserve > Midrealm units, South Oaken and Red Spears, which I formed into two columns > behind the front (one on each side of the bridge). This gave us the > capacity to launch a charge, and the room to withdraw the spear line if > charged. This time, the spear dueling went much more in our favor. After > 10 minutes or so, the East was down to seven spears on our bridge, with none > in reserve. We still had about 14. A Drachenwald spearman returned from > resting, and with two shots downed Duke Kane and the only other good > spearman on the Eastern side. Our spear line began to advance and push the > enemy back, and the Eastern commander saw he was out of choices--he had to > commit his last formed unit, the Trimaran shields. > We saw them forming for a charge, braced the front shields, and cleared > the retreat alley for the spearmen. They charged at a run, and funneled > into the alley. Our front corners held well. I turned my polearm sideways > shoulder high, and leaned into the press. I even had my head pressing on a > Trimarin shield. Gawain was swinging like a madman behind me, keeping me > clear and their heads down. A hold was finally called, and a quarter of the > attackers left, as did most of our front shield line. At the lay-on, they > pressed again, and made some progress around my right nest to the haybales. > Gawain was still covering me, so I turn right, got my polearm sideways > again, and shoved for all I was worth. The marshals called hold when four > Easterners fell off the bridge into their laps. > Gawain and my time had pretty much run out, though. At the next lay on, > there was a big hole in front of me, and Eastern polearms had come up. We > fought for a couple of minutes, and bodies had piled up in front of me > (mostly due to Gawain), when Gawain got killed by something and I was thrust > to the throat by a polearm to become the top man on the pile. This last > push was it for the East. Morgan gathered up all his free reserve--his two > shieldman bodyguards--worked his way to the front, and charged. The three > blasted through the left edge of the bridge, and the rest of the Midrealmers > went forward, sweeping the Eastern remnants off the bridge. They swept over > the center bridge (where less than 20 Midrealmers were facing an equal > number of Easterners), and quickly broke it, then jumped on the left bridge > to secure the victory. > The battle went much more smoothly than the first. I suppose we could > have waited to charge, but I don't know if we were winning the spear battle > at that point. As it was, the charge almost broke through, and cost the > East its last reserve to stop. Polearm support was very good, scutum > replacement was excellent, and overall fire control seemed first rate. We > really just needed more bodies. > > Kirk > > > PS: Coinneach commented that on the first bridge we don't know whether Dark > Moon's artillery would have backed off their wall if we had knee-walked our > scutums up to it and fought it out at polearm range. He is slightly > mistaken, because in this case we never would have charged the down line. > Their artillery would have backed off or died, I believe, because almost all > their artillery was spearmen. If they had stayed close, the poles would > have got them. Backing off would have exposed their scutums. Either way, > their scutum fighters probably would have died in place while ours survived, > with a clear front and ready to charge. > > From nordmark-request Thu Sep 12 17:16:58 1996 Return-Path: rcole@informix.com Received: from informixs-bh.na.informix.com (informixs-bh.na.informix.com [204.167.252.66]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA24877 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:16:56 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by informixs-bh.na.informix.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA04566 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:18:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199609121518.KAA04566@informixs-bh.na.informix.com> Received: from atlas.na.informix.com by informixs-bh.na.informix.