From nordmark-request Fri Aug 1 15:50:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.sebank.se (yen.sebank.se [129.178.88.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12222 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:50:29 +0200 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mail.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13366 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:49:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from se2000(129.178.2.1) by yen via smap (V1.3) id sma013321; Fri Aug 1 15:49:28 1997 Received: from smri002a.sebank.se (annaf@sebank.se) by se2000.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14010 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:49:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708011349.PAA14010@se2000.sebank.se> Received: by smri002a.sebank.se via MsMail with Mimetic; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:33 +0200 From: annaf@sebank.se (Frimodig, Anna (ANNAF)) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Bayeuxtapeten Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Tips: http://blah.bsuvc.bsu.edu/bt h=E4lsningar Tora From nordmark-request Mon Aug 4 09:05:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mn1.swip.net (mn1.swip.net [192.71.180.97]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04907 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:05:28 +0200 From: torbjorn.sjostrom@teleperformance.se Received: by mn1.swip.net (8.8.6/2.01) id JAA06118; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:05:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <199708040705.JAA06118@mn1.swip.net> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 9:04:17 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Skafte MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /220000000/220040256/220000378/220080244/ Status: O Hej =C4r det n=E5gon som har Skaftes mail adress? Tack o aj=F6 Eskil From nordmark-request Mon Aug 4 22:08:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16269 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:08:03 +0200 Received: from mail.wineasy.se by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id fa539089 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:58:03 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970804220814.006bd040@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: jan.frelin@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:08:15 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se, torbjorn.sjostrom@teleperformance.se From: Jan Frelin Subject: Re: Skafte Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O At 09:04 1997-08-04 +0100, torbjorn.sjostrom@teleperformance.se wrote: >Hej >=C4r det n=E5gon som har Skaftes mail adress? > >Tack o aj=F6 > >Eskil ark5_49@stud.got.kth.se ... st=E5r det i censusen, i alla fall. Hartmann From nordmark-request Fri Aug 8 09:56:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.Kemi.UU.SE [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA07817 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:56:05 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.UU.SE) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA13364 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:55:39 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:55:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199708080755.AA13364@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie From: Sean Kirkwood (by way of Sven Noren ) Subject: Re: Again: Demo in Poland, 16th and17th of August Status: O > I do wish to ask you to make this known as widely as possible, >by forwarding it to as many people as you can! > >Thank you! > >Solveig > >OYEZ, OYEZ >Hear Ye, Gentles All > >Ours is a very memorable Period of time, since not only have there >arisen Shires in Italy, France and Russia, not only do we read about >Gentles of the Known World, spreading the Dream in Greece, Spain and >South Africa, no, also in this 'near east', close to the core of our >beloved Kingdom do new groups stirr and new friends await us, to get >to know and to share the Dream with them. > >Those of you, who had the chance of participating at the Next >Generation event may have made aquaintance with a lovely Lady from >Ploand, a valiant fencer and true SCAdian! > >This Lady Paulina is hoping to gain members for starting a group in >Poland. To this end, she is planning on a Demo at the Weekend of the >16th and 17th of August. > >!!!!!!!!!!!!FOR THIS SHE NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!! > >There MUST be some amongst you, who have the possibility of joining >her this weekend :-) > >She will be able to provide crash space for up to seven people, and >she will need help in demonstrating to an interested audience, what >the SCA is all about. > >This is a rare chance to extend the Borders of our realm, and we >should not let it go past untried!!! > >Those, who feel, they are capable of helping the Lady, please contact >her : > >> > Paulina Szwarc >> > >> > Ul.kedzierskiego 14/4 >> > 01-493 Warsaw Poland >> > by phone.:(48-22)638-85-27 > >Help sowing the seed now, and be proud of what you have acheived, >when you will whach it grow! > >In service to the Dream and to Drachenwald >Solveig (the messeneger) > > From nordmark-request Fri Aug 8 15:58:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.sebank.se (yen.sebank.se [129.178.88.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14129 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:58:14 +0200 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mail.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA27689 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:57:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from se2000(129.178.2.1) by yen via smap (V1.3) id sma027684; Fri Aug 8 15:57:13 1997 Received: from smri002a.sebank.se (annaf@sebank.se) by se2000.sebank.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19655 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:57:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708081357.PAA19655@se2000.sebank.se> Received: by smri002a.sebank.se via MsMail with Mimetic; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:02 +0200 From: annaf@sebank.se (Frimodig, Anna (ANNAF)) To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Gregor-hemsidan Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O http://www.music.princeton.edu/chant_html/ =C4nnu outforskad site som kallas "Gregorian Chant Home Page". Jag vet som=20= sagt inte =E4n om den =E4r n=E5got, men det kan vara v=E4rt att kolla. /Tora From nordmark-request Mon Aug 11 13:27:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mailb.telia.com (mailb.telia.com [194.22.194.6]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06131 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:27:10 +0200 Received: from d1o24.telia.com (root@d1o24.telia.com [195.198.252.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08384 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:27:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from roa (t1o24p47.telia.com [195.198.252.47]) by d1o24.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27873 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:27:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708111127.NAA27873@d1o24.telia.com> From: "Roger Antonijev" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:29:35 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O säger upp mitt telia abbonemang och går därför ur listan med denna adress, återkommer snart med tele2 adress. /Jakob Mörke(Roger Antonijev) roger.antonijev@ff.jonkoping.se (säkrast att nå mig på denna adress) roa@jonkoping.mail.telia.com (denna adress finns endast någon vecka till) PAX VOBISCUM From nordmark-request Wed Aug 13 08:45:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from vega.netg.se (root@vega.netg.se [194.52.205.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03876 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:45:37 +0200 Received: from valdez.netg.se (tynian@valdez.netg.se [194.52.205.52]) by vega.netg.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24608 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:45:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:45:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mikael Hasteus To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Landsknecht Living History Website In-Reply-To: <199705221602.SAA28903@zed.ludd.luth.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O Det finns ju en och annan landsknecht inom Nordmarks gr=E4nser, s=E5 ta en titt p=E5 The Kriegshunde Fahnlein nya v=E4lbyggda site http://www.st-mike.org/groups/german/homepage.html =09// Glappk=E4ft Mikael Hasteus NetGuide Scandinavia mikael.hasteus@netg.se http://www.netg.se/ Phone: +46 (0)31 50 79 40 Fax: +46 (0)31 50 79 39 From nordmark-request Thu Aug 14 18:04:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mn1.swip.net (mn1.swip.net [192.71.180.97]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20502 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:04:27 +0200 From: jannis.koukoutsas@carta.se Received: by mn1.swip.net (8.8.6/2.01) id SAA12651; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:04:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <199708141604.SAA12651@mn1.swip.net> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:45:10 +0100 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Byte av adress MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /220000000/221030220/221000864/221090235/ Status: O Hej! Byter adress till f=F6ljande: Jannis.Koukoutsas@citp.se S=E5som det var skrivet. Ld Petrc Monomachos From nordmark-request Sun Aug 17 14:52:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (F92.hotmail.com [207.82.250.198]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02596 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:52:39 +0200 Received: (qmail 13247 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 1997 12:52:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19970817125207.13246.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.244.175.32 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 05:52:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [130.244.175.32] From: "Christine Roos" To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Fwd: failure notice Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 05:52:06 PDT Status: O >Salve!=20 Tjenis! Tack för visat intresse för bågskyttet... >En liten undran en m=E5nad f=F6re Inb=F6rdes. Ni vill att vi skall = >g=F6ra s.k FluFlu pilar till en ny t=E4vlingsgren, och d=E5 jag f=F6r en = >g=E5ngs skull vill vara ute i god tid och ha mina pilar i ordning s=E5 = >undrar jag om det skall vara skytte r=E4tt upp i luften s=E5 att = >"blunt=B4s" =E4r att f=F6redra? eller annan typ av skytte s=E5 att vi >kan/skall anv=E4nda tavelspetsar? Tavelspetsar är att föredra eftersom det är träffar som sitter kvar i "fågeln" som räknas. Hur många pilar du behöver göra avgör du själv, men minst tre är nog att föredra! För att klargöra grenen så kommer en enkel beskrivning. En stor fågel ca 50x50 cm kommer att hängas upp i en trädgren och skyttarna kommer att skjuta på ca 15-30 meters håll. De pilar som efter rundan klart sitter fast i "fågeln" kommer att räknas. För er som blir oroade av detta måste understrykas att SJÄLVKLART kommer en vanlig "royal round" också att genomföras! I Inbördes och Drömmens tjänst/ Grim, Bågskyttekapten Juneborg. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nordmark-request Mon Aug 18 12:42:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from sdav01.seinf.abb.se (sdav01.seinf.abb.se [138.221.200.99]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27332 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:42:14 +0200 Received: from srodns.serop.abb.se by sdav01.seinf.abb.se with SMTP; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:43:01 +0100 (WET-DST) Received: from srow58.serop.abb.se by srodns.serop.abb.se with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA24409; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:48:11 +0200 Received: from srow166 by srow58 with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20814; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:40:47 +0200 Received: from srow166 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srow166.serop.abb.se with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA03806 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:41:30 +0200 (METDST) Sender: rohe@serop.abb.se Message-Id: <33F826D9.75C4@serop.abb.se> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:41:29 +0200 From: Robert Hedstrom Organization: ABB Robotics Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/712) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Melee träning i Munktorp (F-land) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Hej alla d=E4rute, vi i Fathrundrialand vill meddela er alla att nu p=E5 L=F6rdag 23 augusti har vi tr=E4ning i Munktorp, vi kommer huvudsakligen att arbeta p=E5 meleekunskaperna. Alla =E4r v=E4lkomna, p=E5 kv=E4llen kommer vi att ha fest, ta med egen mat och dryck. Sova kan man g=F6ra hos oss (Thora och Sven) eller i t=E4lt. Frukost p=E5 S=F6ndag ing=E5r och vi tar ut 20:- i avgift f=F6r att f=F6rb=E4ttra v=E5r fattiga grupps kassa och bekosta frukosten. Det finns v=E4gbeskrivning och mer info i senaste DT samt p=E5 n=E4tet http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/events/warpractice.htm Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar=20 Thora, Sven och Ivar From nordmark-request Mon Aug 18 18:40:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from maila.telia.com (root@maila.telia.com [194.236.189.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06061 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:40:12 +0200 Received: from d1o25.telia.com (root@d1o25.telia.com [195.198.160.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18591 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:33:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from t1o25p28.telia.com (t1o25p28.telia.com [195.198.160.28]) by d1o25.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10852 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:40:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708181640.SAA10852@d1o25.telia.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:49:59 +0200 From: Daniel Larsson Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Korgf=E4sten?= To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se X-Mailer: EMBLA 1.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Status: O Hej! Finns det någon därute som har två korgfästen över för en billig penning. Vi skulle kunna göra upp hela affären på Inbördes. Det vore trevligt med ett par egna istället för att låna. Hälsningar Måns Kotte From nordmark-request Wed Aug 20 10:34:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from dredd.swip.net (dredd.swip.net [193.12.122.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27587 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:34:54 +0200 Received: from frasse (dialup178-1-42.swipnet.se [130.244.178.42]) by dredd.swip.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24579 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:34:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708200834.KAA24579@dredd.swip.net> From: "Frank & Kristin" To: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?korgf=E4sten2?= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:33:48 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Hej. Jag letar också efter korgfästen. Jag behöver ett eller helst två innan Inbördeskriget. Är det någon som har ett fäste till övers så hör gärna av er. MVH Liv "Man kan aldrig så noga veta med bin!" Nalle Phu http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-21466/ Frank (Ulfr Raude) & Kristin (Liv Gunnarsdotter Måne) From nordmark-request Wed Aug 20 13:20:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from vega.netg.se (root@vega.netg.se [194.52.205.3]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01678 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:20:58 +0200 Received: from vega.netg.se (tynian@vega.netg.se [194.52.205.3]) by vega.netg.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17232 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:20:57 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mikael Hasteus To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?korgf=E4sten3?= In-Reply-To: <199708200834.KAA24579@dredd.swip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Status: O Tja skulle inte s=E4ga nej till ett sj=E4lv innan Inb=F6rdes, n=E5gon som tillverkar? Det verkar ju finnas en marknad :) =09Glappk=E4ft Mikael Hasteus NetGuide Scandinavia mikael.hasteus@netg.se http://www.netg.se/ Phone: +46 (0)31 50 79 40 Fax: +46 (0)31 50 79 39 From nordmark-request Wed Aug 20 13:31:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.Kemi.UU.SE [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01977 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:31:00 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.UU.SE) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA18752 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:30:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:30:09 +0200 Message-Id: <199708201130.AA18752@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Will McLean (by way of Sven Noren ) Subject: The World Proposal Status: O L=E4s och begrunda; hur vill vi ha det med SCA i framtiden. Sprid det till alla som inte har e-post.=20 Eventuella fr=E5gor kan st=E4llas till mig, sven.noren@kemi.uu.se om de inte finns besvarade i den FAQ som jag skickar direkt efter detta meddelande. ------------------------------------------------------- THE =93WORLD PROPOSAL=94 An outline proposal for a new international structure for the Society Drafted by Will McLean (Galleron de Cressy) Revised 8/19/97 This proposal is put forward by the Grand Council, an advisory committee to the Board. It attempts to suggest a structure that will better meet the current needs of the Society as a worldwide organization. Briefly, it suggests that the administration of the Society be restructured as a federation of equal corporations, each responsible for mundane= administration within its own jurisdiction, and each agreeing to follow the common rules of our medieval recreation. Those rules would be controlled by a body composed of representatives chosen by all the realms of the Society. The proposal does not address all details of implementation, but tries to give a reasonably complete discussion of the core issues. The Board has taken no position for or against the proposal, and asks for your comments before considering it further. At this stage, this is only a proposal. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please say so. Please send comments to the Directors at the corporate PO Box or to directors@sca.org, the Grand Council at SCAGC-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM, or, better yet, both. You may send postal mail for the GC to: Cyndi Baskett, P.O. Box 3460, University, MS 38677 (USA), or Janna G Spanne, Nyckelkroken 50, 226 47 Lund, Sweden Fax: +46 46 2224531 attn.: Janna G Spanne A more detailed version of this proposal is posted at http://www.sca.org/BOD/gc.intro.html, or available by e-mail from mclean1382@aol.com. You are both welcome and encouraged to post or reproduce this proposal, provided you do so in full without alteration. SUMMARY: I. Issues addressed: members of the Society in non-US jurisdictions have found it necessary to form a number of corporations, apart from the Milpitas based SCA, Inc.. Current SCA governing documents do not deal with this reality well. Where local corporations exist, Society officers must often hold dual memberships. Only SCA, Inc. memberships count towards branch totals. Corpora demands procedures that are either pointless or illegal in foreign jurisdictions. Growth outside the US is hampered by a real or perceived US centrism. And the Board is badly overworked by its many responsibilities. II. Actions proposed: A. SCA governing documents revised. Document called the Great Charter defines the elements of medieval recreation common throughout the Society. Lesser Charters, defining medieval practices specific to particular realms and controlled by the people of that realm, would also be permitted. Modern administration defined in other documents. B. Recognized corporations or other mundane governing bodies that agree to follow the Great Charter would control modern administration within their jurisdiction. They would make payments to support international SCA rulemaking and support bodies. C. All resident subscribers to local Kingdom or Principality newsletter to count towards population requirements for branch status, regardless of whether or not they are members of SCA, Inc. D. A new body, the World Council, would control the Great Charter and the recognition of SCA corporations. Each Kingdom and Principality may choose one representative to that body. E. Review, appeal and jurisdiction issues. 1. Realms permitted to set up bodies for review of in-game matters, subject to appeal. 2. Local corporations to have jurisdiction over violations of their governing documents, performance of their officers, matters affecting their legal or financial integrity. 3. World Council controls Charter, recognition of= SCA corporations, disputes between more than one SCA corporation where parties are unable to agree. World Review Panel created to hear specific appeals. Any interpretations of Charter it makes are sent to World Council for confirmation. F. Proposal to be phased in gradually, with World Council and World Review Panel beginning as advisory bodies to Board. G. The most significant cost of this proposal might be $10,000 a year for World Review Panel travel costs. Some revenues and expenses would shift from SCA, Inc. to other corporations. Savings are likely for international members. I. THE PROBLEM In many countries a local corporation must exist before the Society can be legally recognized or function within that country. In others, only local non-profits qualify for important benefits. Often, the Board as agreed that these local SCA corporations are desirable to meet the needs of the Society, and recognized them on an ad hoc basis. However: 1. Currently, Corpora requires participants to be members of SCA, Inc. to serve as officers or count towards membership requirements for branch size. Where local corporations essentially support all local operations, many participants must hold memberships in both corporations. This is often seen as unnecessary and burdensome. 2. Corpora specifies that the appointment and removal of officers is controlled jointly by the Crown and by officers of SCA, Inc.. This often creates anomalies in foreign jurisdictions. For example, the Exchequer of Nordmark might be considered either an officer of SCA, Inc. (In which case he controls no money, since SCA, Inc. does not operate or legally exist in Sweden.) or an officer of the Swedish Corp. (In which case he is appointed contrary to Corpora.) 