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004531; Thu Sep 12 10:18:41 1996 Received: by atlas.na.informix.com (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA024941400; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:16:40 -0500 From: Rusty Cole Subject: Thursday bridge battle To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (nordmark) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 10:16:40 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Pennsic After-Actions, Part 2: Thursday Bridge Battle > > Thursday started early again, and we marched out of camp about 8:15 AM with > 40-odd fighters including 10 or 11 scutums. We were joined by 8 mercenary > bodyguards and the small Outlands force, so we totaled about 60 or so. The > first battle was the first bridge battle, no face thrusts. We had a medium > sized bridge (14'?), and the side holding two out of three bridge centers > would win. The Ansteorrans were sent forward to take the center, but didn't > quite make it before being forced to halt and spear duel. Next, the 20 or > so Chux went forward and drove the East back, and we formed a down and > locked wall with side doors a haybale past center. By this time, the > Midrealm household Darkmoon (yellow and black flat shields) had formed a > good locked line opposite us. We asked the Chux and Ansteorrans to > withdraw, but the Chux preferred to throw themselves on Darkmoon. Result: > about a dozen Chux dead, against one Dark Moon scutum killed. > Thus began the main battle on our bridge. We would send out skirmishers > to duel, but the Darkmoon shields were heavily overlapped and got excellent > anti-hook artillery support, so we pulled few over. The spear duel was > going only slightly in our favor. We did finally make a two-scutum hole on > the Darkmoon right (our left). Then Hyrim made his only serious mistake of > the war, which I attribute to inexperience in both command and scutum use. > He realized we had to close for action to get our poles into play > (particularly the hooks). However, instead of moving up to the Darkmoon > shields one step at a time while locked down, he had the scutums rise and > charge. Rhianwen and I penetrated through the hole on the left, and the > charge made all the Darkmoon artillery retreat. Unfortunately, our standing > scutums couldn't reach down to kill the down Darkmooners, and many were > speared down while exposed. After a hold, we had lost at least 5 scutums > for an equal number of Darkmoon scutums. Basically, we eliminated their > shield line, but lost our own. If we had had 80 or more Calontir fighters, > and 15 or 20 scutums, we could have afforded the loss, but we didn't, and > most Calontirans were now dead. > After the initial charge, the remaining Calontirans, with significant > Ansteorran and Midrealm support, pushed the East to their end of the bridge > and settled down to spear duel again. The East was thinned out for a while, > and Hyrim had received Darkyard (black trees on white shields) for a > reserve, so he deterimined to make a breakthrough. (At least, I think Hyrim > was still alive to command this.) The Ansteorrans, supported by the > Calontir and Outlands remnants, broke through in good order, but Darkyard > refused to help, and Eastern reserves bottle up and wiped out the > Ansteorrans. Meanwhile, the Midrealm had pushed forward on the center > bridge, but a strong Trimaris counter-attack pushed the Midrealm back past > the center point. A pointless Ealdormere attack on the left brigde, against > down and locked Aethelmark shields, wasted most of the Principality's > forces. After exhausting themselves in fruitless attacks on all bridges, > the Midrealm was too thin. The East broke through on the left bridge, > mopped up the center, and wiped out the Darkyard forces on the right bridge > to gain the victory. > Lessons to Learn: Patience, and Know Your Capabilities. If the > Midrealm had had patience, they wouldn't have wasted attacks on bridges > where they already owned the center. If they had waited, the East had to > come to them. On our own bridge, Darkmoon would have had to attack us > sooner or later for the same reason. Our attack on them was ok in concept, > but moving up to them on our knees as we have done many times in the past > would have worked without loss. We then would have had our polearms in > play, and the Darkmoon artillery would have backed off as they did when we > charged. We could have them quickly killed their scutum line, and preserved > our main line for defensive work or even a late-battle breakout. > Darkmoon must be commended for their efforts. Their scutum work was very > good, and their anti-hooking performance was excellent. We still outfought > them by a little, but we could have beaten them much worse if we had been > better handled (sorry, Hyrim). The Ansteorrans were hung out to dry by > Darkyard--if I were an Ansteorran, I'd have been royally pissed. > > Next: The Castle Battle, and Sheridan's House of Hooks > > > > Kirk > > From nordmark-request Thu Sep 12 17:20:55 1996 Return-Path: <@goliat.dc.luth.se:rcole@informix.com> Received: from goliat.dc.luth.se (goliat.dc.luth.se [130.240.12.20]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA24969 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:20:54 +0200 Received: from unauthenticated@informixs-bh.na.informix.com by goliat.dc.luth.se with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.2.8-NS) id AA22630; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:20:51 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by informixs-bh.na.informix.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id KAA04455 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:17:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199609121517.KAA04455@informixs-bh.na.informix.com> Received: from atlas.na.informix.com by informixs-bh.na.informix.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004432; Thu Sep 12 10:17:34 1996 Received: by atlas.na.informix.com (1.40.112.6/16.2) id AA022111333; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:15:33 -0500 From: Rusty Cole Subject: War Reports: The Castle Battle (fwd) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se (nordmark) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 10:15:33 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > A quick description, before the thunderstorm rolls through and tries to zap > the PC. > > The castle battle was fought around noon on Thursday. The idea was to have > a breached castle, with the attackers having an extra life to simulate large > numbers while the defenders would have a terrain advantage. The attackers > got to choose the breach points. Assuming you have a square on your screen, > attackers (the Midrealm) chose to make breaches on the lower side near each > corner, a breach on the right side near the upper corner, and one more > somewhere else (upper left, I think). > Ealdormere, Calontir, Northshield, and the Outlands, with a few others, > were to attack the lower right breach, and cover the upper right one to > prevent sallies. Aethelmark and another Eastern unit set up to form an > inverted L with its edge near the left end of the breach, thus forming a > small square area inside the breach (the wall formed the right side, and the > breach itself was the bottom). They invited us in, but we sent only > skirmishing spearmen to try to hook them down. Ealdormere covered > Aethelmark on the left, while Calortir dueled with other spearmen on the > right (or top of the interior square). The Outlands went up to screen the > upper right gap. > After a good deal of spear dueling, little was accomplished. The > Ealdormarines couldn't hook the Aethelmark big shields very well, while the > Calontir spearmen were only making small progress against the other unit. > However, then someone switched Sheridan, who had one of Crag's Q-Tip hooking > spears, over to the Ealdormarines, and the fun began. In 5 minutes he > pulled over about 5 Aethelmark shields (Ealdormere had only managed two in > about 15 minutes, I think), then got himself killed. With more room to > shoot, Ealdormere started doing much better. Sheridon resurrected and came > back to hook the last 3 or 4 big shields. Meanwhile, our spearmen had > managed to strip out the starting line on the top of the little square, and > their replacements were much more ragged. > Hyrim sent the main Calontir line in a charge at the top of the square, > and we drove half way up the side of the castle before most of us were > killed. Ealdormere also drove the East back and managed to get almost > completely in the castle. The Midrealm had been spending bodies recklessly > in the other breaches, and had seriously weakend the East while making > significant lodgments. With the resurrections, the East was now both badly > outnumbered and fighting on several longer, stretched lines. On my way back > from resurrection, there was a local hold inside (not outside) the castle at > our breach, so I stopped to talk to Finvarr. I pointed out that the 4 deep > Ealdormere line was facing only a 2-deep Aethelmark line, and should charge. > As soon as the inside layed on, Finnvar started yelling charge, and > Ealdormere broke through to join up with another advancing Midrealm unit. > Meanwhile, I had rejoined our line in time for the form up for another > charge. I