3. While there are now several corporations that support Society activities, the rules of the game are controlled by only one, centered in the US. The current structure often assumes that the whole Society should follow requirements that meet US needs, but that hamper the growth of the Society in other nations. 4. Currently, the Board of SCA, Inc. not only oversees operations within= its jurisdiction, but also controls and interprets the rules of the Society worldwide, has sole responsibility for sanctions against improper Royal actions, and determines which foreign corporations to recognize and what their relation to the Society will be. The Board is seriously overworked. The Board could develop a formal procedure for recognizing affiliated corporations, give them control of mundane administration within their jurisdiction, and rewrite Corpora to allow members of those corporations to be considered members of the Society for purposes of satisfying branch membership totals. While desirable, this would not fully address problems 3 and 4. The following proposal attempts to outline a more complete solution. II. OUTLINE OF PROPOSAL A. REVISION OF GOVERNING DOCUMENTS The governing documents would be recast so that Corpora no longer mandates details of mundane administration, such as the appointment of financial officers and the administration of local branches. Details of modern administration would instead be contained in the bylaws and policy documents of SCA, Inc., and other SCA corporations. To avoid confusion with current Corpora, this proposal refers to the document that defines the common elements of medieval recreation throughout the Society as the Great Charter. Kingdoms and Principalities might also have lesser charters, specifying medieval practices not contained in the Great Charter, but more permanent than kingdom law. Unlike kingdom law, lesser charters could only be changed by the manifest consent of the members of the realm. B. MUNDANE GOVERNING BODIES Where corporations bodies have been recognized as meeting the needs of the Society, they would be given authority to determine details of mundane administration within their jurisdiction, provided they do not conflict with the Great Charter. They would control the appointment and removal of their officers, and requirements for holding office Such corporations would make contributions to support the body that coordinates SCA activities worldwide. This would initially be SCA, Inc., but eventually a successor body, as described below. SCA, Inc. could provide TI and CA to these corporations at a reasonable price. Alternatively, the production of SCA worldwide publications might be spun off to a separate organization at a later date. C. MEMBERSHIP All resident subscribers to the local Kingdom or Principality newsletter would count towards population totals for branch status, regardless of whether or not they are members of SCA, Inc. Members of recognized SCA corporations would qualify equally for membership discounts, if any, and in their voice in the international SCA body. Individual corporations might, within the limits of the Charter, have other categories of membership, and might set membership requirements to take part in their activities or hold office. D. WORLD GOVERNANCE Eventually, the power to interpret and amend the Great Charter, and to recognize corporations as part of the Society, would be shifted from the Board of SCA, Inc. to a new body, here called the World Council. Every kingdom and principality (excluding crown principalities) could choose one representative to the World Council, by any method demonstrably agreeable to the members of the Kingdom or Principality. Kingdoms could not dictate the selection method to be used by their Principalities. The Council may need a small amount of administrative support. E. REVIEW, APPEAL, AND JURISDICTION 1) Kingdoms and Principalities would be permitted and encouraged, but not required, to set up bodies to review in-game matters such as banishments. These bodies would need to meet reasonable standards of timeliness and independence, and to be in place prior to occurrences they are asked to review, rather than created ad hoc. Their interpretations of the Charter would be subject to appeal. This could be done separately, but is discussed here to lay out jurisdiction issues. 2) Mundane governing bodies would have jurisdiction over violations of their governing documents, matters affecting the ability of their officers= to fulfill their obligations, and matters affecting their legal or financial integrity. 3)The World Council would have final control of the interpretation and amendment of the Great Charter, the recognition of SCA corporations, and matters affecting more than one SCA corporation when the affected bodies are unable to come to mutual agreement. A World Review Panel would be appointed to hear specific appeals. Where the review panel must make an interpretation of the Charter to come to a decision, that interpretation would be submitted to the World Council for consideration and approval. F. IMPLEMENTATION This proposal could be phased in gradually. Changes A,B,C, and E.1 would probably be made first, with the World Council and Review Panel starting as advisory bodies, and eventually being given independent authority once they had proved their practicality. G. COST Most of this proposal could be implemented at little added cost to the Society beyond the time and trouble to develop an implementation plan. The main cost and revenue implications would be: 1) If the World Council is able to operate primarily by correspondence, electronic and otherwise, the costs of that body should not be great. 2) The World Review Panel may require fairly frequent face-to-face meetings. If three member sub-panels of a larger body meet about as often as the current Board does, travel and lodging costs might amount to $9,000-10,000 a year. Greater use of local review might reduce the number of times such a body must meet. The conservative estimate of additional expenses given above comes to less than 50 cents per member per year. 3) Costs and revenues now going to some SCA corporations would shift to others. During a transitional period during which the Board retained ultimate authority, non-subscription revenues and costs for foreign corporations might increase by $20,000 if all international members shifted to those bodies. The increase would be reduced to $10,000 once formal control of worldwide issues shifted to the new bodies. Since this would replace direct payment to Milpitas for those foreign members, their total membership charges could be about $26,000 less than they are now. They would pay less because the new structure would more fairly reflect support given to Society operations by their corporations, because the wasted effort of overlapping memberships would be reduced, and because their corporations are less dependent on paid staff. The change would be less financially favorable for SCA, Inc.. Continuing the somewhat extreme assumption that all international members shift to other corporations, workload at Milpitas might be 10% less. This is probably not enough to eliminate a staff position, although it would postpone need for additional staff. During the transition, non-subscription revenues to SCA, Inc. might drop by as much as $26,000, with a net reduction in expenses of $3,000. This includes added expenses for the World bodies. Once the transition was completed, revenues might fall by a further $10,000. Thus net revenues to Milpitas would eventually be $33,000 less. While $33,000 is less than 4% of the 1997 SCA budget, it is not trivial. The revenue shift could be covered in several ways. Stock Clerk prices might be raised to more fully cover Stock Clerk expenses. Or, once the operating reserve is funded, the $40,000 a year earmarked to build the fund would be available. APPENDIX: DETAILED DISCUSSION OF FINANCIAL IMPACT Review Panel Costs: Currently, the Board budgets the equivalent of about $725 per person per meeting, mostly for travel and lodging. That figure also includes some money for conference calls between regular meetings. Assuming, conservatively, that each quarterly meeting of the review panel was face to face, three member sub-panels of a nine member Review Panel, meeting quarterly (that is, three members meeting each quarter), would cost $8,700 per year. Travel costs for representatives from outside North America would be more expensive. If one of the members of the above panel was from overseas, he might attend one or two meetings a year. If the average cost of his ticket= is US $1250, or $750 more than the average travel cost for American members, that might add $750-1,500 to the cost, for a total cost of $9,450-10,200. International Costs Implications: 1600 international members and 700 foreign associate and family members now pay about $36,000 to Milpitas in membership fees, not including the amount allocated to subscriptions. Probably not all would shift to other corporations, at least for some time. However, to the extent that they did, Milpitas would lose this revenue. It would also lose some expenses: perhaps $7,000 in phone and credit card charges, office printing and postage, and at least $5,000 in international insurance expense, (or would receive equivalent compensation from other corporations for coverage by the Milpitas insurance). Milpitas registry workload would be 10% less: not enough to cut a position, but enough to push the need for more staff at= least two years further into the future. The Milpitas share of new World expenses estimated earlier would be about $9,000. So if all current non-US members shifted to other corporations, net revenue to Milpitas would decrease by $33,000 Non-US SCA corporations might have costs similar to the Swedish and Australian corporations. Aside from publications and insurance, both of these corporations have costs equivalent to $2 or less per member (of all types). The Swedish corporation has not found insurance necessary, the Australian one pays about $2 per member for insurance, a cost similar to that paid by SCA, Inc. If all the international members listed above shifted to this structure, they would pay about $4,600 in non-subscription costs, plus about $5,600 for insurance and their share of the World bodies=92 expenses. Net non-US costs would decrease by $26,000. Transitional Period: If there is a transitional period, during which foreign corporations handle their own operations, but SCA, Inc. maintains control of Worldwide oversight and game issues, the foreign corporations might make payments to SCA, Inc. to support this function. Since these functions would primarily involve only the Board, Executive Assistant, and Society Seneschal, a payment equivalent to about $4 per member seems reasonable. The above calculations assume 200 current members of non-US corporations, other than the Australian one, are not now members of SCA, Inc.. Since they are already paying members of non-US Society corporations, the only effect they have on these calculations is on the amount paid to support World bodies. From nordmark-request Wed Aug 20 13:33:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from akka.kemi.uu.se (akka.Kemi.UU.SE [130.238.66.10]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02050 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:33:31 +0200 Received: from oopc40 (oopc40.Kemi.UU.SE) by akka.kemi.uu.se with SMTP id AA18776 (5.67a8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:32:40 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:32:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199708201132.AA18776@akka.kemi.uu.se> X-Sender: frithiof@akka X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Will McLean (by way of Sven Noren ) Subject: World Proposal FAQ Status: O H=E4r de utlovade svaren p=E5 de vanligaste fr=E5gorna om det f=F6rslag till omorganisering av SCA som jag nyss skickade. Frithiof (sven.noren@kemi.uu.se) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Frequently Asked Questions about the World Proposal A proposal for a new international structure for the SCA is being posted widely throughout the Society. This posting is intended to answer some questions you may have about the proposal. 1. Who is putting forward this proposal? The proposal is being made by the "Grand Council" (GC), an advisory committee to the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc. Its membership is drawn from all over the SCA, and its deliberations are available by e-mail to any interested person. The Board of Directors has *not* committed itself to this proposal; it has merely agreed to put it before the membership for comment. 2. Why is this proposal being put forward now? The Grand Council was asked by the Board to look at various ways that the structure of the Society could be reformed to make it more responsive to the membership. Since the GC includes members from Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, and Sweden as well as the USA, the ways the current structure is unresponsive to international members became an item for discussion. The SCA is increasingly international in membership, and if we wish the Society to maintain a certain degree of unity of custom, some adaptations must be made. This proposal is the GC's best attempt to suggest how that unity can be maintained for a long time to come. 3. The World Proposal calls for multiple SCA corporations. What's wrong with one big corporation? The idea of multiple SCA corporations is nothing new. There have been "local" corporations outside the USA for over 20 years, and there are currently such corporations in Australia, Sweden, the Netherlands, and parts of Canada. These corporations have been set up to meet local legal or taxation laws, or to gain benefits available only to local corporations. Currently, however, the US SCA, Inc. both controls the rules of the medieval re-creation and in some areas serves as the umbrella group for foreign branches (such as those in Ontario). Sometimes this works to everyone's advantage. Yet the Board, Society officers, and Kingdom officers based in the USA have more than once required foreign branches to do things that were illegal or impossible in those countries. Corpora itself contains requirements that are questionable in some jurisdictions. For ordinary administrative matters, it would be better if the Society were a federation of equal corporations. If all corporations were equal, though, who would enforce the basic rules of our re-creation? The GC believes this job should be given to a new body called the World Council of the SCA. 4. How would the World Council be organized? Each Kingdom and each Principality (not including Crown Principalities) would be able to select one member, by a process agreeable to the people of that kingdom or principality. 5. Why do Principalities have a seat on this council with Kingdoms? A number of kingdoms cover very large areas and sometimes several countries. In some cases, they have adapted to this diversity by forming Principalities. Putting Principalities on the World Council would better reflect the cultural diversity of the SCA. For instance, if the World Council existed now and had Principalities represented, it would have one member appointed by Australians (Lochac), one by Swedes (Nordmark), two by Canadians (Avacal and Ealdormere), and one by Alaskans (Oertha). (Of course Alaska is part of the USA, but it is a very distinct part.) Without Principality representation, none of these areas, all of which support thriving Principalities, would be assured of any voice. 6. Would monarchs and Kingdom or Principality seneschals appoint World Council members? If that was acceptable to the people of the Kingdom or Principality, yes. The people of these areas could also opt for direct or indirect elections or some other method of choice. They could change their minds if they found their first choice was not working. The intent of this rule is to avoid turning the World Council into a permanent oligarchy of high-ranking people. 7. Would Kingdoms appoint the Principality members for its Principalities? No. That would defeat the purpose of representing the diversity of the SCA. If a Principality does not care to exercise its option to appoint a World Council member, no one can force it to do so. 7. What would this World Council do? First, it would "own the rules" of our common medieval recreation. Second, it would recognize local or national corporations that agree to follow those rules. 8. What does it mean that the World Council will "own the rules"? The World Council will do one of the jobs that the Board of Directors of the SCA, Inc. does today: interpret and enforce the rules of the medieval re-creation. In doing so, it would have the legitimacy that comes from representing every realm in the SCA, whatever countries those realms are located in. It will also accept appeals from aggrieved parties who feel that the rules of have been violated in their case. Like the Board today, the World Council would be the ultimate court of appeal to the actions of monarchs and Kingdom officers. A great deal of the current Board's time and energy is absorbed by such matters. 9. What does the phrase "the rules of our medieval re-creation" mean in concrete terms? The "rules of our medieval re-creation" are found in the Bylaws and Corpora; they include such matters as the selection of monarchs, the granting of peerages, and the definition of certain ranks and titles. Today the rules of the re-creation are mixed in with administrative rules that have a legal or financial aspect. Under this proposal, the rules applicable to the re-creation would be separated out and put in a Great Charter. The Great Charter would include all the rules that all SCA kingdoms and that all SCA corporations would have to observe. Legal, financial, and taxation rules appropriate to different legal jurisdictions would be in corporate documents of the corporations in those jurisdictions. 10. Would the World Council directly act as a court of appeal? What's to stop World Council members from burning out from hearing too many appeals? The GC proposes that the World Council would provide for the appointment of Review Panels to hear specific appeals. Only occasionally, at its own= option, would the World Council itself hear appeals. Some cases would depend not so much on the facts of the case as the meaning and intent of the rules. The World Council would have the final say on these Also, the proposal suggests that Kingdoms and Principalities be encouraged to set up independent review bodies to rule on such matters as banishment. If realms take this option (which might be difficult in "King's Word is Law" kingdoms), one could hope that the number of appeals to the World Council would drop. 11. Would the adoption of the World Proposal open up the rules to major changes? This would be no more or less likely than it is now. The Board has the theoretical ability to change any of our rules. To do so, however, it would have to reach a consensus on radical change, and then convince everyone else to go along with it. The World Council would face the same basic situation. 12. What about membership? Membership in any World Council-approved corporation would be the equivalent to a membership in any other. Which corporation you belonged to would be a matter of residence, not which passport you hold. However, as a visitor to another country, your membership at home would be recognized (e.g., you would get the "member discount" if any). 13. What about publications? The current bundling of membership with subscriptions would have to be reviewed, as would the financing and definition of official newsletters. The multi-national nature of the SCA has required a number of modifications of publications policy in the past and will continue to do so in the future, whether the World Proposal is adopted or not. Even now, in Australia the local corporation collects membership dues, produces the principality newsletter, and distributes TI, a publication of SCA, Inc. 14. Who would control the money? Legally, any group of people who hold money in common must follow the rules of the jurisdictions they operate in. One of the strengths of the World Proposal is the outright recognition of this fact. SCA monies in, e.g., Canada would be handled entirely by Canadians by Canadian rules. If Canadians bought services from the US corporation, such as TI subscriptions, or inclusion in a North American-wide insurance policy, there would be an exchange of monies. 15. How much would it cost? See the Proposal itself for a detailed answer. The short answer is, not a great deal. The World Council would not necessarily be a corporation, it would not necessarily meet face-to-face, it would not necessarily publish newsletters requiring printing and postage. 16. How would the World Proposal be approved? That's up to the Board. At the moment, the Board wants to see what the membership thinks of the broad outline of the proposal. It has made no commitment to any action as of yet. 17. Can't you summarize this more briefly? How about: the SCA as a federation of equal corporations, all committed to one basic set of rules, which are owned by all the realms of the SCA, in whatever country they exist. Or, looking at things the other way: the SCA as a federation of realms, all committed to one set of basic rules, and administering its legal affairs through a number of different corporations, each appropriate to its jurisdiction. 18. Why would this be worth all the trouble? The multi-national SCA can't be administered by a single corporation, and a corporation located in one country has a hard time dealing with many different sets of laws and its duty to supervise the rules of our medieval re-creation. A new way of assuring the continued unity of the SCA, in at least some basic matters, must be found. The GC thinks, and experience suggests, that members outside the USA want to be part of a big international Known World; they don't want their own SCA, they want to be partners in THE SCA. This new structure would make it easier for them to do so. The GC also thinks that US members like the international reach of the SCA and would prefer to have the SCA remain an international organization. Finally, the World Proposal would take considerable burdens off the Board and make the administration of the SCA, Inc. considerably less complex. Draft by Steve Muhlberger, July 28, 1997 Revised 8/18/97 From nordmark-request Wed Aug 20 22:07:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15358 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:07:41 +0200 Received: from [195.42.193.50] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa569223 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:10:20 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970820220728.006a4ae4@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: jan.frelin@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:07:29 +0200 To: NML From: Jan Frelin Subject: SIR Gilliam Blackhorn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Grattis Gilliam till din nya rang och v=E4rdighet! (som han just fick i Pennsic.) Tycker, Hartmann & Marie From nordmark-request Wed Aug 20 23:27:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (sirjon@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17689 