think we had 5 or so scutums, and the second charge blew through > all organized resistance. We pinned the Eastern banner guard to the upper > right wall just as a hold was called. The King of East had been killed, and > he came by, complimenting everyone. His banner guard had sworn not to yield > his banner, so he took it away from them to allow them to fight > unemcumbered. At the lay-on, we quickly killed them, but without committing > any atrocities, and we got their thanks for being both nice and chivalrous. > This virtually ended the battle. > Supposedly, two legs and one arm were broken in the battle, and tempers > were getting quite hot elsewhere, so the pass battle that afternoon was > called off, as was the castle battle for the next day. This left the pass > and bridge for Friday, both with face thrusting. > > More on those later. By the way, being under a scutum I don't have a good > recollection of the Friday bridge until I took a break just before our big > charge (lucky timing, you'll see). Could somebody post something on that? > I'll cover the last part, which few Calontirans lived to see. > > Kirk > > From nordmark-request Fri Sep 13 16:42:19 1996 Return-Path: annaf@sebank.se Received: from mail.sebank.se (yen.sebank.se [129.178.88.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id QAA21866 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:42:18 +0200 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mail.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22429 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:42:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from se2000(129.178.2.1) by yen via smap (V1.3) id sma022427; Fri Sep 13 16:42:09 1996 Received: from smri002a (annaf@sebank.se) by se2000.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21607 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:42:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609131442.QAA21607@se2000.sebank.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 13 Sep 1996 16:41 +0100 From: annaf@sebank.se (Frimodig, Anna (ANNAF)) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: VB: FW: Friday laugh... Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: OR A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly > speak. > After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done. The monsign= or > replied, "When I am worried about getting nervous on the pulpit= , I > put a glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to ge= t > nervous, I take a sip." So the next Sundat he took the monsign= or's >advice. > At the beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink= .=20 He > proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon return to his office after=20= mass, >he > found the following note on his door: > >>>>>> >>>> > 1. Sip the Vodka, don't gulp. > 2. There are 10 commandments, not 12. > 3. There are 12 disciples, not 10. > 4. Jesus was consecrated, not constipated. > 5. Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass. > 6. We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C. > 7. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Dadd= y, > Junior, and Spook. > 8. David slew Goliath, he did not kick the shit out of him. > 9. When David was hit by a rock and knocked off his donkey, do= n't > say he was stoned off his ass. > 10. We do not refer to the cross as the Big T! > 11. When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper he said, "Tak= e > this and eat it, for it is my body", he did not say, "Eat me." > 12. The Virgin Mary is not reffered to as the, "Mary with the > Cherry". > 13. The recommended grace before a meal is not: "Rub-A-dub-dub,= > thanks for the grub, yeah God" > 14. Next Sunday there will be a taffy-pulling contest at St. > Peter's, not a peter-pulling contest at St. Taffy's. > > > > > The origination of this letter is unknown, but It brings good > luck to everyone who passes it on. The one who breaks the chain= > will have bad luck. Do not keep this letter. Do not send money= From nordmark-request Mon Sep 16 21:23:05 1996 Return-Path: eva@ebnilsson.pp.se Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id VAA25742 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:23:04 +0200 Received: from d1o1.telia.com (root@d1o1.telia.com [194.22.188.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA02666 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:23:03 +0200 Received: from [194.22.188.122] (t8o1p2.telia.com [194.22.188.122]) by d1o1.telia.