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:27:28 +0200 Received: (from sirjon@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id OAA29074; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:23:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Edgerton Subject: target&combat archery,siege and thrown weapons lists (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Greetings This is an update on the archery and siege email lists. There is now a new sca-thrown weapons list. A discussion of updateing the rules on target and combat archery and siege engines for the SCA Marshal's Handbook will be carried on on these lists. There are now sca email lists covering target and combat archery, siege weapons and thrown weapons(live steel). They are an excellent place to get answers to questions and to share your knowledge and information with others of simular interests. The target archery list- sca-archery covers target archery and related topics and current IKAC/IKCAC standings. The missile combat list- sca-missilecombat covers combat archery, javelins, etc. The siege engine list- sca-siege, covers siege engines and other siege equipment. The thrown weapons list- sca-thrownweapons, covers live steel thrown weapons such as: as, spear, knife, etc. Please subscribe to the lists that you are interested in and let others know as well. Currently, a discussion on setting up siege engine rules and standards for the updated Marshals handbook is under way on the siege list. And discussion of updateing the combat archery rules for the marshalls handbook is on sca-missilecombat. Then finally, disucssion of making a set of sca target archery rules will start on sca-archery. To subscribe to the target archery list send to: listserver@wyvernhall.com with the following in the body. subscribe sca-archery (your name here) To subscribe to the missile combat list send to: listserver@wyvernhall.com with the following in the body. subscribe sca-missilecombat (your name here) To subscribe to the siege engine list send to: listserver@wyvernhall.com with the following in the body. subscribe sca-siege (your name here) To subscribe to the thrown weapons list send to: listserver@wyvernhall.com with the following in the body. subscribe sca-thrownweapons (your name here) Yours in service to the Society and to Medieval Archery Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf Keeper of the IKAC and IKCAC Society Archery Marshal From nordmark-request Thu Aug 21 20:42:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from sp-1.sto.telegate.se (sp-1.sto.telegate.se [194.251.182.35]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19830 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:42:34 +0200 Received: (from mail@localhost) by sp-1.sto.telegate.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03354 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:33:39 +0200 Received: from unknown(194.251.206.4) by sp-1.sto.telegate.se via smap (V1.3) id sma003348; Thu Aug 21 20:33:36 1997 From: Roger_Magnusson@kungsmadskolan.se (Roger Magnusson) Sender: Roger_Magnusson@kungsmadskolan.se To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:42:36 +0200 Subject: Rotting!!! 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Tack p=E5 f=F6rhand.=20 Och sist men inte minst ett fyrfaldigt K=D6=D6=D6TTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=20 =20 From nordmark-request Fri Aug 22 12:31:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08866 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:31:31 +0200 Received: from [195.42.193.32] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa571922 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:34:16 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970822122517.00695bf4@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: jan.frelin@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:31:21 +0200 To: SCAGC-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM, directors@sca.org From: Jan Frelin Subject: Re: The World Proposal Cc: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE, Will McLean Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O At 13:30 1997-08-20 +0200, Will McLean wrote: >THE “WORLD PROPOSAL” >An outline proposal for a new international structure for the Society >Drafted by Will McLean (Galleron de Cressy) >Revised 8/19/97 The overall outline of this proposal is a good one, I believe, adressing issues of both consistency and decentralisation. Some balance has to be struck. >SUMMARY: >I. Issues addressed: members of the Society in non-US jurisdictions >have found it necessary to form a number of corporations, apart from the >Milpitas based SCA, Inc.. Current SCA governing documents do not >deal with this reality well. Where local corporations exist, Society >officers must often hold dual memberships. Only SCA, Inc. memberships >count towards branch totals. Corpora demands procedures that are >either pointless or illegal in foreign jurisdictions. Growth outside the US >is hampered by a real or perceived US centrism. And the Board is >badly overworked by its many responsibilities. This is a reasonable description of the problem with the current situation. This in itself is a very important step, as the chosen problem description has a major impact on the solution... >II. Actions proposed: >A. SCA governing documents revised. Document called the Great Charter >defines the elements of medieval recreation common throughout the Society. >Lesser Charters, defining medieval practices specific to particular realms >and controlled by the people of that realm, would also be permitted. Modern >administration defined in other documents. No objections. >B. Recognized corporations or other mundane governing bodies that agree to >follow the Great Charter would control modern administration within their >jurisdiction. They would make payments to support international SCA >rulemaking and support bodies. > >C. All resident subscribers to local Kingdom or Principality newsletter to >count towards population requirements for branch status, regardless of >whether or not they are members of SCA, Inc. > >D. A new body, the World Council, would control the Great Charter and >the recognition of SCA corporations. Each Kingdom and Principality may >choose one representative to that body. Here the terms "Kingdom or Principality" are used as well with "Recognized corporations or other mundane governing bodies". What is the proposed relation between the two types of bodies? Can a corporation encompass more than one Kingdom? Can one Kingdom occupy the territory of several corporations? (This also assumes that the great charter uses the terms Kingdoms and Principalities.) I have no strong opinions here except to note that this ought to be clarified further. >E. Review, appeal and jurisdiction issues. 1. Realms permitted to set up >bodies for review of in-game matters, subject to appeal. 2. Local >corporations to have jurisdiction over violations of their governing >documents, performance of their officers, matters affecting their legal >or financial integrity. 3. World Council controls Charter, recognition of SCA >corporations, disputes between more than one SCA corporation where >parties are unable to agree. World Review Panel created to hear specific >appeals. Any interpretations of Charter it makes are sent to World Council >for confirmation. Can we really afford to have these two bodies in power? I would also propose that the entire World Panel needn't assemble for each decision. This could be addressed in two ways: the panel could form special sub-panels on specific issues, or it could be permanently be divided in parts. Cheers, ======================================================================== Hartmann Rogge Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@wineasy.se From nordmark-request Fri Aug 22 16:16:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15345 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:16:24 +0200 Received: from [195.42.193.39] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id da572497 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:19:06 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970822161610.006d9418@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: jan.frelin@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:16:11 +0200 To: NML From: Jan Frelin Subject: Angelcynn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Angelcynn heter en av alla Brittiska re-enactmentf=F6reningar. 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H=E4lsningar, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@wineasy.se From nordmark-request Fri Aug 22 16:43:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from eagle.ffa.se (firewall-user@eagle.ffa.se [193.180.254.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16191 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:43:55 +0200 Received: by eagle.ffa.se; id PAA03281; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:56:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jorpc.ffa.se(192.168.1.143) by eagle.ffa.se via smap (3.2) id xma003277; Fri, 22 Aug 97 15:56:48 +0200 Received: (from jor@localhost) by jorpc.ffa.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA04560; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:41:00 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: jor@ffa.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970822161610.006d9418@mail.wineasy.se> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:40:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Rikard Johnels To: Jan Frelin Subject: RE: Angelcynn Cc: NML Status: O Var? _________________________________________________________________________ Rikard Johnels E-mail: jor@ffa.se THE AERONAUTICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF SWEDEN Telephone: +46-8-6341002 Box 11021 S-16111 Bromma Sweden Telefax: +46-8-258919 _________________________________________________________________________ From nordmark-request Fri Aug 22 21:54:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26017 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:54:47 +0200 Received: from [195.42.193.35] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id qa572874 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:57:31 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970822215435.006dc6a8@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: jan.frelin@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:54:36 +0200 To: Rikard Johnels From: Jan Frelin Subject: RE: Angelcynn Cc: Jan Frelin , NML Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O At 16:40 1997-08-22 +0200, Rikard Johnels wrote: >Var? Oops. H=E4r =E4r den: http://www.hrofi.demon.co.uk/angelcyn/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@wineasy.se From nordmark-request Sat Aug 23 23:04:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mb02.swip.net (mb02.swip.net [193.12.122.97]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29391 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:04:46 +0200 Received: from 130.244.112.86 (dialup112-1-25.swipnet.se [130.244.112.25]) by mb02.swip.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25599 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:04:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <33FF6D2C.195880EF@swipnet.se> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:07:27 +0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5ke?= Eldberg" Reply-To: eld.berg@swipnet.se Organization: Indiana Jones University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: intressant websida X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Kolla in f=F6ljande websida. Inneh=E5ller bland annat en debatt om filmen "Braveheart" d=E4r diverse dumheter yttras. http://www.baronage.co.uk/contents.html William de Corbie From nordmark-request Sun Aug 24 12:31:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from karon.his.se (karon.his.se [193.10.176.23]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14054 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:31:59 +0200 Received: from student.his.se (zeus.his.se) by karon.his.se (5.0/his.se-970409) id AA18886; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:40:28 +0200 Received: from [193.10.178.212] by student.his.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-HIS-LMJ960823.7) id MAA26308; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:31:55 +0200 X-Sender: a95jonso@mhost.student.his.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970820220728.006a4ae4@mail.wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:27:11 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Jonas =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derqvist?= Subject: Re: SIR Gilliam Blackhorn Status: O Man f=E5r lov att gratulera! Det var banne mig p=E5 tiden... Om nu Sir Gilliam Blackhorn lovar att dyka upp p=E5 inb=F6rdeskriget ikl=E4d= d sitt vita b=E4lte s=E5 lovar jag att jag ska f=F6rs=F6ka vara d=E4r och ta= emot honom p=E5 ett s=E5dannt s=E4tt som det passar en nybliven riddare. Dessutom= hoppas jag p=E5 att f=E5 lite sm=F6rj...: ) /Aodhan macNiall, den sl=E5ssk=E5te From nordmark-request Sun Aug 24 18:39:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA23608 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:39:37 +0200 Received: from [195.42.193.40] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa574787 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:42:26 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970824183923.006e890c@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: jan.frelin@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:39:24 +0200 To: Jonas =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derqvist?= From: Jan Frelin Subject: Re: SIR Gilliam Blackhorn Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O At 12:27 1997-08-24 +0200, Jonas S=F6derqvist wrote: >Man f=E5r lov att gratulera! Det var banne mig p=E5 tiden... > >Om nu Sir Gilliam Blackhorn lovar att dyka upp p=E5 inb=F6rdeskriget ikl=E4= dd >sitt vita b=E4lte s=E5 lovar jag att jag ska f=F6rs=F6ka vara d=E4r och ta= emot honom >p=E5 ett s=E5dannt s=E4tt som det passar en nybliven riddare. Dessutom= hoppas jag >p=E5 att f=E5 lite sm=F6rj...: ) > >/Aodhan macNiall, den sl=E5ssk=E5te Det g=F6r han, det garanterar jag! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@wineasy.se From nordmark-request Sun Aug 24 21:06:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27946 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:06:19 +0200 Received: from [193.12.69.78] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id oa574978 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:09:11 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970824210612.00699cec@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: gilliam@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:06:12 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Anders Olsson Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E4l_m=F6tt_fr=E4nde!?= Cc: viking.klemets@stockholm.mail.telia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Hejsan allihop p=E5 prath=F6gen! Fick detta lilla mail. Finns det inte n=E5gra som pysslar med vikingatiden? /Gilliam >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:41:02 -0700 >From: Johan Klemets >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) >To: gilliam@wineasy.se >Subject: V=E4l m=F6tt fr=E4nde! >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by maila.telia.com id KAA04732 > >Hej! >Jag har ett par fr=E5gor som jag hoppas ni kunde besvara. > >1)Finns det en gren/s=E4llskap inom SCA i sverige som har VIKINGAR och >=E5terskapande vikinga-tid ? > >2)Finns en s=E5dan f=F6rening i Sverige ? > >Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning >Johan Klemets >Stockholm > ************************************************************ Anders Olsson SCA: Gilliam Blackhorn gilliam@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/ From nordmark-request Sun Aug 24 22:21:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00461 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:21:07 +0200 Received: from [193.12.69.57] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id wa575064 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:23:56 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970824221313.0069aa94@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: gilliam@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:13:13 +0200 To: Jonas =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derqvist?= From: Anders Olsson Subject: Re: SIR Gilliam Blackhorn Cc: nordmark@ludd.luth.se In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19970820220728.006a4ae4@mail.wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Hejsan Aodhan, >Man f=E5r lov att gratulera! Det var banne mig p=E5 tiden... Man tackar. >Om nu Sir Gilliam Blackhorn lovar att dyka upp p=E5 inb=F6rdeskriget ikl=E4= dd >sitt vita b=E4lte s=E5 lovar jag att jag ska f=F6rs=F6ka vara d=E4r och ta= emot honom >p=E5 ett s=E5dannt s=E4tt som det passar en nybliven riddare. Dessutom= hoppas jag >p=E5 att f=E5 lite sm=F6rj...: ) Sj=E4lvklart kommer jag att vara d=E4r! Menar du inte att att du skall ge MIG lite sm=F6rj?? ;) /Gilliam ************************************************************ Anders Olsson SCA: Gilliam Blackhorn gilliam@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/ From nordmark-request Mon Aug 25 11:24:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from allgon.se (gw.allgon.se [194.213.67.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15723 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:24:03 +0200 Received: from boss.allgon.se ([192.9.200.103]) by gw.allgon.se with SMTP id <27777>; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:22:08 +0100 Received: by boss.allgon.se via MsMail with Mimetic; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:22:00 +0100 From: "Kurtson, Fredrik" To: nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE Subject: RE: Angelcynn X-priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <97Aug25.112208gmt+0100.27777@gw.allgon.se> Status: O Jag f=E5r problem med att ladda hem sidan, n=E5gon mer som f=E5r det? Den laddar hem 99 % av musiken, och s=E5 skiter det sig, inte ens tredje =20 g=E5ngen gillt gick det... Vad anv=E4nder ni f=F6r browser? Sj=E4lv k=F6r jag just nu Netscape Communicator 4.0 Pro. //Archie ---------- From: Jan Frelin Sent: den 22 augusti 1997 20:54 To: jor@ffa.se Cc: jan.frelin@wineasy.se; nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: RE: Angelcynn At 16:40 1997-08-22 +0200, Rikard Johnels wrote: >Var? Oops. H=E4r =E4r den: http://www.hrofi.demon.co.uk/angelcyn/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hartmann Rogge Holmrike, Nordmark, Drachenwald Jan Frelin Stockholm, Sweden jan.frelin@wineasy.se From nordmark-request Mon Aug 25 21:43:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mail.wineasy.se (mail.wineasy.se [193.12.69.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA00266 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:43:53 +0200 Received: from [195.42.193.44] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha576505 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:46:34 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970825214339.0069ebdc@mail.wineasy.se> X-Sender: jan.frelin@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:43:40 +0200 To: "Kurtson, Fredrik" From: Jan Frelin Subject: RE: Angelcynn Cc: nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O At 10:22 1997-08-25 +0100, Kurtson, Fredrik wrote: >Jag f=E5r problem med att ladda hem sidan, n=E5gon mer som f=E5r det? >Den laddar hem 99 % av musiken, och s=E5 skiter det sig, inte ens tredje = =20 >g=E5ngen gillt gick det... >Vad anv=E4nder ni f=F6r browser? >Sj=E4lv k=F6r jag just nu Netscape Communicator 4.0 Pro. Netscape 3 /Hartmann From nordmark-request Mon Aug 25 23:49:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from dredd.swip.net (dredd.swip.net [193.12.122.65]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03640 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:49:45 +0200 Received: from frasse (dialup116-6-11.swipnet.se [130.244.116.131]) by dredd.swip.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06095; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:49:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708252149.XAA06095@dredd.swip.net> From: "Frank & Kristin" To: , "Anders Olsson" Cc: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?SV:_V=E4l_m=F6tt_fr=E4nde!?= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:55:07 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Man skulle ju kunna tänka sig att man kollar Sindre (Pysslar mest med medeltida bågskytte samt hantverk... Mycket seriösa och framförallt MYCKET trevliga) inte rikigt SCA-gren, men ändå lite "kvasi-SCA". Annars har jag fått för mig om att Agaria är rätt mycket vikingar?!! länkar finns i alla fall genom Juneborgs hemsida vill jag minnas http://hem1.passagen.se/juneborg/ Lycka till/Raude ---------- Från: Anders Olsson Till: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Kopia: viking.klemets@stockholm.mail.telia.com Ämne: Väl mött frände! Datum: den 24 augusti 1997 21:06 Hejsan allihop på prathögen! Fick detta lilla mail. Finns det inte några som pysslar med vikingatiden? /Gilliam >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:41:02 -0700 >From: Johan Klemets >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) >To: gilliam@wineasy.se >Subject: Väl mött frände! >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by maila.telia.com id KAA04732 > >Hej! >Jag har ett par frågor som jag hoppas ni kunde besvara. > >1)Finns det en gren/sällskap inom SCA i sverige som har VIKINGAR och >återskapande vikinga-tid ? > >2)Finns en sådan förening i Sverige ? > >Med vänlig hälsning >Johan Klemets >Stockholm > ************************************************************ Anders Olsson SCA: Gilliam Blackhorn gilliam@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/ ---------- From nordmark-request Tue Aug 26 08:30:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from eagle.ffa.se (firewall-user@eagle.ffa.se [193.180.254.1]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13034 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:30:24 +0200 Received: by eagle.ffa.se; id HAA28846; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:45:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jorpc.ffa.se(192.168.1.143) by eagle.ffa.se via smap (3.2) id xma028829; Tue, 26 Aug 97 07:45:04 +0200 Received: (from jor@localhost) by jorpc.ffa.se (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA01599 for nordmark@ludd.luth.se; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:27:28 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: jor@ffa.