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA26404 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:23:00 +0200 X-Sender: u86400466@m1.864.telia.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:32:42 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: eva@ebnilsson.pp.se (Eva Nilsson) Subject: Ting Status: OR Hej Som alla SCAiter torde veta vid det h=E4r laget =E4r det Ting den 21:a september. Som jag skrivit i Sparren =E4r alla v=E4lkomna med kommentarer ti= ll mig om man sj=E4lv inte kan komma. Dagordning: - Presentation av ans=F6kan om att bilda furstend=F6mme. - Diskusion om inneh=E5llet i ovan n=E4mnda ans=F6kan. - Skall v=E5ra utm=E4rkelser medf=F6ra ett sk=F6ldebrev (Award of Arms)? - Diskusion om att inr=E4tta en ny utm=E4rkelse alt. ett nytt tecken: V=E5rt st=E5th=E5llarpar har f=F6reslagit att det skall finnas m=F6jlighet f=F6r= dem och kommande furstepar att kunna ge ett tack till personer som de vill bel=F6na p=E5 n=E5got s=E4tt. Det kan tex avse n=E5gon som st=E4llt upp extra= mycket f=F6r dem under deras regeringstid. Det =E4r inte ovanligt att s=E5dana tecken p=E5 uppskattning kan delas ut av regenter i andra delar av den k=E4nda v=E4rlden= . Mary From nordmark-request Wed Sep 18 11:53:29 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id LAA05544 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:53:27 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA23232 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:36:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:36:26 +0200 Message-Id: <199609180936.AA23232@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Sven Noren Subject: Niebelung Treasure Event Status: OR >Date: 17 Sep 96 04:24:41 EDT >From: MATT MOORE <100125.3252@CompuServe.COM> >To: Gilliam Blackhorn >Cc: Jan Frelin , > Morgan the Grey , > Nordmark Herald , > "Mary Wood, Nord. Senech" , > Sir Sven and Thora , > Sir Prothall Wolfsbane <100345.1647@CompuServe.COM> >Subject: Niebelung Treasure Event > >Greetings, > The Baroness of Drei Eichen has asked that I forward the following >information to all in Nordmark so here goes... > >ATTENTION - DIRECTIONS HAVE CHANGED DUE TO CONSTRUCTION ON THE AUTOBAHN! > >Take your best route to A 61 south of Cologne (Koln). Take the exit >"SWISTAL-MIEL" off the Autobahn and follow the signs towards Euskirchen. You >are on B 56. Continue towards Euskirchen. In the outskirts of Euskirchen B56 >crosses B51. Get on B51 towards 'Bad Munstereifel'. Stay on B 51 until you >enter Arloff (small town). Ignore previous signs for 'Steinbachtalsperre'! In >Arloff follow the signs towards "Steinbachtalsperre" (that's K47, but signs may >not be very obvious). We'll post SCA signs all the way (in case of doubt - stay >on priority road). > > >Friday's schedule: Heavy weapon Open field battle > Ship-shore-battle > Bridge battle >Saturday's schedule: HW Woods Battle > Fighting the Dragon (4 vs. 1) > > Bear Pit, if some people still need to vent their >energy > >Hope to see you there > >Anna > > > Frithiof the friendly herald From nordmark-request Fri Sep 20 08:42:58 1996 Return-Path: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se Received: from hermes.pub.mil.se ([193.241.212.198]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA24285 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:42:56 +0200 Received: from [193.241.212.85] ([193.241.212.85]) by hermes.pub.mil.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA05942 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:46:19 -0400 X-Sender: jan.frelin@hermes.pub.mil.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:47:51 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: jan.frelin@pub.mil.se (Jan Frelin) Subject: Need Heraldry Help? Status: OR Vidarebefordrat av Jan Frelin: Need Heraldry Help? Greetings to the Rialto from Alan Fairfax! Everyone in the SCA has gone through the effort of coming up with a name, and many people have attempted to design arms as well. All too often, people come up with a name, and eventually get around to submitting it--only to find that their name and/or arms won't pass. Others run into problems from the other end--they're interested in a period name and arms, but can't find a herald in the area who knows anything about 13th century Lithuanian naming practices or what a Spanish warrior would put on his shield. The Academy of S. Gabriel is attempting to solve both those problems. We are a group of heralds organized to help people in the SCA develop period