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:21:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Rikard Johnels To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Den stora vita paviljongen. Status: O Hejsan! F=F6rst av allt! Tack f=F6r att ni gjorde v=E5rt V=E4rdshus (Nattstj=E4rnan= ) till en plats f=F6r gl=E4dje och s=E5ng! Vi som arbetade d=E4r =E4r evigt tacksamma f=F6r all trivsel som spreds. Nu till min fr=E5ga;=20 Vems var den stora gr=E5-vita pavven som stod vid stranden (bredvid mini- golf banan)? Jag har en intressent som v=E4ldigt g=E4rna vill hyra den inf=F6r n=E4sta h= elg. S=E5 svar p=E5 detta emmotages g=E4rna s=E5 snart som m=F6jligt... Mvh. Iain MacCallum _________________________________________________________________________ Rikard Johnels E-mail: jor@ffa.se THE AERONAUTICAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE OF SWEDEN Telephone: +46-8-6341002 Box 11021 S-16111 Bromma Sweden Telefax: +46-8-258919 _________________________________________________________________________ From nordmark-request Tue Aug 26 10:23:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from allgon.se (gw.allgon.se [194.213.67.2]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15037 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:23:54 +0200 Received: from boss.allgon.se ([192.9.200.103]) by gw.allgon.se with SMTP id <27779>; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:21:54 +0100 Received: by boss.allgon.se via MsMail with Mimetic; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:22:00 +0100 From: "Kurtson, Fredrik" To: nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE Cc: viking.klemets@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: RE: =?iso-8859-1?q?V=E4l?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_m=F6tt?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_fr=E4nde!?= X-priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <97Aug26.102154gmt+0100.27779@gw.allgon.se> Status: O Harkel... Som f.d. aktiv och uppstartare av Agaria... Det finns n=E5gra vikingar, jag kan s=E4kert f=F6rmedla namn och nummer till = =20 intresserade, men Agaria =E4r fr=E4mst en medeltidsf=F6rening, men vi har tv=E5= =20 stycken vikingar och resten str=E4var mer och mer =E5t medeltid. http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-14998/Agaria.htm Sindre =E4r v=E4l mer en forntidsf=F6rening, kan man s=E4ga s=E5? Sindre har ocks=E5 en sida p=E5 n=E4tet, skall kolla vart bara, =E5terkommer..= . //Archie ---------- From: Frank & Kristin Sent: den 25 augusti 1997 21:55 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se; gilliam@wineasy.se Cc: viking.klemets@stockholm.mail.telia.com Subject: SV: V=E4l m=F6tt fr=E4nde! Man skulle ju kunna t=E4nka sig att man kollar Sindre (Pysslar mest med medeltida b=E5gskytte samt hantverk... Mycket seri=F6sa och framf=F6rallt =20= MYCKET trevliga) inte rikigt SCA-gren, men =E4nd=E5 lite "kvasi-SCA". Annars har jag f=E5tt f=F6r mig om att Agaria =E4r r=E4tt mycket vikingar?!! l=E4nkar finns i alla fall genom Juneborgs hemsida vill jag minnas http://hem1.passagen.se/juneborg/ Lycka till/Raude ---------- Fr=E5n: Anders Olsson Till: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Kopia: viking.klemets@stockholm.mail.telia.com =C4mne: V=E4l m=F6tt fr=E4nde! Datum: den 24 augusti 1997 21:06 Hejsan allihop p=E5 prath=F6gen! Fick detta lilla mail. Finns det inte n=E5gra som pysslar med vikingatiden? /Gilliam >Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:41:02 -0700 >From: Johan Klemets >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) >To: gilliam@wineasy.se >Subject: V=E4l m=F6tt fr=E4nde! >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by maila.telia.com =20 id KAA04732 > >Hej! >Jag har ett par fr=E5gor som jag hoppas ni kunde besvara. > >1)Finns det en gren/s=E4llskap inom SCA i sverige som har VIKINGAR och >=E5terskapande vikinga-tid ? > >2)Finns en s=E5dan f=F6rening i Sverige ? > >Med v=E4nlig h=E4lsning >Johan Klemets >Stockholm > ************************************************************ Anders Olsson SCA: Gilliam Blackhorn gilliam@wineasy.se http://www.users.wineasy.se/gilliam/ ---------- From nordmark-request Tue Aug 26 20:14:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from atle.abc.se (m9698@atle.abc.se [192.36.170.16]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00707 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:14:11 +0200 Received: (from m9698@localhost) by atle.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07955; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:14:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer.Romson@abc.se (Christer Romson) To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE Subject: Re: The World Proposal Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:31:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199708201130.AA18752@akka.kemi.uu.se> In-Reply-To: <199708201130.AA18752@akka.kemi.uu.se> Lines: 17 Status: O Kommer "The world proposal" att publiceras i Sparren? Har SKA - Nordmarks styrelse sett det? Dom kommer väl skicka sina åsikter till BoD? Vem är föresten ordförande i den styrelsen? Och när vill BoD ha kommentarer om det? Innan första Oktober? Lindorm >L=E4s och begrunda; hur vill vi ha det med SCA i framtiden. >Sprid det till alla som inte har e-post.=20 >Eventuella fr=E5gor kan st=E4llas till mig, sven.noren@kemi.uu.se >om de inte finns besvarade i den FAQ som jag skickar direkt efter detta >meddelande. >------------------------------------------------------- > >THE =93WORLD PROPOSAL=94 >An outline proposal for a new international structure for the Society From nordmark-request Wed Aug 27 10:38:32 1997 Return-Path: <<@nomina.lu.se:janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se>> Received: from nomina.lu.se (nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20451 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:38:32 +0200 Received: from janna.kansli.lth.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA17214; Wed, 27 Aug 97 10:40:40 +0200 X-Sender: klth-jsp@pop.lu.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199708201130.AA18752@akka.kemi.uu.se> <199708201130.AA18752@akka.kemi.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:36:55 +0200 To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: Janna G Spanne Subject: Re: The World Proposal Status: O >Kommer "The world proposal" att publiceras i Sparren? Ja - i oktober och i originalversionen p=E5 engelska. Den slutliga officiell= a versionen kom ut lite f=F6r sent f=F6r att komma med i september-Sparren. >Har >SKA - Nordmarks styrelse sett det? Dom kommer v=E4l skicka sina >=E5sikter till BoD? Vem =E4r f=F6resten ordf=F6rande i den styrelsen? =46=F6rslaget =E4r lika nytt f=F6r SKA - Nordmarks styrelse som f=F6r andra = medlemmar och styrelsen beh=F6ver lite tid p=E5 sig att reagera. Undertecknad styrelsemedlem tycker att ett gemensamt uttalande fr=E5n styrelsen =E4r en utm=E4rkt och t=E4mligen sj=E4lvklar id=E9, men det =E4r m= in personliga =E5sikt, *inte* ett l=F6fte fr=E5n styrelsen!!! >Och n=E4r vill BoD ha kommentarer om det? Innan f=F6rsta Oktober? Nej, f=F6r sjutton! De har inte satt n=E5gon deadline. Det finns en hel massa SCA-iter ute i v=E4rlden som beh=F6ver v=E4nja sig vi= d b=E5de problemformuleringen och f=F6rslaget till l=F6sning, f=F6r att inte k= =E4nna sig totalt =F6verk=F6rda. S=E5dant =E4r ingenting man fixar =F6ver en natt. (Frithiof kan intyga hur l=E5ng tid det t.ex. tog att g=F6ra klart f=F6r medlemmarna i Grand Council att det finns l=E4nder i v=E4rlden d=E4r det int= e kostar n=E5gonting att starta en ideell f=F6rening... Det kallas kulturkrock= =2E) H=E4lsningar /Catrin From nordmark-request Wed Aug 27 17:45:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from d2o28.telia.com (root@d2o28.telia.com [195.198.148.242]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02542 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:45:34 +0200 Received: from d1o3.telia.com (root@d1o3.telia.com [194.22.192.241]) by d2o28.telia.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13807 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:45:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [194.22.192.16] (t1o3p15.telia.com [194.22.192.16]) by d1o3.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18143 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:45:29 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: u86400466@m1.864.telia.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:51:26 +0100 To: Nordmark@Ludd.LuTH.SE From: eva@ebnilsson.pp.se (Eva Nilsson) Subject: Re: The World Proposal Status: O >Kommer "The world proposal" att publiceras i Sparren? Har >SKA - Nordmarks styrelse sett det? Dom kommer v=E4l skicka sina >=E5sikter till BoD? Vem =E4r f=F6resten ordf=F6rande i den styrelsen? >Och n=E4r vill BoD ha kommentarer om det? Innan f=F6rsta Oktober? Ordf=F6rande i SKA/Nordmarks styrelse =E4r undertecknad. SKA-Nordmarks styrelse kommer att diskutera =E4mnet. Jag hoppas att s=E5 m=E5nga som m=F6jligt kommer att tala om vad de tycker. Anv=E4nd g=E4rna Sparren f=F6r att sprida era =E5sikter. Jag kommer f=F6rmod= ligen sj=E4lv att kommentera f=F6rslaget i n=E4sta Sparre. N=E4r jag har bildat= mig en uppfattning sj=E4lv om f=F6rslaget. Mary, drots From nordmark-request Fri Aug 29 14:46:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03447 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:46:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199708291246.OAA03447@zed.ludd.luth.se> Received: (qmail 3552 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1997 12:46:25 -0000 Received: from du227-1.ppp.algonet.se (HELO kelly) (195.100.1.227) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 29 Aug 1997 12:46:25 -0000 From: "Kelly Boyle" To: Subject: furstetornering Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:41:25 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Hej alla listläsare, Det är nu snart slut på augusti och ännu har vi inte hört ett pip om furstetornering. Om ni har funderingar på att anordna en sådan, kontakta oss snarast! Planeringen behöver inte vara klar men vi vill gärna veta om någon tänker autokrata det här evenemanget... Johann & Celemon (boyle@algonet.se) From nordmark-request Sat Aug 30 11:17:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from atle.abc.se (m9698@atle.abc.se [192.36.170.16]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01150 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:17:08 +0200 Received: (from m9698@localhost) by atle.abc.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20045; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:17:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christer.Romson@abc.se (Christer Romson) Newsgroups: mail.nordmark To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Buss till inbördes Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:21:34 +0200 Reply-To: Christer.Romson@abc.se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 11 Status: O Det verkar som om busslinjerna till inbördes från Stockholm har ändrats. Numera går bussen Mjölby - Gränna - Jönköping via E4:an i stället för via Tranås. Hållplatsen i Gränna lär vara vid Gyllene Uttern. Därifrån är det en bit till hamnen. Det går att promenera därifrån, men jag skulle inte vilja göra det med en rustning i bagaget... I stället kan man vänta på bussen från Jönköping som stannar vid samma hållplats och fortsätter till hamnen. Lindorm From nordmark-request Sat Aug 30 13:02:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from send2.rocketmail.com (web1.rocketmail.com [205.180.57.67]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03297 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:02:37 +0200 Message-ID: <19970830105911.18605.rocketmail@send2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [193.180.36.170] by web1; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 03:59:11 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 03:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Katarina Wiberg Subject: gå ur listan To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: O Hej! Jag tänkte bara meddela att jag vill gå ur Nordmarks mailinglista. Tack! Emer _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com From nordmark-request Sun Aug 31 11:33:27 1997 Return-Path: <<@nomina.lu.se:janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se>> Received: from nomina.lu.se (nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27015 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:33:27 +0200 Received: from janna.kansli.lth.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA07988; Sun, 31 Aug 97 11:35:36 +0200 X-Sender: klth-jsp@pop.lu.se Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:31:45 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna G Spanne Subject: Re: Buss till inbvrdes Status: O >Det verkar som om busslinjerna till inb=F6rdes fr=E5n Stockholm >har =E4ndrats. ... I st=E4llet kan man v=E4nta p=E5 >bussen fr=E5n J=F6nk=F6ping som stannar vid samma h=E5llplats och >forts=E4tter till hamnen. Om det h=E4r syftar p=E5 Swebus, s=E5 stannar bussen fr=E5n J=F6nk=F6ping= *ocks=E5* vid Gyllene Uttern, enligt Swebus tidtabell p=E5 n=E4tet: http://www.express.swebus.se/ =46ast det finns kanske fler h=E5llplatser - ska maila till Swebus och kolla= =2E /Catrin ffg. till Inb=F6rdes From nordmark-request Sun Aug 31 11:36:23 1997 Return-Path: <<@nomina.lu.se:janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se>> Received: from nomina.lu.se (nomina.lu.se [130.235.132.90]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27058 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:36:22 +0200 Received: from janna.kansli.lth.se by nomina.lu.se with SMTP (5.65/IDA-1.2.8) id AA08057; Sun, 31 Aug 97 11:38:32 +0200 X-Sender: klth-jsp@pop.lu.se Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 11:34:41 +0200 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se From: Janna G Spanne Subject: Ridning =?iso-8859-1?Q?p=E5?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Inb=F6rdes?= Status: O Det l=E4r skola g=E5 att hyra h=E4st i samband med Inb=F6rdes. Har n=E5gon mer =E4n jag planer p=E5 att g=F6ra det? Vi kunde kanske= samordna oss. /Catrin From nordmark-request Sun Aug 31 15:59:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mb02.swip.net (mb02.swip.net [193.12.122.97]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01420 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:59:03 +0200 Received: from DGC (dialup168-1-5.swipnet.se [130.244.168.5]) by mb02.swip.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA09861; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:59:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3409F6EB.1B34@swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:57:47 -0700 From: Lisa Bonnier X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-Tele2 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nordmarks mailing list CC: janna.spanne@kansli.lth.se Subject: Re: Ridning =?iso-8859-1?Q?p=E5=20=20=20Inb=F6rdes?= References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: O Janna G Spanne wrote: > = > Det l=E4r skola g=E5 att hyra h=E4st i samband med Inb=F6rdes. > Har n=E5gon mer =E4n jag planer p=E5 att g=F6ra det? Vi kunde kanske sa= mordna oss. > = > /Catrin Hejsan Glada h=E4stfantaster! Om ni ska hyra h=E4st p=E5 Inb=F6rdes OCH t=E4nker rida dom i samband med= SCA evenemang s=E5 M=C5STE ni prata med mej f=F6rre Inb=F6rdes. Detta s=E5 at= t inget otrevligt skulle h=E4nda, vi har faktiskt regler f=F6r h=E4star innom Sca= som m=E5ste f=F6ljas. S=E5nt =E4r livet ;) Nu =E4r det s=E5 h=E4r att jag =E4r inte n=E5gon sur k=E4rring som inte k= ommer att till=E5ta ridning inom Nordmark om det inte skulle passa MIG utan m=E5nga= g=E5nger r=E4ker det med att "bara" ber=E4tta f=F6r mig vad som ni vill g= =F6ra med h=E4starna p=E5 evenemanget. "Vi" ryttare har ett ansvar inf=F6r dom som = =E4r allergiska, r=E4dda och dom som inte tycker om h=E4star. Visar vi ett got= t uppf=F6rande p=E5 "v=E5ra" evenemang s=E5 kommer vi f=E5 glada och hj=E4l= psamma m=E4nniskor omkring oss som ser med gl=E4dje p=E5 oss n=E4r vi kommer och= inte som n=E5gra dumma oomt=E4nksamma idioter. :D Med hopp om ett s=E4ker s=E4te och glada tillrop! Vi syns p=E5 Inb=F6rdes! Nordmarks H=E4stmarsk Elise M'Gillione From nordmark-request Sun Aug 31 23:47:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from janus.swip.net (janus.swip.net [193.12.122.49]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11780 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:47:27 +0200 Received: from frasse (dialup178-3-50.swipnet.se [130.244.178.178]) by janus.swip.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07144 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:47:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199708312147.XAA07144@janus.swip.net> From: "Frank & Kristin" To: Subject: ridning? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 23:44:41 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Till alla er som har tänkt att rida på Visingsö: På grund av ett stort missförstånd mellan mig och en hästuthyrare på Visingsö fick jag för några dagar sedan veta att alla hästar han hade var uthyrda till en ridskola eller likn. just den aktuella helgen. Jag fick ordentlig PANIK, eftersom det var jag som höll i den kontakten och trodde fram till nu att allt var grönt. Jag har fortfarande inte fått fram något bra alternativ men jag jobbar stenhårt på det, har en bunt telefonnummer som jag skall kolla upp. Jag är ledsen att det blivit så här, jag skall göra mitt bästa för att ordna upp det. Jag vill dock ändå förbereda folk på att det har blivit strul, så att inte man har allt för höga förväntningar på den fronten. Jag hör av mig så fort jag vet något. MVH Liv Gunnarsdotter Måne "Man kan aldrig så noga veta med bin!" Nalle Phu http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-21466/ Frank (Ulfr Raude) & Kristin (Liv Gunnarsdotter Måne) From nordmark-request Mon Sep 1 20:41:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07031 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:41:06 +0200 Received: (qmail 14250 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1997 18:41:04 -0000 Received: from du120-144.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.144.120) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 1 Sep 1997 18:41:04 -0000 Message-ID: <33FA6A23.65CA@algonet.se> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:53:07 -0700 From: Mats Bergstrom Reply-To: walderik@algonet.se X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Buss till inbvrdes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Janna G Spanne wrote: > > >Det verkar som om busslinjerna till inbördes från Stockholm > >har ändrats. ... I stället kan man vänta på > >bussen från Jönköping som stannar vid samma hållplats och > >fortsätter till hamnen. > > Om det här syftar på Swebus, så stannar bussen från Jönköping *också* vid > Gyllene Uttern, enligt Swebus tidtabell på nätet: > http://www.express.swebus.se/ > Fast det finns kanske fler hållplatser - ska maila till Swebus och kolla. > > /Catrin > ffg. till Inbördes Det går busslinje 121 från Jkpg. Den stannar vid Gyllen Uttern och anländer till Gränna hamn. mvh Gröne From nordmark-request Fri Sep 5 18:52:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.algonet.se (tomei.algonet.se [194.213.74.114]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26307 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:52:03 +0200 Received: (qmail 8129 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1997 16:51:59 -0000 Received: from du63-145.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.145.63) by tomei.algonet.se with SMTP; 5 Sep 1997 16:51:59 -0000 Message-ID: <33FA51B9.781E@algonet.se> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:08:57 -0700 From: Mats Bergstrom Reply-To: walderik@algonet.se X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Re: Skänninge alternativ till inb ördeskrig References: <1997090513515416558080@du201-5.ppp.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Vicki Schalin wrote: > > Hej alla marknadsintresserade! > > Samma helg som Inbördeskriget pågår en annan medeltida marknad i > Skänninge, kallad Skeninge Medeltidsmarken. Synd att du inte dyker upp på Visingsös Medeltidsmarknad då. Jag antar att de helt enkelt får planera tiderna lite bättre till nästa år. Om du ångrar dig är marknaden nog mest på lördagen, så eftersom det inte är speciellt långt mellan platserna kan du kombinera försäljning på båda. /Gröne From nordmark-request Wed Sep 10 23:54:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24371 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:54:56 +0200 Received: (qmail 23563 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1997 21:54:53 -0000 Received: from du50-150.ppp.algonet.se (195.100.150.50) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 10 Sep 1997 21:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3400E37E.5E52@algonet.se> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:44:30 -0700 From: Mats Bergstrom Reply-To: walderik@algonet.se X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nordmark@ludd.luth.se Subject: Inbordesslagen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Hej, Här är en sista preleminär version av de slag som kommer att avhållas på Inbördeskriget. Inget är 100% spikat, utan det kan kommas att ändras ända in i sista timman. Det här är dock vad vi planerar efter. /Gröne - Vice slåssansvarig Regler för slagen på Visingsö I samtliga slag är följande områden förbjudna att slåss på: bron över bäcken vid skogen, på Vättersidan utanför stigen vid skogen och trappan upp till borgen. Naturligtvis kan marskarna under slagen också av säkerhetskäl förbjuda fler områden. Uppvärmningsslag -Fältslag i Borgen 2 poäng till segrande sidan Bågskyttar ej tillåtna Slag 1 - Invasionsslag Slag i fyra delslag/steg. · Bågskyttar OK. · Totalt har varje kämpe 3 (tre) liv. · Återupplivning sker mellan stegen. En kämpe kan välja att stå över ett slag för att spara liv. · Startpunkten för härarna i varje delslag är Återupplivningspunkten eller erövrad punkt. · Flaggor och baser får ej flyttas. · Segern går till den sidan som är själv i basen eller själv håller/kan på knä sträcka sig till flaggan. Om ej klart vid tidens slut slåss endast de som kan vinna vidare. Borgen/flaggan stängs och striden fortsätter. · Riddare och krönta kämpar är värda 1 extra poäng att döda. Steg 1 15 minuter Basen 5 p 1 Bas (Halmborg) 5 min paus Steg 2 15 minuter Basen 2 p 1 Bas Flaggan 5 p 1 Flagga vid stenborgen 10 min paus Steg 3 20 minuter Basen 1 p 1 Flagga vid stenborgen Borgflaggan 3 p 1 Flagga lite in i skogen Skogflaggan 5 p 10 min paus Steg 4 30 minuter Basen 1 p 1 Flagga vid stenborgen Borgflaggan 2 p 1 Flagga lite in i skogen Skogflaggan 3 p 1 Flagga i övre NW-Kanten Kantflaggan 5 p 20 min paus Slag 2 - Portslag 3 * Portslag 3 * 3 p 10 min paus Slag 3 - Gisslandramat 20 minuter · Bågskyttar OK. · Gisslan skall föras ut ur borgområdet · Förlorande (!) sidan i portslagets ledare tas som gisslan av den segrande sidan. Hålls fånge i källaren. · Gisslan får inga vapen och blir av med ett ben. · Gisslan kan släppas lös genom att en pinne (med burk om möjligt) slås omkull. Pinnen står vid en källarglugg. · Vapnen placeras i ett annat rum och kan endast vidröras av fritagen gisslan. · Får gisslanledaren tag i sina vapen, får han också tillbaka sitt skadade ben. Gisslansidan Gisslan befriad med vapen 10 p Gisslan befriad utan vapen 5 p Kidnapparna Gisslan dödad när den inte har vapen - 7 p (minuspoäng) Gisslan dödar när den fått tag i vapen 5 p Gisslan ej befriad under slagtiden 10 p