names and armory. We can offer free consultations with some of the best heralds in the SCA, and also have a growing collection of resources for anyone interested in names and armory. We discuss every request before we send out an answer, so you won't get conflicting information from different people. The Academy Web Page can be found at http://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~ximenez/s.gabriel/ Our email address s.gabriel@umich.edu People without net access are, of course, welcome to talk to us; please send an SASE and information on what you're looking for to Alan Terlep 1617 Washtenaw Ann Arbor, MI 48104 The Academy has totally open membership, and we are looking for more people. Even if you don't have a great deal of heraldic experience, you're more than welcome to join and learn. Please spread the word--if you have a friend who needs heraldic advice, tell them about us, or give this to your local herald. If you have a relevant Web site, put us in it--we are trying to reach as many people as possible. In service, Alan Fairfax Herald-at-Large, Middle Kingdom ximenez@umich.edu From x96-fcr@ludd.luth.se Mon Sep 23 16:50:18 1996 Return-Path: x96-fcr@ludd.luth.se Received: from bob.ludd.luth.se (bob.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.51]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id QAA27486 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:50:17 +0200 Received: from localhost (x96-fcr@localhost) by bob.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA07732 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:50:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:50:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Francois Chartier To: Nordmark Arkiv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hej, Searching a bit around the disk, I've found some nice pictures in your directory Bilder, and I really wonder where they come from, because I'm very interested in Sweden's story. I hope you didn't mind me to look at what you've got. Francois. (One of the French exchange students) From nordmark-request Wed Sep 25 00:21:40 1996 Return-Path: unicorn@csd.uu.se Received: from kobra.csd.uu.se (kobra.csd.uu.se [130.238.16.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id AAA06716 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:21:38 +0200 Received: (from unicorn@localhost) by kobra.csd.uu.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id AAA05892; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:21:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:21:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199609242221.AAA05892@kobra.csd.uu.se> From: Vicki Schalin To: rohe@vas.prevas.se CC: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-reply-to: <199609091047.KAA09814@mn3.swip.net> (rohe@vas.prevas.se) Subject: Re: Kron torneringen nu i hOst Status: OR Ang}ende Krontorneringen. Finns det n}got mer detaljerat program om vad som h{nder? G}r man miste om fantastiska saker om man kommer f|rst p} l|rdag morgon och inte p} fredag kv{ll? Kan ni avsl|ja ungef{r vad bankett och lunch kommer att vara? Ska vi svenskar betala senast 30/9? N{r b|rjar sj{lva torneringen p} l|rdagen? Alla dessa fr}gor...hoppas n}gra svar finnes..:-) /Deirdre From nordmark-request Wed Sep 25 13:32:20 1996 Return-Path: rodikov@pi.se Received: from mail.pi.se (mail.pi.se [194.52.20.8]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id NAA19152 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:32:19 +0200 Received: from [194.52.20.116] (d116.sth.pi.se [194.52.20.116]) by mail.pi.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17051 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:32:16 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: b5637@mail.pi.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:30:43 +0300 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: rodikov@pi.se (Maria Rodikova) Status: OR Unsubscribe From nordmark-request Wed Sep 25 15:30:38 1996 Return-Path: Sven.Noren@akka.kemi.uu.se Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.kemi.uu.se [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id PAA21548 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:30:37 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.uu.se) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA00389 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:10:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:10:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199609251310.AA00389@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_843690468==_" To: Anna_Frimodig@ssco.se From: Sven Noren Subject: Registrerat av Laurel Cc: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE X-Attachments: C:\EGET\HERALDIK\ANSKNGAR\REG-9608.TXT; C:\EGET\HERALDIK\ANSKNGAR\REG-9609.TXT; Status: OR --=====================_843690468==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H=E4r en lista =F6ver vad som registrerats av Laurel King-of-Arms=20 och SCAs vapenkollegium p=E5 sistone: --=====================_843690468==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Vid SCAs vapenkollegiums m|te i Augusti 1996, AS XXXI, registrerades bland annat f|ljande: Aros h}rad, m}rke: Or, an owl volant guardant wings addorsed sable and in base a trimount gules / p{ guld en flygande ut{tseende uggla, vingarna lyfta |ver ryggen, i svart och i stammen ett r|tt trippelberg. Olaf Eriksson |rnklo, vapen: Or, an eagle's leg erased sable and a chief urdy azure / p{ guld ett avslitet svart |rnben och en medelst gr{verksskura avdelad bl{ ginstam. Det h}r vapnet registrerades f|rsta g{ngen i Juni 1995....  --=====================_843690468==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Vid Septemberm|tet 1996, AS XXXI, registrerade SCAs vapenkollegium bland annat f|ljande: Baggeholm h}rad, namn och vapen: Per pale sable and Or, a stag beetle counterchanged and in sinister chief a laurel wreath vert / kluvet i svart och guld, en ekoxe i omv}nda f}rger och i sinister ginstam en gr|n lagerkrans. Frithiof Sigvardsson Sk}gge, vapen: Gyronny argent and vert, an orle sable / gironnerat i gr|nt och vitt, en svart infattning. Gotvik h}rad, namn. Martin Andreas of Windsor, namn. Olav Henriksson, namn. Padraig Gliadrach O'Ceallaigh, }ndrat vapen: Vert, a griffin segreant Or maintaining a trefoil argent and on a chief or three hearts sable / P{ gr|nt f}lt, en upprest gyllene grip h{llande en silverne trekl|ver och p{ en ginstam av guld tre svarta hj}rtan. Valter Henriksson J}rf, }ndrat namn.  --=====================_843690468==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Frithiof the friendly herald --=====================_843690468==_-- From nordmark-request Thu Sep 26 06:09:12 1996 Return-Path: sirjon@netcom.com Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id GAA09457 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:09:10 +0200 Received: (from sirjon@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA14339; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:08:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Edgerton Subject: IKAC 9/25 Archery(LONG) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR INTERKINGDOM ARCHERY COMPETITIONS The current standings in the OPEN division of the Interkingdom Archery Competition as of Sept. 25 are: 1) WEST-296.6. Ld. Andrus Truemark- 306, Bard Francis Goodfellow- 303, Joseph dela Tour- 281. 2) MIDDLE- 273.6. Mst. Grant Graeme de Mentieth- 297, Ian Gourdon of Glen Awe- 275, Ld Arinwald Rotstein- 249. 3) ANTIR- 264.6. Mst. Julian Edward Farnsworth- 303, Alexander Attila Gyory- 248, Jon Bowslayer- 243. 4) EAST-259. Li Kung Lo- 309, Ygraine of Kellswood- 276, Simon Kenric- 192. 5) CAID-256.3. Paganus Grimlove- 275, Robert of Watford- 258, Robert Lanternsmith- 236. 6) ATLANTIA-237. Reynard de la Rochefocald - 284, Roark of Hydra Hall- 230, Lorenzo Il Confuso- 197. 7) OUTLANDS- 220.6. Ld. Morcar- 227, Sir Mark von dem Falkensfenn -220, Steven of al-Barran- 196. 8) ATENVELT- 217.3. Ldy Caelina Resende- 219, Ld Salvatore- 218, Master Blackarrow- 215. 9) CALONTIR- 203. Ld Michael von Bergen- 211, Dietrich Isenhart- 200, Lief of Crescent Moon- 198. 10) MERIDIES- 163.3. Michael of Tweedale- 192, Mellord Rellik- 151, Mel Ordrellic- 147. 11) TRIMARIS- 140.6. Connie Mackenzie- 159, Deborah Hoile- 151, Erika Bjornsdottir- 112. In the PERIOD division of the IKAC the standings are: 1) MIDDLE- 266.6. Mst Grant Graeme de Mentieth(20%)- 319, Neko Me(10%)- 275, Ld Arinwald von Rotstein(5%)- 206. 2) CAID- 213. Robert of Watford(declined)- 266, John Garr(10%)- 189, Thomas Blackeep(10%)- 184. 3) EAST- 167. Li Kung Lo(10%)- 238, Orm of Lochmor(20%)- 139, Thyri Oddsdottir(15%)- 124. In the PERIOD CROSSBOW division the standings are: 1) EAST- 305.3. Li Kung Lo(20%)- 334, Colin Ursell(20%)- 314, William Cavendish(10%)- 268. 2) ANSTEORRA-139.3. James ap Benyl(10%)- 185, Stefan Von Drachehfels(15%)- 129, Il Dawach- 104. In the MODERN CROSSBOW division the scores are: 1)MIDDLE- 258.6. Cionaod- 266, Ld allen of Caerlaverock- 265, Donaldus fletcher- 245. 2) CAID- 222. Paganus Grimlove-247, Robert of Watford- 213, Ld. Kurt von Arrikselvea- 206. 3) WEST- 215.6. Bard Francis Goodfellow- 318, koronada Tomadashi- 165, William Cumyn(Lochoc)- 164. In the Interkingdom Combat Archery Competition the standings are: 1)WEST- 216.6. Roland Losjhelm(Lochoc) 240, Martin Whistler- 213, Joseph de la Tour- 197. 2) ANTIR-181. Erik the Lost- 223, William MacAntoishi- 161, Thorvald Grimsson- 159. For information or rules, send a SASE (business size) with 32 cents postage for the IKAC rules. For the IKCAC rules or both the IKAC and IKCAC rules send a SASE(business size) with 55 cents to the Keeper of the IKAC and IKCAC: Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, c/o John R. Edgerton, 7662 Wells Ave, Newark, CA 94560-3530. Or email at: sirjon@netcom.com. (510) 791-9070. From nordmark-request Thu Sep 26 06:11:44 1996 Return-Path: sirjon@netcom.com Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id GAA09496 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:11:42 +0200 Received: (from sirjon@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA14860; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:11:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Edgerton Subject: Pennsic AMJ (ARCHERY-LONG) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR The Archery Masterworks competition at Pennsic XXV was done on Aug 13th. There were two classes for entries: Period (in which articles were judged for accurate replication and documentation among their attributes) and SCA Artifact (in which form, function and ingenuity were the primary attributes and not requiring documentation). All articles could only be entered in ONE class. There were over 40 entries and all of them were of very high quality. The scoring was tight and took a long time with many discussions among judges on fine points of technique. IN THE PERIOD CLASS the winners were (in order): Elkin du Verre .....................for a commemorative arrow ....19.2 Ailean Mac an Daroch...........14thC Crossbow.....................18.7 Tnek the Ainissestor... arrows.......................................... .17.4 Eve Stoneheart......................flemish bowstring.............16.2 Grant Graeme de Menteith......Arab Returning Arrows......... .....16.0 Geoffrey St. Alban..................period targetarrows..... .....16.0 Ygraine of Kellswood...............leather bracer.................15.7 IN THE SCA ARTIFACT CLASS the winners were (in order): Geoffrei St. Alban..................back quiver...................19.6 Grant Graeme de Menteith.....self bow.............................19.3 Kai McLean....arrows..............................................19.1 Micheala Isabella Botticello....ash longbow.......................18.7 Ailean Mac an Daroch...........crossbow (half bow style)..........18.3 Robert the Gray.....quiver........................................18.3 Trebor Stephenson ....crossbow....................................18.16 Scrolls were graciously presented by the Royalty of the East to the 1st place winners, but all of the gentles listed in the top 7 in their classes of entry deserve high honors as the articles were truly outstanding and the competition was worthy of a Knowne World class event. There is an Archery Masterwork Judging planed for Estrella War. (by Ailean Mac an Daroch) From nordmark-request Fri Sep 27 15:15:03 1996 Return-Path: masc@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com Received: from hplb.hpl.hp.com (hplb.hpl.hp.com [15.255.59.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id PAA13430 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:15:00 +0200 Received: from hpustoix.sweden.hp.com by hplb.hpl.hp.com; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:14:52 +0100 Received: by hpustoix.sweden.hp.com (1.37.109.16/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA002710089; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:14:49 +0200 From: Marie Schroder Message-Id: <199609271314.AA002710089@hpustoix.sweden.hp.com> Subject: Kaempatraeningslaeger i Aros! To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 15:14:48 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Status: OR Hej alla fightersugna! Glada nyheter! Aarets kaempatraeningslaeger i Aros kommer att haallas helgen 15-17 November! Kontakta Herr Johann Berndt paa telefon 018/520941 eller invaenta fullstaendig annons om ni vill veta mer! Kom, slaa en vaen och var glad! Marie